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December 4, 2011 at 5:22 am #742166
kootchmanMemberIf you fill up your car anywhere in the PNW Sonoma … you are a loyal Exxon customer. Ya think those tankers going to the Anacortes refinery are special ones? The crap is sold by the tonnes, barged to any refinery anywhere, and then resold once cracked to any distributor anywhere. The same stuff is re-labeled whatever gas station it goes to. Follow a distribution tanker some day…. see how many different places it stops.
December 4, 2011 at 6:03 am #742167
SonomaParticipantYou might be right about the oil, Kootchie-Koo, but I rarely have to visit a gas station regardless. Re the Gingrinch-stole-Christmas nonsense, thank you for the link. The opinion column was by Newt’s daughter. And one of the commenters was most interesting:
Newt’s ex-wife told the Washington Post in a Jan. 3, 1985, profile:
“He walked out in the spring of 1980 and I returned to Georgia. By September, I went into the hospital for my third surgery. The two girls came to see me, and said Daddy is downstairs and could he come up? When he got there, he wanted to discuss the terms of the divorce while I was recovering from the surgery … To say I gave up a lot for the marriage is the understatement of the year.”
And whether it’s true or not, whether Newt lizard cheated on his cancerous wife or not, he’s still a glaring example of a sleazy oleaginous politician.
Oh, and from other postings, I am happy that your “handle” Kootch has other, more wholesome meanings besides the naughty one (as vividly defined in the Urban Dictionary).
December 5, 2011 at 9:30 am #742168
HMC RichParticipantSonoma,
Just say you don’t like Gingrich and find the “facts” to back it up. His first wife was not cancer ridden, she had a benign tumor.
December 5, 2011 at 9:37 am #742169
HMC RichParticipantWhy don’t you guys go ahead and boycott some of those businesses.
I will enjoy the peace and quiet when I need to shop at those businesses.
In fact, I find many of you on the left very snobbish at times. (As I have also noticed snobbery on the right). You guys are very humorous to listen to sometimes.
December 5, 2011 at 11:04 am #742170
JanSParticipantre: Newt Gingrich’s marriages, if anyone cares: at bottom of page there are links to the timelines of each marriage. Marriage #1..he cornered his wife, Jackie, in her hospital room where she was recovering from uterine cancer surgery to talk about divorce. Marriage #2..he left her when she was diagnosed with a condition that could lead to MS…and both times it was for another woman who he was having an affair with…
December 5, 2011 at 2:12 pm #742171
redblackParticipantIn fact, I find many of you on the left very snobbish at times.
oh. i’m sorry.
You guys are very humorous to listen to sometimes.
and you guys can be very condescending and dismissive of liberals. most of the time you just call us moonbats or socialists and move on without engaging in any meaningful discussion or understanding the reason for our political leanings.
i like to think that i at least show you guys the courtesy of discussing philosophical, core issues.
back to the boycott topic, the bigger picture is that i can spend or not spend my money wherever i see fit for whatever reason i choose. that’s the free market at work. that’s freedom of choice.
boycott? not so much. but if i have the choice between home depot and junction true value, i’ll take the latter. alki lumber? those guys are obviously dino rossi supporters, but they’re a local business, and i’d rather buy lumber from them than the corporate big box.
nothing wrong with shunning the big retailers. doing so helps local businesses.
back to the OT, i believe most les schwab stores are franchised – at least the one in ballard is. so there are two layers of businesses to “boycott” there.
actually, there are three – if you don’t like buying chinese rubber.
December 5, 2011 at 3:50 pm #742172
JoBParticipantredblack…
it was the mention of chinese rubber more than anything that has me investigating my options..
HMCRich…
so now it’s snobbish to support businesses that make a contribution to your community?
because that is what you are doing when you vote with your pocketbook…
December 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm #742173
KenParticipantThe way campaign finance laws are written, employees of companies large and small have to list their employer on their campaign contributions over 200.00.
This is the origin of some of the statistics which are used to claim a particular company is either favoring the democrats or the republicans.
