West Seattle traffic: Driver’s 3 sign suggestions to improve it

(Looking at the Avalon/Admiral/Spokane on-ramp, from under The Bridge, 9 am today)
On a day when we heard from many – via e-mail, Web, Facebook, Twitter, and text – about a worse-than-usual outbound commute, WSB’er James cc’d us on this letter to Paul Elliott at SDOT. James has a few suggestions he thinks would be simple to implement, and a fast, vast improvement to bridge traffic. Agree? Disagree? Have your own ideas? Comments welcome, but first, here’s James:

This afternoon, I made a call to Mayor McGinn’s office admin, who forwarded me to you. In that call, we discussed the DOT’s lack of solutions for West Seattle commuters, especially those who commute to destinations north of downtown. The bottom line is that there is no innovation mandated in the traffic management considerations, and that’s specifically what I expect from Seattle DOT when state, county, or city DOT projects impact city residents. To be clear, I’m expecting Seattle DOT to own this innovation, regardless of the implementer.

The issue at hand is the near exponential increase in travel time. My personal 11 minute commute to Fremont now takes upward of 45 minutes on average, and has been as long as 2.5 hours, even prior to 7AM. This is unacceptable, and I believe that the solution is as simple as innovating beyond the poor signage along the route.

My suggestion is comprised by the following 3 signage changes:

1) For north-bound travelers approaching the West Seattle Bridge onramp from the south, the signage needs to advise that they, very specifically, “leave room for mergers”. If those drivers leave 1.5 cars-length between cars on the freeway, traffic will merge like a zipper.

2) For travelers entering 99 from West Seattle, they are met with a sign as big as a door that says “BUS LANE AHEAD”. This is the foremost cause of the daily backup spanning the 2 miles of the bridge and, frequently, a mile prior to the bridge. Remove that sign altogether. It serves no purpose but to prevent the flow of traffic onto the otherwise-speedy freeway. Cars hit the highway and see the huge sign, and immediate hit the brakes and merge across the solid lane separator line. Every day, because of your sign.

3) All over West Seattle, since we all share the bridge and 99, an innovative campaign (it doesn’t need to be expensive, you already own the sign-printing hardware) should advocate for “Keep Cars Moving”. The same number of cars cross the bridge in both directions every commute, and the same backups happen day after day. You, Seattle DOT, you keep cars moving by motivating people to drive smart. “Merge Like a Zipper”, everyone knows how zippers work. “No Traffic Wednesdays” to see how progressive-thinking commuters take on the challenge. These are simple, pragmatic changes that extend beyond expensive technology or time-consuming theory.

I’m calling on you, Mr. Elliott, and cc’ing your director, the mayor, and the de facto West Seattle press to make a better experience for our peninsula’s residents. My neighbors are suffering from a situation that’s bad and only going to be way worse, regardless of whether we drive, ride buses, or cycle into work. I fully expect you to specifically innovate your way out of the traffic situation you’re creating. It is, very specifically, your duty to very specifically innovate in this scenario. You are the hired experts, you own this problem, and your solution is to innovate beyond the havoc we experience daily.

I expect nothing but the best, and I will follow up if I see progress deferring or deterring from this goal. Please drive the innovative solutions across your organization, the county, and the state, and please keep me, the mayor, and the West Seattle community abreast of these changes. Very specifically, I expect to hear regular innovative progress toward a normal commute for West Seattle’s travelers.

Thanks, I expect the best for my community and I expect you to own the improvements. I will follow up personally if I don’t receive updates on the innovation personally. Thanks again.

103 Replies to "West Seattle traffic: Driver's 3 sign suggestions to improve it"

  • M September 8, 2011 (4:54 pm)

    I agree that traffic has gotten worst. In addition, making the bus lane a car pool lane would help. As it is now – the lane is reserved only for buses, which do not even run frequently enough. This leaves the bus lane empty much of the time. There are quite a number of people who carpool who would be able to take advantage of the bus lane if it was also a carpool lane.

