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December 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm #601459
cbraley12MemberJust read in Mother Jones that Charles “Chuck” Schwab is a huge donor to the Republican party and its candidates—is this the same as Les Schwab, and should there be a boycott of their new store on Fauntleroy and Alaska?
December 2, 2011 at 5:06 pm #742142
cjboffoliParticipantSo the idea is to boycott people with whom we have a differing opinion? Mr. Schwab has just as much right as I do to support any candidates he wishes and to vote the way he sees fit.
December 2, 2011 at 5:09 pm #742143
DBPMemberCharles Schwab sells stocks.
Les Schwab sold tires.
Les Schwab died in 2003, so if he’s still donating to the Republicans, he’s probably violating some campaign contributions law.
Unless there’s such a thing as corpse-orate personhood.
December 2, 2011 at 5:15 pm #742144
KBearParticipantBut yes, Christopher, that’s exactly the point of boycotts.
December 2, 2011 at 5:25 pm #742145
brewParticipantGuess you should also boycott Home Depot, UPS, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Exxon/Mobil etc.. as they all lean republican in their donations.
December 2, 2011 at 5:33 pm #742146
cjboffoliParticipantKBear: Well maybe that’s the INTENTION of boycotts. But often they can have opposite consequences. It just seems too simplistic to me, as does the implication that Republicans are automatically bad and Democrats are automatically good. I recognize how that idea provides the fodder for a lot of political masturbation on the West Seattle Blog Forums. But this militant adhesion to labels is what is paralyzing the legislative engine of our country.
December 2, 2011 at 5:47 pm #742147
365StairsParticipantThe rush to boycott something / someplace based on unresearched facts…
Awesome.
Not good.
December 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm #742148
skeeterParticipantAlmost every big company gives money to both Republicans and Democrats. Sure – Republicans often get more because their interests line up more closely. But I would be shocked if Charles Schwab doesn’t give substantial amounts of money to Democrats as well. But I’m too lazy to check.
Why would anyone boycott a business just because the business donates money to a political party? Would you also not associate with your neighbors if you learned they had different policital beliefs than you?
December 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm #742149
BostonmanMemberLol Skeeter, if that were true I wouldn’t be friends with any of my neighbors. Fortunatly we are all smart enough to not let something like that dictate who we are friends with. In fact I would say about 90% of my friends lean Democratic but thats ok. They aren’t my friends because of how they vote.
December 2, 2011 at 8:19 pm #742150
JanSParticipantso…Bostonman…are you saying that not all Dems are…evil? lol…I keep telling Kootch that, but it’s not making an impression ;-)
December 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm #742151
KBearParticipantActually, Christopher, I agree that oversimplification and disdain for nuance is a major problem in our political system. But isn’t that what you are doing when you dismiss the idea of boycotts in general just because the original poster’s idea doesn’t make any sense? Obviously a boycott needs to be well-targeted and widely supported in order to succeed, but not buying stuff from someone with whose politics or policies you (and many others) disagree is precisely how boycotts work.
December 2, 2011 at 10:07 pm #742152
cjboffoliParticipantKBear: Consider this scenario: you boycott a local business and call on your friends to do the same and (if it works) the fortunes of that business decline and the business owner has to fire his staff of workers (some or all of which might be Democrats who support the same political agenda you do). And you’ve decreased local tax revenue in your own neighborhood while probably having no effect at all on the vote of the business owner you were targeting. Would you call that a job well done?
December 2, 2011 at 11:07 pm #742153
JanSParticipantand think about it..there are some people out there who do business with people just because of what it’s perceived that they believe in..put a fishy on it, along with the letters PTL…works the same way..so why not do it in reverse? I don’t go to a local restaurant simply because of the political beliefs of the owner. Is it affecting his business? Nope. Is it sticking to my beliefs…and guns…yes. My choice.
December 2, 2011 at 11:26 pm #742154
BostonmanMemberEvil? probably not. Maybe a little off kilter though. Plus they drink my beer
December 2, 2011 at 11:38 pm #742155
JanSParticipantlol…yum…beer…
December 3, 2011 at 12:11 am #742156
cbraley12MemberThanks for the clarification and discussion everyone–I had a question and an idea, and I appreciate the information I received. I often make choices about how and where I spend my money and time dependent upon my needs and values. It is one way I have of exercising my political power and influencing the changes I wish for our society. The present group of Republican presidential candidates do not represent my values or interests, nor do the Repubican representatives in Congress.