When you remove employee contributions from the statistics and track corporate donations to PACS, spending on lobbyists and advertising bought as bribes on corporate TV networks and cable companies (those ads for companies that don’t sell anything to regular people ie Boeing, Cargill, Archer Danials Midland…) Then you see which companies are actually involved in the struggle to return us to feudalism with the corporation as the aristocracy.
Local companies have sometimes labeled themselves as wingnut to my satisfaction by the campaign signs they put up and the crazy paint jobs with Hitler quotes on their box vans :)
I take care not to leave any dollars at these locations.
December 5, 2011 at 8:15 pm #742174
CaitParticipanthttp://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/alan-schwab.asp?cycle=10
This is a website showing that the director of Les Schwab properties has only donated one time to one republican candidate in 2005 in the amount of $2,400. Walden for Congress. I’m not sure how accurrate this is, but it’s hardly something to boycott over. If it was $2,400 one time to one candidate that’s hardly a overarching Republican bias that I am going to concern myself with. As Christopher said that’s not in any way worth putting people out of work for especially since, IMHO they are the best in the business and their customer service is impeccable.
There are a lot of Democrats in Seattle and if we all banded together to put every Republican out of business, we would be in a really tough spot, I can tell you that much. And I’m sorry, I don’t want to live in a monopoly and that’s what I’d be saying with my money if I assessed down to the nth degree what every political movement of my favorite companies were. Sure, you shouldn’t put money into businesses that spend GOBS of money on political campaigns or that use little amounts of money to fund violations against human rights (and don’t make the mistake of reading that as “Republican” because I don’t have time for why I think that conversation is vicsiouly wrong.) This knee-jerk kind of thinking (not to mention action) is what is polarizing and crippling us as a government.
Boycotting is great and it sends a great, powerful message – but step back and think about how far you want to take it.
December 5, 2011 at 8:17 pm #742175
CaitParticipantAnd CJB – your comment about political masturbation makes me want to construct a trophy for you that heralds your accomplishment of winning the internet. I’ve had a hard time explaining that very thing on here so thanks for putting your finger on it… no pun intended. OK maybe some pun intended.
December 5, 2011 at 8:29 pm #742176
JanSParticipantso “political masturbation”…when community members actually talk about their differences? Even if it doesn’t change a mind? Imagine if we all kept quiet, and never discussed anything. Maybe that one conversation that maybe might change a mind wouldn’t ever happen. Here’s my thoughts on that. If you don’t want to join in, don’t. Life is about choices. But don’t denigrate those who do. And that applies to many things in life. Just MHO
December 5, 2011 at 9:19 pm #742177
CaitParticipantI’m not going to try to put words in anyone’s mouth here but I think we all know that no one is referring to productive or meaningful conversations as political masturbation, Jan. You also know me well enough to know that already so I don’t know why that was necessary.
We’re not having a conversation here about changing minds, we’re talking about boycotting a business for (in my opinion) little to no reason based on misguided information. That has been cleared up. If we want to have a discussion about boycotting and it’s benefits, I say do it – but let’s make it separate from a conversation about a specific business so people don’t have to wade through 33 comments (and may not bother) to figure out if they should do it because my fear is that some people won’t and will think “Oh no, they’re Republican supporters” the next time they drive by and take business elsewhere when that’s not the case.
December 5, 2011 at 9:48 pm #742178
JustSarahParticipantI agree completely with Cait. I didn’t have a chance to return to this thread through the rest of the weekend, but her posts eloquently sum up what was bothering me about this conversation. It started with a lazy assumption and is now likely to influence people’s perceptions of Les Schwab, consciously or subconsciously. It’s unfair.
And yes, I know the world’s not fair, but letting lazy connections grow to conjecture is just irresponsible.
December 5, 2011 at 10:01 pm #742179
2 Much WhineParticipantHey @cbraley12, your name has the word “BRA” implanted firmly inside it and I don’t like the lack of research you did jumping from Charles Schwab to Les Schwab. So to protest that flagrant violation of journalistic internet integrity I propose most (not all) women should stop wearing bras! Who’s with me on this?
