DECISION’S IN: Hearing examiner dismisses second Alki Elementary rebuild appeal

(WSB photo, past and future Alki Elementary site)

As promised, deputy Hearing Examiner Susan Drummond has issued her ruling today on the second Alki Elementary rebuild appeal, a challenge to the city decision allowing less parking than zoning requires. This time, Drummond has dismissed the appeal. We recapped the backstory here; in short, Seattle Public Schools originally proposed building the new school with no parking, though zoning required 48; the city approved that, but in response to an appeal of that approval, Drummond told the district and city to revisit the parking situation. The district came up with a new plan for 15 spaces, the city approved that too, an appeal was filed, but Drummond’s ruling today says 15 spaces enough. Her decision concludes:

… The District substantiated that the anticipated parking demand can be accommodated on site with spillover parking on the street within 800 feet of the site, while still allowing adequate on-street parking capacity. The expert testimony supporting the approach was credible. The District’s experts arrived at similar if not the same conclusions and substantiated those conclusions. As District briefing noted, opposing testimony included irreconcilable or unsupportable conclusions, and did not meet the burden of proof required to reverse the Department’s decision. The School District and Department took the parking concerns seriously and balanced the issue against educational needs to ensure the code criteria were addressed. The Department’s decision approving the parking departure should be upheld.

The appellants now have three weeks to request judicial review of the decision. We’ll be asking if they intend to do that. Construction of the school – at the site where the old Alki Elementary was demolished after last school year – is still awaiting building permits that can’t be issued until the case is closed.

65 Replies to "DECISION'S IN: Hearing examiner dismisses second Alki Elementary rebuild appeal"

  • Alki res July 1, 2024 (10:49 am)

    Has Susan ever tried to park on the streets around the school? 15 is not enough! What about accessible parking spaces? How many of those will there be? They need to provide parking for staff who need accommodation and for parents too. What about reserved spots for administrators? 15 is laughable. There is no overflow parking in the residential areas for staff or for drop off/pickup. This is unacceptable.

    • Jeff July 1, 2024 (11:02 am)

      Not everything is about parking parking parking. It’s time to force some habit changes w/r/t transportation. Many families don’t have cars or can afford them and make it work. Time for rich families to do the same adjustment. 

      • Alki res July 1, 2024 (11:42 am)

        Jeff, did you see where I mentioned accessibility? Tell me you’re privileged without a disability by trying to turn this into a rich people issue, please. Ffs. Tell me it’s easy for my disabled self to catch a bus. To take public transport. Tell me again how this is a rich people’s problem without clearly understanding your own privileged bias. Get off your soap box about cars and understand that there are people that *need them* due to circumstances in their lives that you clearly cannot (or aren’t willing to?) understand. 

        • Bbron July 1, 2024 (1:39 pm)

          car ownership is still a luxury only afforded to those who are well off even if you have a disability.  i ride the bus daily, and many folks with both physical and non-physical disabilities rely on the bus. how they get about is less important than you and other drivers with disabilities? the argument for more car infrastructure for the sake of people with disabilities is classism in sheep’s wool. if it was that simple, then we should work on designating more parking spots on streets for folks with a placard.

          • Canton July 1, 2024 (11:00 pm)

            Work your way up. Took the bus a couple years, saved and bought a hoopty. Tail pipe dragging… YOU and your ilk; will never take away our freedom of personal choice… Get over yourselves, and come back to reality. There are many ways to create compromise…

          • Bbron July 2, 2024 (6:29 am)

            @Canton and if a person is on a fixed disability income, or their disability prevents them from driving? how are they given a “freedom of personal choice”  in your world? if you want to other me and folks that support transit for all, an actual pro disability stance, then so be it. how the most government subsidize mode of transportation became synonymous with freedom will always be beyond me…

        • Pelicans July 1, 2024 (2:37 pm)

          Amen.

        • Jeff July 1, 2024 (3:28 pm)

          KC Metro is very disability friendly, not sure what you’re on about Alki Res. https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/metro/travel-options/accessible-services/access-transportation Can you tell me what is missing specifically? Or is this a concern troll again?

