@ Southwest District Council: Don Armeni parking; Admiral project

Transportation issues were at centerstage during this month’s Southwest District Council meeting, which had a few agenda changes from what had been announced in advance.

DON ARMENI BOAT RAMP PARKING: SWDC heard first from Paul Hage, who is opposed to the new non-boater-parking crackdown at Don Armeni. We reported on this in April; the city insists it’s not a change in policy, but rather, stepped-up enforcement.

Hage read a 3 1/2-page statement including research that he says shows that while the car-parking spaces in the area, on the street and at both ends of Don Armeni, are taken up during the day, the spaces for boaters are 79 percent empty during all but the busy heart-of-summer months.

Hage told the SWDC that he wants a more-equitable policy with some room for non-boaters to use the parking during the times it’s not maxed out.

Seattle Police had reps at the meeting – Southwest Precinct Operations Lt. Ron Smith and Community Police Team Officer Jon Flores. Lt. Smith said they were there to discuss enforcement, not policy. Officer Flores said they have issued some citations but mostly have been talking to drivers and giving them warnings; many drivers told them the old signs were unclear and had led them to believe it was OK to park anywhere in the lot. Lt. Smith said the new signs are assisting them in dealing with the large number of cars that gather at Don Armeni at night and on the weekend, and said enforcement efforts are under way for speeding, racing, and drinking, not just parking. Also, regarding the use of the small in-park sections where non-boater cars are allowed, they now are signed for two hours maximum, the police said.

Discussion among SWDC members included Alki Community Council president Tony Fragada noting that ACC had taken the issue of Don Armeni lot gatherings to various agencies before, and Fauntleroy Community Association‘s Vicki Schmitz-Block pointing out that this is a Parks issue, so a Parks rep should come to the council and talk about it.

ADMIRAL PROPOSAL: Emily Ehlers showed SWDC what she had shown the Admiral Neighborhood Association a few weeks earlier (WSB coverage here) regarding changes SDOT is proposing for Admiral Way west of California SW. Next step is an open house for the community at Alki Elementary, 6-7:30 pm on May 21st.

As community members had pointed out during the ANA meeting, one major flaw with the city’s proposal so far is its stats on parking usage along the stretch, since, as was admitted during that previous presentation, the survey was taken in winter. SWDC’s Jim Edwards suggested to Ehlers that SDOT visit on the day of the Seafair Pirates Landing – June 27th – and Ehlers said she wasn’t familiar with the event.

At that point, issue was taken with whether or not this was a done deal. SWDC co-chair David Whiting, president of ANA, said SDOT had assured him earlier that bicycle changes were not in the works for this stretch. Ehlers said people involved in various projects aren’t always in communication with each other. But the plan is not set in stone, she insisted, and could change based on results of the summer parking survey. Skepticism remained.

Speaking of safety – there was a question about whether road cracks west of California would be getting fixed. Ehlers said the current Admiral-fixing plans are for east of California but she’d take the voiced concerns back.

SSC ARBORETUM: Two reps from the Arboretum at South Seattle College (WSB sponsor) invited SWDC to have its next meeting there and take a tour. The invitation was accepted – so take note that the June SWDC meeting, first Wednesday in June, will be there.

18 Replies to "@ Southwest District Council: Don Armeni parking; Admiral project"

  • someone May 11, 2015 (8:05 am)

    If they want to park there, make them pay the 12 dollars that the vehicles with trailers have to pay.

  • Sensible? May 11, 2015 (9:36 am)

    The future is now.
    We should be keeping the lots nearly full as much of the time as possible.
    New technologies can create high capacity with a few spaces available.
    Metering the costs per demand could also be used to limit single vehicles without boats during high boating demand periods.
    The available parking lots get used, drivers are accommodated, as are boaters, and the Parks Dept receives funding from the market-rate parking.

  • Gina May 11, 2015 (9:44 am)

    SDOT is not familiar with the summer event called Seafair?

  • clueless May 11, 2015 (9:56 am)

    I’m just curious, having never been to this parking lot .. is each stall (regular or long) pay to park or is payment only required for the long stalls/boat launchers? Thanks.

  • dsa May 11, 2015 (10:03 am)

    Just get a trailer and pay the $12.00, no need to go boating is there?

  • marty May 11, 2015 (10:25 am)

    The name says it all: BOAT RAMP parking.

  • jwright May 11, 2015 (11:05 am)

    I’m sorry but anyone who can turn that into a 3 1/2-page statement sounds like they have a serious axe to grind.