  • Batwoman September 8, 2011 (5:12 pm)

    Agreed! I would also love to see the signs on Admiral Way and Fauntleroy which indicate commute times to NB I-5, 4th Ave and 99 working consistently during commute times. I use both routes in the morning and have often noticed each sign only offering a commute time for I-5. With nothing to compare it to, I have to select my route downtown based on the speed of traffic flow on the bridge, which often results in a change of original plan and extra lane changes, etc. Even better would be for those signs to also include 1st Ave and the lower bridge commute times so we could make educated decisions on utilizing each of those as alternate routes.

    Thanks James for being proactive about this. The commute has been hell recently!

  • EN September 8, 2011 (5:27 pm)

    I completely agree. It took me 80 minutes to get to work today. I have been trying to start carpools & vanpools for my co-workers that commute from the peninsula to Beacon hill. Unfortunately, to take the bus is over an hour- assuming no traffic. I would really appreciate some additional support from the city.

  • andrea September 8, 2011 (5:34 pm)

    Amen! Excellent letter James. I hope it gets the right someone’s attention. My commute time into downtown this morning took 40 minutes. Last Thursday it took maybe 12 minutes. Go figure.

  • Scott September 8, 2011 (5:39 pm)

    I don’t think those signs would have much impact at all. Traffic is going to be bad for a while, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better. Better get used to it.

  • AJ September 8, 2011 (5:44 pm)

    Wow! Giving solutions. Asking leaders to take ownership. Expecting results. Excellent.

  • johnnyblegs September 8, 2011 (5:54 pm)

    This is so fantastic and I agree across the board on all points.
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    I would add to the list with the light under the bridge by the chelan cafe going towards west seattle. That right turn light, which is only one lane, has TWO right green arrows that confuse drivers in the other lanes, thinking they can take a left from their lane. It would improve traffic flow by removing the extra light.

  • Alex September 8, 2011 (5:55 pm)

    I guess we could try those ideas, but I disagree that signage is the “foremost cause” of the backup. The problem is that there are too many cars to fit on I-5 North, so the onramp essentially backs up from I5 all the way across the bridge, then to all the onramps and streets leading to the bridge. It all starts at I-5 north.
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    The problem I see is that even though I5 is the only real slowdown, ALL COMMUTERS are effected, even those going east or south. We need to find a way to keep the I5 south and Columbian way lane clear of “line cutters.” The no-lane-changing zone approaching I5 north should be extended at least a few hundred more yards, because if all the I5N traffic queued up properly in the left lane, there would be no need to delay travelers to other destinations. Then, since everyone going east or south would get off the freeway faster, the bridge itself would be less crowded overall. My solution is to enforce a rule where ALL I5 north traffic must merge to the left lane immediately, no cutting in at the last minute while pointlessly blocking the I5 south on-ramp.

  • Jiggers September 8, 2011 (5:59 pm)

    1. Don’t build the tunnel…

    2. Don’t build the tunnel…

    3. Don’t build the tunnel…

  • Jay September 8, 2011 (6:04 pm)

    Well, these suggestions mean well. However, these ideas seem to rely on drivers initiating a certain level of courtesy in order for this to work. As unfortunate as it is, I don’t think that installing signs will help initiate any courtesy from our fellow drivers. As far as the bus lane goes, I think it does need to be kept clear for buses otherwise the buses will be stuck just like everyone else. Then this would discourage people from using public transit and then we could potentially have a worse problem than we have now. I think what might help is if there was better (more buses on a more frequent schedule) public transportation from West Seattle.

  • Robert2715 September 8, 2011 (6:05 pm)

    Another vote to make the bus lane a carpool lane. At a minimum, try it for a week as an experiment and if it fouls up the buses too much, turn it back off. I guess the question would should it be HOV 2 or 3?

  • JayDee September 8, 2011 (6:05 pm)

    Today the sign on Admiral at 6:45 said: “4 mins to I-5” traffic was backed up to the top of the bridge and it was closer to 8-10 mins. I don’t quite understand how the sign was that far off if it was real time. Granted, traffic flow is similar to water going from laminar to turbulent flow but it was way off.

    OP: Have you considered 4th Avenue? It does move pretty well through DT but I haven’t tried it past 7ish.