        • Rides the bus July 1, 2024 (3:49 pm)

          Out of the 15 spots are there not any reserved for those with disabilities? It seems like there should be. And don’t forget not everyone with a disability has the privilege to drive a car. Lots of us take the bus. 

          • KC July 2, 2024 (9:50 am)

            Hi Rides the Bus, there is one planned ADA spot in this lot included. A previous posting from March included the drawing of the spots planned. 

        • k July 1, 2024 (3:57 pm)

          I’m a parent of a disabled soon-to-be preschooler, Alki Res, and the extra parking this group is asking for will take a lot more away from her than leaving the plan as it is (or better still, reverting to no parking and increasing the size of the playground to what it was).  Disabilities don’t begin and end at walking.  Our little one cannot walk without an assistive device, but she has other needs once she’s inside the building, that consume far more of her day than the hike to the front door.  Using the mobility needs of a subset of adults to advocate against building space and improvements that help kids with motor, sensory, and developmental disabilities is just not something I will ever support.  Playgrounds are super important for gross motor as well as social-emotional development.  The atrium will be a wonderful respite for kids with mental health or sensory challenges.  Every plan for additional parking takes away from kids, and the kids with disabilities always suffer the most.  This is a building for children, and their needs need to come first.

          • BeachTeach July 1, 2024 (5:39 pm)

            I’m curious how you will be able to drop off your young learner since there is no drop off zone for dropping off a child with mobility needs. Currently, the district has deemed that parents will have to park elsewhere….. there will be no “temporary” parking to assist in ADA situations. Also, parents picking up children who might need to leave school in the middle of the day (due to illness or Dr appointments, etc) must also park elsewhere, then walk to and from their vehicle with their child…. Often in the rain…… I just think it’s unreasonable to expect parents to do that….. I’m betting that in those situations, people will just park on the street in front of the school, with their flashers on…… But of course, during this whole debate, people have stated they will certainly NOT do that. I don’t believe them. This is entirely the reason that a safe pick-up and drop-off zone was deemed necessary….. 

          • K July 3, 2024 (8:05 am)

            There seems to be a misconception that off-street parking is inherently closer than the street, and that parking lots with disabled spots are inherently closer to the door.  Neither is accurate.  The bigger your parking lot is, the further you have to walk, and in many cases we’re talking about a walk just as far as the street, if not farther.  Disabled spots, similarly, will appear nearer to the door sometimes, but are usually planned for access to ramps and other ADA accommodations rather than prioritizing access to the door (see the WWV Target, for example.  The Online Pickup spots are close to the door, the disabled spots are further away, to the west where the curb ramps are).  This is the reality of the parking lots and disabled parking that are being championed here.  Neither automatically means a shorter walk to the door, and in the case of giant parking lots, almost guarantees a longer walk to the door.  Mid-day parking has never been a concern, so there’s no need to speculate about hardship there.  As for how we work with our young learner’s disability, in our house we choose to focus on what she CAN do rather than make every conversation about what she can’t, because there is very little in the latter category.  Just because she needs assistive devices to walk doesn’t mean she doesn’t have the energy or ability to walk from the curb using them.  She does have the ability to sing and play games with her friends at recess, which is why I’m appalled that playground space was taken for parking already.  A giant parking lot doesn’t create educational or developmental opportunities, it’s just puts a bigger pad of concrete in front of the door.

        • Hmm July 2, 2024 (12:21 am)

          are you a teacher who needs one of the 15 spots due to a disability?  if not, your parking requirements are not relevant to this story. if you are a parent, stop the car and drop your child. parking not required.

      • Gary July 1, 2024 (12:18 pm)

        Jeff, have you ever lived with a physical disability? I’m afraid for some of us, it really is about parking–regardless of whether we’re rich or poor.

      • Sam July 1, 2024 (12:25 pm)

        Give me a break! 

      • CarDriver July 1, 2024 (1:08 pm)

        Jeff. I encourage you and all the other “car haters because nobody needs or should have a car “to stand outside any elementary school at start or finish time. You’ll have LOTS of opportunities to confront those “rich” parents who are dropping off or picking up their kids. Will you do it??