December 3, 2011 at 3:41 am #742157
JoBParticipantcbraley12
i too believe in putting my money where my mouth is… which includes making choices about where I spend my money based on a company’s political contributions.
the only way to speak to businesses is through your purchases.
i shall cry real tears if Les Schwab is making major donations to the Republican party…
as giving them up would be a real sacrifice.
but for the most part.. i haven’t really missed any of the stores i have crossed off my favored list yet.
i still shop at some of them occassionally,
but only if i can’t find what i want easily elsewhere.
December 3, 2011 at 6:21 pm #742158
DBPMember¶ If my neighbor intimated to me that he’d just given $10 to the Republican National Committee, I’d go: “Dude! You coulda bought a Zippy’s Deluxe and a shake with that tenner!”
¶ If my best friend told me he agreed with the Pope’s position on birth control, I’d give him a bear hug and say: “Aw . . . you big loveable idiot!”
¶ If I was eating a candy bar and someone told me the company* that made it was pushing women in developing countries to feed their babies formula instead of breast milk . . .
. . . that candy bar would turn to shit, right in my mouth.
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*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott
December 3, 2011 at 6:39 pm #742159
JoBParticipantDBP..
i find some of the positions supported by some donations from some retail outlets that reprehensible…
When i do..
i choose not to help fund those donations.
we are lucky to live where we have other retail choices
December 3, 2011 at 8:37 pm #742160
JustSarahParticipantI don’t understand how the OP’s random assumption that Charles Schwab is the same as Les Schwab is just being glossed over here. People need to do at least a teensy bit of research before inviting others to boycott. OP, if you had just searched on Google for “Charles Schwab” you would have quickly learned that no, he and Les Schwab are/were not one and the same. I have no ideal was Les Schwab’s political leanings were, for the record.
And for what it’s worth, Les Schwab died in 2007, not 2003.
December 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm #742161
JanSParticipantpost #3..DBP states that Charles Schwab sells stock…Les Schwab sells tires. What was overlooked?
December 4, 2011 at 12:32 am #742162
kootchmanMemberI love Courtesy Tire. They have been around this community a long time. They do good things. They are honest. Are they republican? Don’t know. I patronize them cause I like em’. Would I blow them off if they were Democrats? Nope. I do suspect though that IF LES (not Charles) Schwab was alive he would be a republican…. most business persons are, .. I wouldn’t shop there for that reason. Say JoB… god forbid.. but should ya need a heart by-pass… gonna politically credential your surgeon? Ha ha … my advice? Take the best one. BTY Les Schwab… donates to republican 75% of the time.based on this little sampling link..http://www.followthemoney.org/database/topcontributor.phtml?u=13668&y=2008 .. and imports Chinese tires.. lots and lots and lots of Chinese tires.
December 4, 2011 at 3:35 am #742163
SonomaParticipantHey, some of my best friends and professional associates are Republicans, and are even pretty nice once you get to know them. They don’t even look all that different. Nonetheless, some corporations are just vile, and I would never buy from Exxon-Mobile, ever since the oil spill, or use a bank like BoA or Chase. Nor would I “buy” any lies from a Republican like Newt “The Grinch” Gingrich, who screwed around on his wife while she was dying on cancer. Of course, John Edwards was no better. Herman Cain (un-abel) is only a little better in his behavior.
December 4, 2011 at 4:25 am #742164
JoBParticipantkootch…
i AM going to have to re-examine my loyalty to Les Schwab tires…
which makes me really really unhappy…
what i learn will determine whether i continue to do business with them
December 4, 2011 at 5:15 am #742165
kootchmanMemberJob…Don’t forget they gave out antibiotic laced beef raised in inhumane , confined stockyards and force fed genetically modified corn to fatten em’ up. ha ha ha… Sonoma? His wife wasn’t dying of cancer, she is doing just fine. It’s an urban myth. She asked for the divorce long before she went into the hospital with a non-malignant tumor… not that it makes a difference. Course, if you are a family member and know ALL the dynamics of that marriage, we are all ears here. Maybe she was an insufferable witch to live with, or, a cookies baking Mary Poppins.. but I wasn’t there. Funny how some liberal rags are still trying to make the myth more than the reality. First hand accounts are better sources.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/jackie-gingrich-cushman/setting-the-record-straight.html
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