  • Todd September 8, 2011 (6:11 pm)

    I emailed SDOT a while back and asked for a camera pointing at the usual back up getting on I-5 Northbound. I actually got a response and an email back saying they would change the default setting (which they actually did) on the 6th Ave S. and S. Spokane St. camera so that it would point in the direction of the typical back up getting on N. I-5. In my email I suggested a camera pointing Eastbound on the West Seattle Bridge at 1st, 4th, and 6th Ave’s, but SDOT’s only solution was the 6th Ave camera. Maybe in the future they will install more camera’s since the 6th Ave S camera only shows a short distance and the back up is usually longer than this camera shows, which isn’t a great help in gauging the length of the backup.

  • Denny September 8, 2011 (6:11 pm)

    Have the bus lane also serve as exit only to first avenue.

  • Neighbor September 8, 2011 (6:18 pm)

    How about not tolling the 520 until the friggin’ tunnel is finished. They are pretending that the increased traffic will not make this commute even more hellish, I-5 is going to even more backed up, which will make the WSB even more of a cluster.
    Oh, and please start ticketing everyone who insists upon merging as soon as they possibly can at the Delridge/Admiral on-ramps to get on 99. If people would use the lane space provided then Admiral wouldn’t be so backed up. It’s sooooo frustrating thing ever!!! The bus only lane starts far along the bridge! Maybe people need to drink a cup before they get in their cars to wake their brains up.

  • Brian September 8, 2011 (6:35 pm)

    This won’t matter much. What difference does it make if this intersection is congested, once the viaduct is gone. The passive kick-me Seattle voters have sealed their fate by ignoring the tunnel vs. viaduct issue and succombed to the politically pre-ordained solution, long coming but inevitable considering the expected lack of resistence from the disinterested sleeping electorate. Welcome to the future of congestion gridlock and long if not impossible commutes. Business will leave and friendships will end, because you just can’t get there from here. Voters of Seattle, your gift to your children. Stagnation. Stand tall – be proud!!

  • Rebecca September 8, 2011 (6:56 pm)

    Two more signs:

    “Put your kid on the SCHOOL BUS and stop clogging up the road. He doesn’t need a private driver.”

    “Northbound I-5 drivers, keep LEFT. People heading to Southbound I-5 have a freeway that is actually moving, so kindly let them get to it. Your commute doesn’t need to ruin theirs”

  • DTK September 8, 2011 (7:17 pm)

    The last thing we need is idiotic drivers slamming on their brakes trying to read inconsequential signage.

  • gatewood September 8, 2011 (7:17 pm)

    Excellent indeed! James, have you ever thought of running for mayor?

  • Guest September 8, 2011 (7:17 pm)

    I agree that traffic has gotten worse. I keep leaving earlier only to arrive to work at the same time as if I had left later. Very frustrating to say the least. One thing that I think adds to the problem is the bus lane stings during the rush hours. It seems that people slow down to see what is going on, etc. and this only snarls traffic more during a time when people are just trying to get to work.

    A solution I would like to see is somehow to make it easier for people who are going to first avenue, 4th avenue, Beacon Hill or South 5. Most of the traffic I get stuck in is for people going to 1-5 north. Or people trying to switch into the lane to go to north 5 between 1st avenue and the 1-5 north exit thus making the right lane come to a stand still.

    We like West Seattle a lot and have lived here for years but we are actually thinking about moving to the east side of 1-5 just to avoid this ridiculousness. When I’ve had to go to work at an off time it took me 7 minutes to get there. Currently it takes 35 minutes or longer when I leave at 7:20 in the morning.

  • Nulu September 8, 2011 (7:35 pm)

    Unbelievably simple.

    Sounds a bit like the Mayor’s suggestions, fix the viaduct problems with signage to direct the traffic.

    All our traffic problems can so simply be solved.

  • zephyr September 8, 2011 (7:41 pm)

    Awesome letter, James. Ditto what AJ said. ~z

  • Cascadianone September 8, 2011 (7:44 pm)

    My letter would have read:

    “Light Rail or bust!” or maybe “Gondola or bust!”

    While I applaud the author’s verve, our problem won’t be helped by savvy media efforts or improved signage. We just have too many vehicles on too little roadway and honestly, buses are not the solution.

    We need grade-separated electric mass transit. Either a modern aerial cable car sytem (inexpensive) or light rail (very expensive) would fix this mess and reconnect West Seattle with our city. It would be substantively better than just more buses because it would be a third physical bridge across the Duwamish/Harbor Island area into SODO, something we desperately need for reliability and to handle the volume.