    • Alki resident July 1, 2024 (11:04 am)

      Fully agree. All great questions. It’ll get built and then closed, watch and wait. 

    • West Seattle Res July 1, 2024 (11:22 am)

      Totally agree with you, Alki res.  The streets around this school are wall to wall cars 24/7.

    • Curious George July 1, 2024 (1:21 pm)

      Not knowing the specifics the following is the “opinion” of my early morning coffee group.(1) poll the staff on how many vehicles will be on site.  (2) go door to door in the neighborhood and get the knowledge of the people that actually live in the adjoining area as to parking.

    • jay July 1, 2024 (8:29 pm)

      It’s only busy on the weekends and late afternoon when there are no classes. Kids aren’t going to school on Saturdays.

    • Mel July 1, 2024 (10:19 pm)

      Teachers & staff deserve parking period! Handicap spots for drop off/pick up absolutely! How about half of the spots required?? I lived across the st during my time at Alki elementary so had the pleasure of walking, which made it easy to see the nightmare at drop off in the am on the single lane rd. the school is on. It would be backed up around the corner on admiral, esp when it was raining. Ugh, sorry teachers, parents, & residents. It’s a pretty congested area, made worse by the row of townhomes built on the block & surrounding area in recent yrs.

    • B W July 2, 2024 (12:32 pm)

      Good decision. Get out of your damn cars. There are so many spots on every street everywhere. Don’t create more pavement!

  • Derp July 1, 2024 (11:07 am)

    Good, now can we get on to building the School. 

    • Pelicans July 1, 2024 (2:38 pm)

      Entitled.

      • Helt July 1, 2024 (3:34 pm)

        Nothing says entitlement like wanting to build a public school after a public process approved the design. 

  • Reed July 1, 2024 (11:12 am)

    Great to hear that reason prevailed and that this NIMBY foolishness has been squashed.

  • Alki Family July 1, 2024 (11:20 am)

    Good, please just get it going already. I live a block away from the school site, and parking really is a tale of two cities.

    * Really tough from mid-day until night time on weekends with nice weather.
    * Kinda tough from late afternoon until early evening on weekdays with nice weather.
    * Really easy (or at least “normal residential neighborhood”) parking situation outside of those two scenarios.

    Anyone who tells you that the parking in the area is an absolute nightmare is talking about trying to get to the sunny beach, especially on a summer weekend. But the truth is that roughly 100% of elementary school drop off/pick up is not impacted by Alki Beach activity.

    • neighbor July 1, 2024 (1:34 pm)

      Alki Family nailed it. And yes, we are Alki parents as well. While it’s true that you can cherry-pick days and times when parking is hard to find, that is not the majority of the time, and doesn’t tend to coincide with the school year either. And I absolutely support having those 15 spaces specifically for people with disabilities, or for school personnel to use if they’re unloading a lot of classroom materials. Having *some* parking addresses those needs while not wasting more space on car storage than is genuinely needed. Tip for future Alki parents who must drive: the best dropoff spot is the corner of 59th and Admiral. The PTA supports a crossing guard at that intersection and there are no other intersections to cross between there and the school. Once we hurry up and rebuild it, that is.

      • J July 1, 2024 (4:02 pm)

        Caution: 59th & Admiral is not always safe as a drop-off location, in my opinion. Plenty of cars rushing to work in the morning, for example, can easily miss seeing people—including little ones—in the crosswalk. Hopefully the PTA will resume lobbying efforts, started some years ago by concerned parents, to finally make that a fully functioning traffic signal for all 4 ways. People on that blind spot at the north side of 59th & Admiral often panic and recklessly zip out even while people are still in the crosswalk. Drivers could be offered patience by knowing the signal changes for them eventually. 

        • SantiagoU July 1, 2024 (7:24 pm)

          Plus one to this comment. Let’s work on making the crosswalk and general approach to the school safer to pedestrians so some children can walk to school even be dropped off a few blocks away.

  • jw July 1, 2024 (11:37 am)

    As Joni Mitchell sangDon’t it always seem to goThat you don’t know what you’ve gotTill it’s goneNow They should pave paradiseAnd put up a parking lotSPS could bring in massive money for those who visit Alki with a Parking Lot.  Bring in the business that does the Junction parking.  They can make lots of money too.

