Bound to be a big crowd: Public hearing on city gun proposal

Not in West Seattle but with all the city-owned parkland etc. around here, certainly relevant – the city’s just set a public hearing for the proposed rule restricting guns on city-owned property – read on for the full announcement (including a new webpage through which you can send written comments):

The city of Seattle has scheduled a public hearing on a
proposed administrative rule to restrict firearms on city-owned
property.

The hearing will be held on Dec. 15, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. at Seattle City
Hall, 600 Fourth Avenue, with sign-in beginning at 5:30 p.m. The Bertha
Knight Landes room is accessible from the building’s Fifth Avenue
entrance. Residents unable to attend may also submit written comments
at: www.seattle.gov/firearmsrule

Following a shooting that injured three people at the Folklife Festival
on May 24 of this year, Mayor Greg Nickels directed all city of Seattle
departments to study the adoption and enforcement of policies, rules and
contractual agreements which would prohibit the possession of dangerous
weapons, including firearms, on city property. The suspect in the
Folklife shooting had a concealed weapons permit, despite a history of
drug abuse and mental health problems.

“From increasing the number of patrol officers on our streets, to our
Youth Violence Prevention Initiative, we’re addressing public safety
issues from all directions. Common-sense gun rules are just one more way
to protect our workers, residents, families and children,” said
Nickels.

The proposed rule does not include any specific criminal or civil
penalties, but a person refusing to comply with the rule would be
subject to citation or arrest for criminal trespass.

The proposed rule would not apply to:

● City streets and public sidewalks, except when they are being used
for non-transportation purposes such as special events. The rule does
apply to sidewalks and other walkways located within city parks.
● Motor vehicle parking garages and parking lots.
● City property leased and occupied for residential purposes.
● City-owned property that is located outside the state of
Washington.
● The Roger Dahl Rifle Training Range.

To address the safety of visitors, including families and children, at
city-owned properties, the city of Seattle is also implementing a
firearms policy which is applicable to permits, leases and other
contractual agreements for the use of city property. Under its policy,
the city would lease, rent or permit the use of city property to only
those parties who prohibit all persons, except law enforcement officers,
from possessing firearms on leased city premises. To prevent the
possession of firearms during an event, the city would also require
sponsors of major events to take reasonable steps, such as signage,
visual inspections, safe storage for lawful firearms, etc. The city
would also permit departments to add gun-free terms to most leases and
agreements.

State law allows private property owners to prohibit the presence of
firearms on their property. As a property owner, the city has rules at
Seattle Center and most facilities such as City Hall, prohibiting
firearms unless a person has a concealed weapons permit. Organizations
that lease Key Arena also have the ability to prohibit firearms in the
facility. In addition to other prohibitions, state law prohibits
firearms at schools, jails and courthouses.

8 Replies to "Bound to be a big crowd: Public hearing on city gun proposal"

  • westello November 21, 2008 (5:23 pm)

    Fine by me if people want their legally owned and licensed guns. One caveat, though; if anything happens with your gun, you WILL be held accountable. I don’t care if it was an accident, you thought the safety was on, thought no bullets in it, etc. You want to have a gun, then you will have to accept responsibility for whatever happens (short of being robbed of the gun). Don’t care if it’s your kid who gets hurt or killed.

    You want to have guns? Then you need to accept that you will be held responsible for what happens with the gun in your possession.

    That’s where the Mayor should go with his law. It’s more likely to pass than no guns on city property.

  • Christian November 21, 2008 (5:32 pm)

    i dont know about this. usually when shootings happen they are with stolen or unregistered weapons anyways so I personally think this is another huge waste of time by Greg Nickels. dont punish the responsible gun owners.

  • rampinrodney November 21, 2008 (7:38 pm)

    Oh, yes, guns again! I outgrew them when I was a young cowboy in the 1950s. Of course, they were toy six-shooters with red rolls of caps at that time.. It was sort of neat to scrape the caps with your fingernails and hear the fizzle. Guns were an important part of my life, and doggone it, anyone that wishes to restrict them is un-American, and probably a socialist, or (gasp) maybe even a communist.

  • DK November 21, 2008 (8:14 pm)

    Interesting topic…just remember….guns kill people like spoons make people fat.

    Westello, you seem to be a bit draconian in your approach to punishing gun owners. Do you feel the same way with car owners?? You know, like when a car owner runs over a bicyclist because the driver was distracted for whatever reason, or a drunk driver who hits a family. Cars are also deadly weapons…

  • thee November 21, 2008 (8:52 pm)

    nickels…

    -thee

  • rampinrodney November 21, 2008 (10:21 pm)

    Yeah DK, except the purpose of guns is generally to kill or injure; unless you like to cuddle or sleep with them. A car is generally meant to transport one, though some people like to wax them. A spoon’s purpose is generally meant to feed one….Same, lame, tired excuse by gun freaks trying to gloss over the fact that a gun’s main reason for existence is to maim or kill. But, by golly, if you take them away from us gun lovers, only the criminals will have guns, eh??And remember, this home is protected by Smith&Wesson. Yeah, baby!

  • CK December 3, 2008 (11:36 am)

    Remember, guns are also meant to protect oneself, family and the innocent.

    Every gun is always loaded
    Never aim a weapon at something you are not willing to destroy
    Know your target and what lies beyond it

    Folklife idiot did not follow these rules.

    End of story

  • AndrewsDad December 5, 2008 (12:56 pm)

    The logic behind this ban is absurd. First, the incident that started this, the shooting at folklife was the first and only shooting in 37 years and resulted in no fatalities. I bet “gun free zones” like Southcenter or the UW would love a record like that. Gun free zones simply disarm the law abiding citizen and let the criminals know there will be no resistance. We need to start calling them what they are, a “self defense free zone” for us law abiding citizens and a “target rich environment” to criminals. Second, from what I understand, the shooter should not have had a carry permit. So the problem was with issueing permits yet the solution is to ban all guns? How about we fix the problem instead of punishing law abiding citizens? How would this solution have stopped the shooting. You know, the only one at folklife in 37 years and still no fatalities.

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