VIDEO: Here’s what happened when City Council Transportation Committee heard/talked about West Seattle (and Ballard) light rail

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That’s the Seattle Channel recording of the meeting during which the City Council’s Transportation Committee, chaired by District 1 Councilmember Rob Saka, got an update on the Sound Transit projects intended to bring light rail to West Seattle in 2032 and Ballard in 2039. Briefers were two managers from Sound Transit and members of the city team that’s involved with various aspects of the projects (one noted that more than 20 city departments are involved in one way or another).

Toplines included Saka saying he had sent a letter to Sound Transit yesterday (we requested a copy and just received it) but also describing himself as a “proud and enthusiastic supporter” of the projects. Minutes later in the public-comment section, Jordan Crawley of the Alki Beach Academy day care/preschool, one of the dozens of West Seattle businesses facing displacement because of the project, told the council that while their predecessors had worked closely with him and others, these councilmembers didn’t seem interested: “We don’t need letters of support or kind words, we need action.” (Crawley also clarified that he too supports the projects, but businesses facing displacement need more championing from the city.)

When Sound Transit’s Brad Owen and Jason Hampton led their briefing (here’s the slide deck), money was a big part of the discussion. Saka asked them to clearly state the current estimated cost for the West Seattle extension (around $7 billion) compared to the previous estimate ($4 billion). What share of that cost would the city have to foot? Saka asked. The ST reps said the city’s contribution was primarily two-fold – the plan to speed up permitting would save time, and time is money for ST; there had been talk (as reported a few years back) of “third-party funding” to help cover the costs of preferred plans – for example, tunneling into The Junction rather than elevated. What would that look like? they were asked. “Various” possibilities was the answer – some of which “might require voter approval.” All this is expected to come into clearer view this fall.

The city team (here’s their slide deck), in addition to noting the breadth of city involvement, gave some West Seattle examples of what they’re involved with, such as planning Pigeon Point environmental mitigation (the preferred alternative for the light-rail-only Duwamish River bridge would cut into the forested face of the point).

SUPPLEMENTAL READING: City Council central staff’s memo for today’s meeting delves more deeply into some of the issues.

47 Replies to "VIDEO: Here's what happened when City Council Transportation Committee heard/talked about West Seattle (and Ballard) light rail"

  • West Marge March 18, 2025 (7:11 pm)

    7 billion to save the WS elite the 3.5 miles to SoDo in 10 years? Yeah, the elite. This is pulling transportation away from Delridge and creating a transportation desert to go along with the food desert Delridge has been contending with for decades.

  • Scarlett March 18, 2025 (7:37 pm)

    This absurd monstrosity will be well over $10 billion by the time it is birthed. As to the displaced business owners who publicly claim they support light rail, I would take some of that will a large grain of salt, after all, businesses are very sensitive to how the public – and potential customers – views them.   

  • Arbor Heights Resident March 18, 2025 (8:02 pm)

    It’s really great to see civic leaders taking cost concerns seriously while also pushing forward with the project. They need to take whatever cost-saving measures they can and make WSLE happen as quickly as possible. Although it’s highly likely that the FTA decision will be “you get no funding because you’re in a blue state”, so we’ll have to see if things shake out well for us. Otherwise we’ll have the awful scenario where we just keep paying for the Link forever, without actually getting a connection to it.

  • Niko March 18, 2025 (8:02 pm)

    This is an absolutely absurd and overpriced project. Defund sound transit

  • Derek March 18, 2025 (9:40 pm)

    See the usuals showed up….sorry your side lost handedly in any transit related vote. “Overpriced” is relying more on polluting auto plants for ever and ever with finite resources.

    • Rob March 19, 2025 (5:31 am)

      Hey Derek ever wonder what the carbon foot print will be to build this thing? I

    • Canton March 19, 2025 (6:28 am)

      Oh no,… People have opinions!!… People can’t have independent thoughts…

      • Arbor Heights Resident March 19, 2025 (1:28 pm)

        Derek did not say you aren’t allowed to have independent thoughts. What an absurd accusation.

  • THOMAS March 19, 2025 (4:05 am)

    waste of money and every year it cost more and it wont stop we dont need it here in West Seattle cancel it and return the tax payer money

  • Robert m March 19, 2025 (7:10 am)

    As much as I would love to have rail to go downtown, I still think there’s a limit to how much should be spent.  $10 billion dollars is enough to build a lot of other infrastructure, housing, and social services like drug/mental treatment.  

    • Platypus March 19, 2025 (9:08 am)

      In theory Robert, you are correct, however this money can literally not be spent on anything but sound transit because of the vote. If this money doesn’t get spend here, this same money will be spent on the other train stations. Saying we should use it for some completely other purpose is disingenuous. It would be like saying if you stopped paying your mortgage you could buy food for poor children, technically true, but irrelevant.