    Maybe we should create a private organization to fund and manage new transit, since our leaders seem so determined to strand us out here???

  • OMT September 8, 2011 (7:44 pm)

    I’d add one more thing to this – Move the north terminus of the 128 to Seacrest Park and time it’s schedule with the water taxi to make the boat a viable, traffic-free option for many more commuters.

  • James September 8, 2011 (7:49 pm)

    @Scott: Stay off the road. I’ll be behind you, honking. Your attitude is the same as the city’s, and I think innovation is always better than resignation.

  • Robert2715 September 8, 2011 (7:49 pm)

    Much of the problem today was caused by the 3 lane blocking accident on eastbound 90 about a half mile east of 5. Hopefully “Northbound 5” commuters utilized the 4th avenue exit, took 4th north, and then got back on 5 either at Safeco or at Marion.

  • SomeGuy September 8, 2011 (7:53 pm)

    Well said Brian. I love the viaduct!

  • Bonnie September 8, 2011 (7:53 pm)

    Rebecca, your sign “Put your kid on the SCHOOL BUS and stop clogging up the road. He doesn’t need a private driver.” wouldn’t work because SPS does not offer bussing to everybody. It would be nice..

  • xena September 8, 2011 (7:56 pm)

    I agree that there are significant traffic problems created by drivers that do not know how to merge properly. Another problem is motorists that drive to the front of a line of traffic waiting to exit or enter another roadway and completely stop illegally in another viable lane while they try to cut in front of others. Not only are they blocking another lane they are also creating safety issues by crossing solid traffic lines and gore points. They are impeding the progress of others that have been waiting in traffic. Why is their time more valuable than mine to where they can’t wait like everyone else?

  • Joey September 8, 2011 (7:57 pm)

    Can we not assume commuters heading eastbound in the morning are residents of West Seattle whom are already familiar with the signs? If they would eliminate the bus lane altogether I would be the first to raise a glass.

  • Sage September 8, 2011 (8:09 pm)

    How about making transit work better by routing actual buses (not just a mini-shuttle) to the water taxi to make better use of the marine throughput capacity we have? If I can dream, why not make Seacrest the terminus of a West Seattle streetcar line, thereby creating mass transit from WS to downtown without any need to engineer a new Duwamish crossing.

  • raincity September 8, 2011 (8:17 pm)

    Thank you James for having the hope and courage to come up with ideas and find people in charge to communicate them to. You give me hope – I will try to do the same.

  • Tom September 8, 2011 (8:18 pm)

    The monorail is looking better and better, any chance of bringing it back?

  • Eric Goetz September 8, 2011 (8:22 pm)

    Signs won’t work, nor will getting rid of the bus lane. You think traffic is bad now? It’s only going to get worse after the 99 closure. There is no “easy fix” short of more people taking the bus, water taxi or their bicycles.

    You work in Fremont! There’s a bus that goes door to door from the Junction, for crying out loud!

  • k September 8, 2011 (8:31 pm)

    i’m with you jiggers!

    the tunnel will be one of the largest mistakes Seattle has made in it’s already disastrous commuter history.

  • JO September 8, 2011 (8:33 pm)

    My commute downtown was great today. I ride the water taxi. Sure, it’s a bit of a walk once downtown, but it beats sitting in traffic any day.

  • Ryan September 8, 2011 (8:36 pm)

    I travel south from West Seattle and now totally avoid the bridge. I think the biggest problem for North bound travelers is the street-level entrance right by the I-5 lane. Also the major problem and the reason I have to avoid the bridge in the morning is because people try and drive up as far as possible and merge causing everyone to slow down. There should be zero traffic in the right hand lane after the 99 exit but it’s ridiculous. The only change that is going to help is for drivers to realize that while you think you may be in more of a hurry or more important than others, your actions are what slows down the traffic all the way back to us on the hill. The bus lane seems a bit ridiculous but at the same time it would cause merging nightmares if it was open to everyone because it isn’t a very long lane. I applaud you for being so very clear what your expectations are and for following through, more than most of do!