  • wetone May 11, 2015 (12:48 pm)

    This is getting all to common:

    “As community members had pointed out during the ANA meeting, one major flaw with the city’s proposal so far is its stats on parking usage along the stretch, since, as was admitted during that previous presentation, the SURVEY WAS TAKEN IN WINTER.”
    This shows why so many studies in this city are flat out wrong. Whether by city design or just the incompetence. Studies by SDOT,DPD and other agencies through-out our city must be examined closely. Shows why this town spends so much money on projects. Many projects being redesigned multiple times still resulting with subpar results, why ? bad data used in many cases. Glad data was challenged in large group meeting such as ANA, SWDC or project would have moved forward with bad results for neighborhood.

  • Mark May 11, 2015 (1:12 pm)

    As for the Admiral Project, I was there and Ehler’s said the “Shovel Ready” date is August 2. When asked when the study on parking was done she said it was in December. When asked to do it during the Pirates Landing weekend she said “What’s that?”. Time to call our city reps and tell them we need more time to review this proposal. Seemed like this thing is already decided and on a fast track.

  • JanS May 11, 2015 (2:15 pm)

    Ehlers didn’t know what the Seafair Pirates landing was? Does she live under a rock? Where is she from? Maybe she needs to get out more :(

  • Wendy May 11, 2015 (2:49 pm)

    Not everyone who “boats” has a boat trailer. Our kayak is carried on a rack on top of the SUV. We like to launch our 2-person kayak from the beach next to the boat dock as it’s not as steep as the beach by Seacrest and we don’t have to carry our sea kayak as far. In summer months, it’s hard to find an on-street spot to park our vehicle, plus we need quite a bit of space behind our car to roll the kayak off. I’m happy to pay the fee to park there – but I’m trailer-less!

  • Sensible? May 11, 2015 (5:37 pm)

    No worry.
    Smart systems could regulate kayakers, rafters, SUPers, divers or whatever else deemed site specific boat launch use.

  • jeff May 11, 2015 (8:55 pm)

    Tough to find parking? Try an afternoon boat launch to go fishing with your kids and you get there only to find cars parked in trailer spaces that you pre-paid for with the purchase of a season’s boating launch and park pass. Tow a few of those vehicles and word might spread quicker. The city could make a big profit ticketing those vehicles. It’s a pink salmon year and those spaces will be full from July-October. The city got this right for once

  • Linda Fane May 11, 2015 (10:28 pm)

    I was there on Friday night where the entire lot was completely EMPTY except for two cars that were being ticketed. What problem is being solved here?
    There is a need for parking PERIOD…let’s get creative and cordon off a part of the HUGE parking lot for Kayakers and other folks willing to pay to enjoy the waterfront. Why would we want to discriminate?
    If the city is going to shake people down for more money, it might be reasonable for us to expect some progressive problem solving in return.

  • WSince86 May 11, 2015 (10:29 pm)

    Marty- agreed!!!
    Clueless- There are ‘short’ places for vehicles without trailers to park at the north and south end of the Boat Launch parking lot. All of the ‘long’ spots are for vehicles with trailers that have paid the launch fee. Simple!
    Wendy- Agreed, there does need to be some type of parking and fee charged for non-trailered boats. Possibly you could pay the launch fee and leave the ticket on your dash with a note of explanation.
    As a boater who regularly uses the launch and finds this situation very frustrating, it would be infinitely better to see the fee paid for the services used.

  • Mike May 12, 2015 (9:08 am)

    Think there is a lack of parking now? just wait until the “Alki Tavern” development is finished. Saltly’s also is looking to develop a hotel in their parking lot……and they already use their valets to poach on street parking, even marking off spaces with cones, only to use that public parking for profit.

  • wetone May 12, 2015 (11:37 am)

    Mike, don’t forget one more big development coming soon on Harbor ave. (old seaway marine site) Accessed from Florida St. south side of 7/11). Apartments, commercial and retail.

  • Paul Hage May 14, 2015 (8:46 pm)

    After hearing the SPD take on new signage and enforcement priorities, I left the SWD meeting calmed – I ‘m a car-dependent senior and visit when the park is not in use – and stay with my car, so I figured I’m not on the SPD list for “outing”. Being told to get out during the passing of the Polar Pioneer today, I’m back on the bandwagon. It is a public park and can accommodate multiple public uses while still respecting a priority for trailer parking.

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