  • k July 1, 2024 (11:43 am)

    Good.  Hopefully these people are done wasting their money trying to take things away from kids to build car storage.  Just build the school already.

  • Kyle July 1, 2024 (12:15 pm)

    15 spots is a good compromise. Let’s build the school and move on.

  • Parking for staff? July 1, 2024 (12:35 pm)

    Wondering if there is parking for staff? 

    • WSB July 1, 2024 (12:49 pm)

      That’s who they expect to use the 15 spaces.

      • BeachTeach July 1, 2024 (3:45 pm)

        WSB, please ask the appropriate SPS personnel WHO on the Staff will be getting the remaining 10 parking spaces (after the Principal, Asst. Principal, custodian, and Food Service staff are given their guaranteed spaces) and HOW that decision will be made. I will be surprised if the answer to this is made publicly.

        • Jort July 1, 2024 (5:45 pm)

          I’d be surprised, too, since it doesn’t matter and you don’t need to know. 

        • Teacher July 1, 2024 (7:03 pm)

          Current Alki teacher here…no one I’ve talked to on staff cares…just build the school already. My walk from the street to the front door will be the same distance as my walk from the Schmitz parking lot to that front door. 

          • TY Alki Teacher! July 1, 2024 (9:32 pm)

            Thank You Alki Teacher for speaking up. While I appreciate all the opinions (I mean, not really, but whatever), I think it is now safe to say, we no longer need to pontificate on what ‘the alki teachers are going to do for parking, how they feel about it, etc. THE TEACHER HAS SPOKEN. Now, everyone should put their egos, selfishness, and opinions away, focus on the kids (for once), and equally as important, slowly walk away from their keyboards, go outside and enjoy this beautiful summer weather while it’s here. Let’s put this one to bed and get this school built! 

  • ChiaraStellata July 1, 2024 (1:02 pm)

    For anyone who is making this a disability issue, there is a simple solution to that: make all 15 parking spaces on-site disabled parking only. Let everyone else come in by transit or park streetside, including staff. There are a lot of people driving in right now who are not disabled and don’t need to drive in and they can make adjustments to their routine. If buses are not reliable or frequent enough, then that is an issue that needs to be resolved in tandem with this change, by investing more into our bus system. Another option to consider is paid permit parking in the area, which would both encourage transit use and increase availability of streetside parking, while generating public funds.

  • Alki Parent July 1, 2024 (1:44 pm)

    Parking on the nearby streets during school hours has never been a problem in the roughly 8 years I’ve lived in this neighborhood. These NIMBYs need go away. As another reminder – parking was never their concern. They tried several other complaints to get it blocked and parking is the only one that stuck so they tried to rally people behind it. 

    • Why July 1, 2024 (4:43 pm)

      This is actually not true.  The only issue the hearing examiner agreed with, during the first appeal,  is the lack of parking.  Therefore that was the only issue that could be discussed in the second appeal.  I have lived in the neighborhood for 35 years and parking has always been an issue.

      • G July 1, 2024 (9:08 pm)

        Alki parent is 100% correct. I’m another Alki parent. Parking has never been an issue. The only time it is an issue is after school hours and mainly on weekends. The school parking has nothing to do with it. 

        • Why July 1, 2024 (10:43 pm)

          The Alki neighborhood is a designated Parking Overlay District, one of only two such districts in the city.  The simplistic definition is that there are more parking requirements for private home construction/renovation in this district, than there are in other parts of the city. Even if *you* don’t think parking is an issue, the city does.

          • Bbron July 2, 2024 (6:34 am)

            and parking minimums were and are still law in some places, but were ever based on legitimate need. a past government designation isn’t guaranteed to reflect the reality of a situation.

  • Jon July 1, 2024 (2:31 pm)

    This country was founded on the principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of 130 square feet of asphalt per person near Alki Beach, please all car-haters acknowledge this before continuing to argue

    Maybe we bulldoze the community center too and build a parking garage instead?