    • Christopher B. March 19, 2025 (9:39 am)

      What about the infinite billions that go into building and maintaining car infrastructure? And not just the physical costs of roadways (to which a LOT of space is devoted) but absolutely everything that supports private vehicles (fueling, maintenance, the insurance industry, medical costs for injuries and the burdens to the local courts from accidents and DUI crimes,  etc.). That’s not even to mention the costs to the environment and to wildlife from pollution which are immeasurable but scarcely considered because people have a hard time comprehending harm they can’t easily see. Then there are the opportunity costs in time and productivity that are expended as people and goods crawl in traffic. I really wish people were more thoughtful in considering the entire picture of costs related to private cars when tabulating  whether or not light rail pencils.  The money we collectively put into our car-centric transportation system makes $10 billion look like pocket change lost in the sofa cushions.

    • Kadoo March 20, 2025 (7:27 am)

      Sadly, light rail won’t go downtown but to Sodo. The C line will no longer go downtown, but get people from West Seattle to Sodo. 

      • Jake March 20, 2025 (8:38 am)

        That is only temporary. Why be misleading?

      • walkerws March 20, 2025 (9:01 am)

        Every light rail/subway system in the world has transfers. To say that it goes just to SoDo is disingenuous and exposes your argument as either poorly informed or malicious.

      • BlairJ March 20, 2025 (9:15 am)

        Buses from West Seattle will continue to go downtown until the light rail line toward Ballard begins operation, at which time the West Seattle light rail line will go all the way to Lynnwood, and eventually to Everett.

        • WSB March 20, 2025 (9:46 am)

          It was reiterated at this meeting that the RapidRides into downtown will continue until the Ballard extension opens (current timeline 2039).

  • AlkiBean March 19, 2025 (8:34 am)

    The cost is absurd and the likely end of federal support from FTA  to pay for most of this is going to kill the project. Thankfully we still have options to get off the island but the Link extensions to West Seattle and Ballard are probably not going to happen.

    • ReadyForRail March 19, 2025 (8:55 am)

      Yes we have options but they keep getting squeezed, e.g. cutting more Metro routes and reducing lanes on *well-travelled* roads that help level load the population burden that commutes out of WS. 

    • k March 19, 2025 (10:01 am)

      Sound Transit was never relying on federal funds to pay for the project.  There was a levy, and hope for federal assistance.  There was never, under any administration, a guarantee of funding from the federal government.  Also West Seattle is not an island.  White Center is real.

  • Scarlett March 19, 2025 (9:30 am)

    The notion that light rail is going to be a paradigm shift in public transportation, zipping people around the region, like some magic carpet, is pure fantasy.   It’s the same fantasy that has been peddled to other cities such as Sacramento and Phoenix.  You wonder what city is the next stop for the Great Light Rail Scam when they pull up stakes in Seattle.     

    • Bbron March 19, 2025 (12:23 pm)

      4th busiest system in North America and only been at it 15 years 🤷‍♂️

      • Scarlett March 19, 2025 (4:25 pm)

        You missed the point, Bron.  Light rail is simply siphoning off public transportation riders that previously would take bus transit and grabbing some of the new riders, who likewise would take bus transit:  It’s not increasing access to public transportation.  

        • Bbron March 19, 2025 (10:08 pm)

          your proof? combined ridership data doesn’t show a “swap” of trips going between Link and Metro; it shows consistent overall growth in transit usage.

          • Scarlett March 20, 2025 (11:12 am)

            Bron: And…..?  Keep going with that line of thought and what conclusions can you reasonably draw?  That people continue to take bus transit, despite the complaints about safety, and the numbers are increasing.  So, if people have shown a willingness to use bus transit, the next logical question is:  Why are we dropping, at the least, $7 billion (7,000,000,000) on redundant infrastructure – pork – when an expansion of bus transit will do the job well into the foreseeable future for a fraction of the cost?   

          • Bbron March 20, 2025 (4:29 pm)

            Link ridership is growing at a faster rate than Metro ridership. following your logic of expanding the service which people are using more despite troubles, light rail would be the focus, not Metro.

    • Arbor Heights Resident March 19, 2025 (1:31 pm)

      It has already been a paradigm shift elsewhere in the region. It’s interesting to me that you continue to pretend that the Link is ineffective and untested when it’s so heavily used.

      • Scarlett March 19, 2025 (4:37 pm)

        A “paradigm shift”  isn’t grotesquely expensive, redundant public insfrastructure that simply siphons off current  and future riders from bus transit, and does not increase access to public transportation.  Light rail could disappear tomorrow and after a few adjustments, it would be hardly missed.      

        • Bbron March 19, 2025 (10:11 pm)

          It’s always hilarious seeing you wheel out the “of Link disappeared tomorrow” idea because as a near daily light rail rider there’s no way surface streets would handle the amount of folks going thru the DT tunnels. you aren’t required to comment on things you don’t have experience with.

        • K March 20, 2025 (6:59 am)

          Anyone else notice how conspicuously absent Scarlett and the other anti-light rail activists are in the threads about Metro changes and route reductions?  Especially since their “informed and educated” stance has always been that buses everywhere will save us?  Metro is the one reducing bus routes, not Sound Transit.  The best chance of getting Metro service back into parts of West Seattle that have less frequent transit now is to have light rail alleviate pressure on Metro’s system.  It’s an inconvenient truth for you guys, but Metro themselves has said they can’t provide the coaches and run frequency you keep promising.