  • notatrafficeng September 8, 2011 (8:37 pm)

    face it folks, drivers don’t pay attn to signs. if they did we’d have no speeding issues on the bridge, admiral, 35th, etc

  • Eaglelover September 8, 2011 (8:47 pm)

    Nice ideas, took over an hour and half to get north of the ship canal. Makes me cringe the end of October looming. I would love to have someone drive me (on a bus while reading something) but it doesnt work if you are out of the commute plan.

  • Lee September 8, 2011 (8:49 pm)

    Don’t forget about the impact from all the new apartment/condo units built in the last ten years.

  • Gawdge September 8, 2011 (9:14 pm)

    I hope every jackwad who cut into the WSB lane at the end of 35th is doing okay tonight. I wished some horrid endings for you this morning.

  • Lynn September 8, 2011 (9:15 pm)

    Good letter, but I agree that signage won’t make much of a difference (other than possibly removing the urge to get over to 99 ASAP, causing a backup up the hill). I also agree that the I-5 issue, which backs up the entire bridge, is the actual ramp and street access from below the bridge. For a large interchange, it’s the most pathetically sized access lane I’ve ever seen. I like the idea one commenter had on including the lower bridge and south access to 99/1st Ave on the signs with the inaccurate times. That thing actually said 15 minutes one day when it took me 50 minutes! Also, another idea might be to add a park & ride near the bridge. Not sure of the real estate to do it, but if I’m to ride a bus, I have to make it as fast a trip as possible (meaning drive as close to the bridge as possible and park).

  • alkiguy September 8, 2011 (9:16 pm)

    My sense is that it is the jam up on the entrance from WS Bridge to 99 that is the cause of the major back-ups now. My solution would be to have the folks coming northbound on 99 (south of the WS Bridge merge on to 99) go down to one lane so that the WS folks can merge without a slow down. If folks from WS can get on to 99 easily, the whole bridge moves more quickly. This seems fair to be because the people who come up 99 from the south have other options to get to downtown/points north where we do not.

  • Katya September 8, 2011 (9:22 pm)

    This whole situation is so frustrating. Every single person who I’ve talked to who voted for that tunnel has defended it with, essentially, “it’s clearly not a good solution but I’m sick of hearing about it.” Guess what, friends? You’re going to hear me complain about my newly quadrupled commute every single day going forward.

    My drive-time used to be 12 minutes. Now, I can either a) try to line up the shuttle/water taxi/bus on the city side (not all of us work downtown, Jo) (approximate time: 1.2 hours); b) take the bus (40 minutes on the best day, plus the special and vaguely nauseating fun of the jerky stop-start as the bus driver, who has zipped up the bus lane, plays a game of chicken trying to get some single passenger vehicle to let him in to the 99 lane), or c) drive – approximately 45 minutes (no matter what time I leave, it seems – even better now that the kids are back), and I get to work frustated and irritated.

    City of Seattle, what’s the deal with the total disinterest in West Seattle and the WS voters? I’ll take anything at this point – more boats (shuttle’s not so bad if the darn water taxi would run a little more often/later), light rail, car pool lanes (although that difference would be marginal), something…if it’s this bad, I can’t even imagine what the tunnel reality will be. Silver lining: rents in those fancy new buildings will drop like a rock.

    Gotta say, though, I appreciate the earnestness but part of my problem each morning is people driving inconsiderately, ignoring the “buses only” sign and merging in at the last minute (bottleneck much?), or refusing to yield in the “zipper merge” concept. That bridge is a study in perverse incentives with too many merges for such a short space, and human nature trumps best intentions every time. Special points to the cops who occasionally pull somebody over for this..IN THAT VERY LANE. Not helping, Officer.

    But seriously. What kind of system is this when an accident on a road (90) that back-connects to another road (5) that back-connects to another span (Spokane St Viaduct) screws up the bridge? 4 layers! Ridiculous.

  • raincity September 8, 2011 (9:27 pm)

    people who have to commute north of seattle from west seattle usually have to take multiple buses to get whether they are going. None of these buses are timed to work with each other. Getting from west seattle to UW can take an hour and a half each – on a good day.

    Don’t assume because the 54 becomes a 5 it would work for anyone trying to get to work before 9 am and hoping to spend less than an hour and a half on the bus on a good day.