  • HP2 July 1, 2024 (2:41 pm)

    As a former  teacher in a school this size there will be probably at least 45 staff members . I also  don’t live in this area but I think only 15 spaces is a joke. Traffic around my school was crazy and many staff members had to park in the community since walking was too far and public transportation not really workable . 

    • heartless July 1, 2024 (3:05 pm)

      Most jobs don’t provide parking for employees…

      • BeachTeach July 1, 2024 (3:50 pm)

        That’s because parking is usually incorporated into the design. I can’t think of any example where a building was expanded, taking over previously available parking, forcing employees AND customers (in this case, parents picking up sick kids, etc) to search out parking on crowded neighborhood streets.

        • Sealth teacher July 3, 2024 (7:29 am)

          Then, beachteach, either haven’t lived in WS long or have never venture to the SE.  when Denny/Sealth were conjoined spots were lost and the staff nearly doubled. 

      • J July 1, 2024 (4:06 pm)

        Most employees don’t have armloads of stuff that elementary teachers typically have. 

        • heartless July 1, 2024 (7:00 pm)

          Beach”teach”:

          Parking is not “usually incorporated in the design” in cities. 

          Seattle, like it or not (and, granted MANY of you do not) is becoming a city.

          And despite your earnest concern trolling, no parent will be unable to pick up a sick child.  I promise you, there will be no situation ever where a parent is unable to pick up a sick child due to lack of parking.  Stop being dramatic.

          J: That’s utterly ridiculous, tons of workers have more supplies than teachers. 

          https://e360.yale.edu/features/free-parking-reform

          • Pete July 1, 2024 (9:09 pm)

            Hi, former teacher here! I took the bus to work every single day as a teacher. 45 mins each way.  I live at the corner of 60th and Stevens, I’m delighted the school is being rebuilt. The thirty minutes of drop off and pick up are nothing compared to what we endure for hours on end in the summer.  

          • Beach teach July 5, 2024 (7:01 pm)

            Heartless- please just tell me HOW parents will be able to pick up their kids in the middle of the day?…. very simply, HOW will they do that with no drop off or pick up zone? I believe they will just pull up to the side of the school and go in…. which isn’t allowed. So you believe that’s ok…. Don’t accuse me of being dramatic… I’ve been out in front of that school, in the rain, before my contracted work hours in the early morning, keeping kids safe for YEARS. What have YOU done other than assume my intentions are misguided? I am quite sure the answer is NOTHING. 

    • shufflerunner July 1, 2024 (4:21 pm)

      Thank you for your sage insights as someone who does not work at that school and does not “live in this area”. 

  • lucy July 1, 2024 (3:20 pm)

    Teachers and staff in good health can lead by example and take public transportation, ride a bike or walk to work. 

    • Canton July 2, 2024 (7:21 am)

      Or, they can drive their car… What type of narcissist does it take, to tell other strangers, how to live their lives?…

      • neighbor July 2, 2024 (9:19 am)

        @Canton, she said “can” and not “must.” Pointing out that there are multiple options from which to choose is the exact opposite of telling someone how to live their life.

  • HP2 July 1, 2024 (3:29 pm)

    The community members around my school constantly complained and I don’t blame them it isn’t about provided parking at all it’s about clogging up the area

    • Alki Parent July 1, 2024 (4:49 pm)

      Don’t move near a school if you don’t want school related activity. 

      • Pete July 1, 2024 (9:11 pm)

        Ding ding ding! Exactly. I’m pretty stoked to send my own kid there as soon as it’s built.

  • Roddy3 July 1, 2024 (6:02 pm)

    I guess kids can’t walk to school anymore. I always had to…and it was fun! Sad.

  • Molly July 1, 2024 (8:09 pm)

    At this point, it’s ridiculous to hold up the construction of a *school* so that your cars have more space. Sounds like you’re just mad that you might not be able to park on the street because your driveway only holds 1 car. This is about children and schools, and the Alki plans included a dedicated entrance for preschool, which was eliminated for parking spaces. Parking is hard on alki right NOW because it’s nice out- and guess what? school is not in session right now!

  • Tired of the BS July 1, 2024 (11:03 pm)

    Why does the city have zoning requirements if the city doesn’t follow them?  Could these zoning requirements be just to keep us in line?

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