          • Scarlett March 20, 2025 (10:55 am)

            So, not responding to a particular thread is now proof of someone’s….acquiescence or unconcern?  This habit of monitoring people’s comment threads is really creepy and, sorry to say, very Seattle.  By the way, I have contacted Metro and let them know, though its not your concern, frankly.  

          • Scarlett March 20, 2025 (11:41 am)

            I didn’t realize I had to opine on every thread, K, or be accused of being indifferent or – gasp! – a hypocrite.   A little odd that you’re monitoring my comments that closely.  I have contacted Metro because I do take the 56 on a fairly regular basis and the early morning routes are indeed packed with standing room only at times.  Maybe you and other transportation advocates should do the same and determine whether these cuts in service are justified…?  By the way,  light rail is useless for who depend on public transportation beyond a certain radius from a station.  What do they need to get to a station?  Bingo, Metro bus transit. 

          • walkerws March 20, 2025 (11:59 am)

            Yes, Scarlett, your not responding to a particular thread is indeed proof of your acquiescence and unconcern, especially since you seem constantly poised over your keyboard in a state of permanent vigilance waiting to comment on any light rail related thread. We are all able to take in the evidence of our own eyes and your behavior pattern is very clear.

  • wetone March 19, 2025 (11:17 am)

    Blows my mind thinking of this project at a cost of $2bil per mile. What’s the cost of Ballard line going to be ? I said this before and I’ll say it again, Seattle government and Sound Transit should be working together on these projects as current bridges in both these areas will need replacement by time these projects are most likely completed. Together they could plan/build a common corridor that incorporates all modes of transportation with-in one piece of real-estate. Walkers, bicyclist, transit, vehicles. Leaving current bridges, transportation corridors open during build-out. It would have less impact to all using /living in these areas today and during construction. People really need to look around at the many other extreme transportation projects throughout the world and the related cost to really understand how atrocious $2bil per mile really is. 

  • A March 19, 2025 (4:07 pm)

    True, Europe, for example, builds subways at least 5 times cheaper than here. But they have very high income taxes, and sales taxes of over 20%, and pay high taxes on utilities, gasoline, etc. Money has to come from somewhere to keep the society going, now that the corporations are paying not that much. All in all, this is still much better than EU (for now).

    • Scarlett March 20, 2025 (7:34 am)

      My addition to that comment is this:   Sucking money out of the economy for infrastructure boondogles like the West Seattle link means that the public is going to be more skeptical of future requests for money, perhaps for legitimate expenditures.  

      • k March 20, 2025 (10:31 am)

        Lol, if the tunnel, the Key Arena renovation, and the stadiums didn’t do it, the light rail sure as heck isn’t going to make people nervous about approving future projects.  You’re funny.

  • Eric March 20, 2025 (10:12 am)

    I just did some simple math. The population of West Seattle is approximately 59,000 people. $10 billion divided by 59,000 equals $169,000 per person. Ha ha ha ha ha

    • WSB March 20, 2025 (11:39 am)

      Correction, West Seattle’s population is ~100,000.

    • Bbron March 20, 2025 (4:32 pm)

      I don’t think they check residency when boarding the Link. It’s just as much for people leaving WS as it is for people getting to WS.

  • PDiddy March 20, 2025 (1:30 pm)

    I just dont see how this price is justifiable for such a small link. Does this report mean that if they go through its going to run along avalon? That is going to displace a lot of people.

  • Concerned March 21, 2025 (2:04 pm)

    An automobile will still be the quickest way downtown and beyond. Time is precious. All of you bloggers have some valid points for and against but are you willing to transfer 2or 3 times to ride the rail to SODO? At what cost for parking at stations, what cost for your time lost in trying to get to work or Dr. Appointments?  How many of you will actually be rail riders? I can just hear you now complaining about using a car for transportation. “ get those cars and pollution off the roads” Check all the facts ! This is a very bad decision being made by vested interests either political , monetary, or really uniformed elected officials. How about displaced people, the environment, the waste of money already spent, mess incurred in junction and beyond. A real boondoggle.

    • Rosey March 21, 2025 (3:19 pm)

      All of you bloggers have some valid points for and against but are you willing to transfer 2or 3 times to ride the rail to SODO?”………..yes? I would? I hate parking in downtown or the Seattle Center and would love more public transit options to get around the city?

  • Jake March 21, 2025 (2:37 pm)

    Can we ban the word “boondoggle” here… every time by every sockpuppet… oh no transferring! So hard! Not! And I don’t pay $95 parking… and it’s not an event, you’re still paying like $30…. you’re doing that 5-7 days a week? In 2035 it will be probably $100 to park.

  • Pigeon Point March 21, 2025 (2:51 pm)

    The ‘city team’ slide deck also links to the memo. Can someone share the updated link for their deck?  Interested what was mentioned about pigeon point.

  • Scarlett March 21, 2025 (6:02 pm)

    Take the money from ST3 that is allocated to light rail and redirect into vastly expanded bus transit throughout King County. new buses, raises for bus drivers, etc, etc..   Stop while you’re behind,  Sound Transit.   Give us someone that is really going to change the public transportation dynamic in the region.  

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