  • Mark September 8, 2011 (9:32 pm)

    I’d like to submit that part of the problem today and yesterday is the fact that school started on Wednesday. This happens every year. When school ends at the beginning of the summer, traffic lightens up a little. When the UW starts, traffic gets a little worse, and then when Seattle Public starts, it gets much worse. It is even worse this summer because of the 99 lane closure.

    While there are some good suggestions here, I think that after everyone settles into their new patterns, the traffic delays will return to their ‘normal’ bad lengths. Until more North/South capacity (in any form) comes online, we will have to put up with this.

  • thegodfather September 8, 2011 (9:33 pm)

    Do we have to have the large trucks on the bridge during peak commute times? Why is there only one lane to get onto North bound I-5??????? What the heck, the tunnel idea sucks in my opinion. Traffic out of W. Seattle is ridiculous and good on James for writing the letter — we need to be LOUD and demand some action, this is OUR government, OUR city, OUR roads… it is NOT working, it IS BROKEN and needs to be fixed.

  • Lonnie S September 8, 2011 (9:43 pm)

    On eastbound Spokane why is the “BUS LANE” a 24 hr bus lane? Why not make it a “BUS LANE” between 6am and 10am….then open it up for normal traffic between 10am and 3pm and back to a “BUS LANE” between 3pm and 7PM and then again back to normal traffic between 7PM and 6am the next day? Many, many times I see zero traffic in those lanes when that lane could accept the overflow more efficiently.

  • Michelle September 8, 2011 (9:49 pm)

    What I would like to see: Have “Mayor McGinn” camp out in West Seattle for just 1 week and commute to downtown. I think he’d have a new perspective and some of our concerns would actually be taken seriously.

  • Sonoma September 8, 2011 (9:52 pm)

    The fact is that West Seattle keeps adding more and more apartments and condos, and with more people, we get more traffic. It’s a matter of numbers. I’m not going to get into a debate about density, but these are the simple facts. More people + more cars + really just one way to get in and out of West Seattle + lousy buses = traffic nightmare.

  • 2wheels a-go-go September 8, 2011 (9:58 pm)

    Here’s another sign suggestion: “Sick of being stuck in traffic? Are you driving a single-occupant vehicle? You are part of the problem. Consider carpooling, taking the bus, or riding a bike!”
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    If everyone for whom these alternate forms of transportation is a viable option utilized them, there would be no traffic jams. Be the change you wish to see in the world.
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    By the way, that may be a wordy sign, but you’d have plenty of time to read it while creeping along at 5mph.

  • noLongerUsingTheStreets September 8, 2011 (10:04 pm)

    Wow, I feel somewhat badly–I had such a nice commute this morning, the same 30 minutes from my house to First Hill, nice sunny day.
    But I always ride. (@Michelle: I understand the mayor does too, so he might notice only insofar as seeing angry voters.)
    Until there are more non-grade options, we’re in bad shape–and we did it to ourselves! Pretty stupid not to build the monorail when money was growing on trees, now things are, ahem, different.
    It will be fun to see the water taxi loaded to the gunnels in Oct.

  • Cooked September 8, 2011 (10:16 pm)

    The real problem is I-5 North and has been for years. That’s why the monorail was such a bonehead plan – it did nothing to remedy increasing congestion on I-5 N into Seartle. The tunnel, maybe a good idea, again puts the cart before the horse. This has to be one of the most inept transportation planning districts in the country. It is blindingly obvious: Fix the major blocked artery first or the body dies!

  • Jamie September 8, 2011 (10:23 pm)

    i think this traffic situation is seriously insane! as my job is unwilling to alter my work hours in any way, i’m stuck with trying to get to capitol hill at 8am and fight traffic back at 430pm. the hours couldn’t be any worse. there is no way this level of frustration and stress i endure every single work day, due to my horrific commute, is sustainable long term. very adverse effects on my mental and physical health. yeah, i know “take the bus” well, that just doesn’t work for everyone (say, who have kids or dogs to return home to) if i could take a direct bus from WS to cap hill,i would do it in a blink, but the transfer downtown is so unreliable i end up walking all the way up (which works in the summer, in a downpour no way). i’m scared enough of all the jerky drivers while in my car, i’d have a heart attack trying to ride a bike among all these jerks! what used to be a 20 min commute for me in the am has turned into a 50 min ordeal of shear hell. it looks like i either need to start looking for a new job (with more flexible hours or closer to home) or a new neighborhood to live in :( this is sucks and with end of oct looming i’m very frightened!!!!