December 5, 2011 at 11:07 pm #742180
DBPMemberI’m with you too, 2.
Down with flagrant journalistic integrity!
Down with implanting secret messages inside bras!
(Er . . . I mean up.)
UP with messages in bras!!!
December 5, 2011 at 11:50 pm #742181
2 Much WhineParticipantHey DBP (formerly DP), So what do you think about this dress attire?

Hint: the correct response needs to include “I really like the tattoo but I also like the tutu too, 2”
December 6, 2011 at 1:48 am #742182
DBPMemberWhat the hex!? The girl is awesome. But the tattoo looks like one of those fiends from “Mars Attacks.”

So I guess my answer is that I don’t like the tattoo, 2. But were you to infer, therefore, that I didn’t like the tutu, too, I’d go: “Not true! I do TOO like the tutu, 2.”
December 6, 2011 at 3:53 am #742183
kootchmanMemberSonoma… old news, oft asked, oft answered, ad nauseum. Your sharp eye has many predecessors. WS’ites, garbed and bedecked with Chinese petro synthetic clothing, whilst stalking the urban landscape with shoes of similar origin, Target WalMart, KMart..etc. So Job, we added 180K seasonal workers for 60 days..wonder how many Chinese jobs we “supported” in doing so.? The refrain… from Bille Dee.. ” walking contradiction, partly truth, and partly fiction”… True Value has as much cheap crap as Hopeless Depot. In fact, even cheaper crap.
December 6, 2011 at 10:15 am #742184
JanSParticipantyeah, but buying the crap at True Value puts money into local business, more local than HD, anyway…..lol..
December 6, 2011 at 7:23 pm #742185
JoBParticipant2MuchWhine…
like all aspirations..
yours is based on too much fantasy…
have you seen the size and shape of construction required to keep what gravity calls … upright?
Trust me..
you are absolutely tickled that i wear a bra.
December 6, 2011 at 7:37 pm #742186
JoBParticipantkootch…
you wear me out..
not down..
just wishing for a tropical vacation somewhere
had to settle for painting my toes:(
i buy local.. at least when i can
contributing to the American economy and American jobs
Cait…
yes, there are some who jump to conclusions …
but there are also bigger questions about how the money we spend on products is used to create laws that favor corporations or single groups of individuals over others.
i boycotted Target for a year because of the contributions their CEO made on their behalf to a political organization that actively targets gays.
When my personal boycott ended, i found i simply hadn’t missed popping into Target first. Target is now my last stop if i can’t find what i want elsewhere.
I stopped shopping Whole Foods for similar reasons. I can’t support a holistic business that doesn’t treat it’s employees holistically.
I don’t miss them much either. I do stop at the one on Elliot for a healthy snack for the pups when i am in the neighborhood.. but I don’t regularly shop there.
I chose Home Base (?) and now Lowes over Home Depot for the same sort of reasons… and find myself shopping True Value or McClendons more often than not as a result.
Where you spend your money does matter when that money is used to undermine equality or democracy.
And.. if you can spend it where it rolls right back into your local economy.. all the better.
every day i get to vote.. with my wallet.
i try to make those votes count.
December 6, 2011 at 9:04 pm #742187
DBPMemberJoB n’ kootch . . .
STOP HI-JACKING THIS THREAD!!!
It’s not about politics anymore, okay?
It’s about more pressing issues . . .
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December 6, 2011 at 9:17 pm #742188
2 Much WhineParticipantJoB, I said “most (not all) women” should stop wearing bras. Imagine the backlash if I said “most women (not JoB)” should stop wearing bras. I’d be a no good troll if I said that. . . . the term “most” can be 50.1% and I’ll stick with that. I think it’s that old adage that goes something like “a woman sees one naked man and feels like she’s seen them all whereas a man sees one naked woman and feels like he wants to see them all.”
December 7, 2011 at 1:23 am #742189
BostonmanMemberDream girls also keeps the money in the local economy. Much nicer than traveling to Vegas. Plus, they don’t wear bras
December 7, 2011 at 3:56 am #742190
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