  • Megan September 8, 2011 (10:23 pm)

    While I appreciate the ideas I doubt varied signage is going to help. We all drive the very same road every day, each of us know what we should do. The jerks who cheat the lanes and don’t merge appropriately are making their choices (albeit bad ones). But James thank-you for making us heard! I know personally that I grumble my entire way across that bridge, but have never personally done anything to make sure that the folks who make decisions on traffic projects know our pain. But obviously we should be.

    Also – The signs have been awful at predicting times. The sign on Admiral today said 8 mins to I-5. It was 8 minutes of backup by the time I even reached the sign. :( Not that me knowing the extent of my pain really does anything to help.

  • Wondering September 8, 2011 (10:31 pm)

    I agree that converting bus lane to car lane would discourage public transportation and aggravate the problem. Like more busses idea and am intrigued by the idea of making bus lane also an exit lane to 1st ave. Signage? No, I don’t think signage will help. Light Rail would help but not right away. I suggest that everyone who knows bridge congestion write a a letter to councilmembers and Mayor McGinn. Growth in West Seattle population wasn’t equivalently met with sane plan to get people out of West Seattle. Having someone in power to champion our cause would help. Are we on anyone’s radar? KOMO had to go to Hood Canal today to find a backup while we were all sitting on an unreported unnoticed paralyzed bridge.

  • Wondering September 8, 2011 (10:40 pm)

    Alkiguy I think the 99 problem isn’t merging with 99 though I love your idea to ease that merger. I think the bigger problem is merging into 99 bound lane on WSB. How about a solution for merging with Delridge onramp folks onto 99 bound lane or merging into that lane from any point. It’s becoming a free for all that clogs bus lanes and freezes the line. 45 mins to 99 today. What if a length of roadway was designated for moving into 99 bound lane or for Delridge onramp people to move over to Downtown and I5 bound lanes.

  • Amy September 8, 2011 (11:00 pm)

    Not everyone has the type a job to take transit!! Not to mention needing to take kids to and from daycare. So frustrating that transit is suppose to be the catch all solution.

  • tk September 8, 2011 (11:11 pm)

    SDOT should observe the traffic patterns for a week or two from the hillside west of the bridge. From our house every day I see problem areas in the morning heading east:
    1. The very short “bus only” lane from the Admiral Way/Avalon lane entrance onto the bridge is absurd, especially for cars trying to get to the right lane for 99N. Cars must merge LEFT for 200 feet only to have to merge back again to the RIGHT to then get over to the 99 exit. Many times there are no busses/no traffic in this whole restricted lane while the merge left/car lane is down to a crawl. Why not allow cars going to 99N in this bus lane also (like years ago) and eliminate probably 50% of the unneeded left merges?
    2. Because of #1, the eventual merge to the right is condensed into a shorter/more inefficient merge pattern, which actually slows busses down more than the short advantage of a bus only lane inappropriately placed. Since the bus only lane was added, this area has been a constant bottleneck unnecessarily.
    3. Because of #1, the left merging cars frequently also slow down the cars trying to get to I-5, 1st/4th Ave.
    4. I do not agree that all of the backup on the bridge is due to worsening I-5 backup. It’s probably a 50/50 deal as many times the two left/thru lanes over the bridge are moving along nicely but there is a dreadful back up for traffic getting onto 99N for both Delridge and Admiral/Fauntleroy directions. On days that the I-5 lanes are packed, it negatively impacts the 99N traffic as well as they cannot get far enough up the bridge to get over to the right.
    5. Why not allow cars with 2+ people to use the bus lane from the top of the hill all the way to 1st Ave? I was told years ago by SDOT that this bus only rule (for the two places on the WS bridge) was due to the federal funding rules but I really doubt this is still a valid excuse. It might even help ease a little of the congestion.
    6. 7:15am seems to begin the dreaded slow down on most days. If you do not get through the Bermuda triangle (Admiral/Fauntleroy/Delridge merges) by the time you can kiss any set schedules goodby!

    • WSB September 8, 2011 (11:56 pm)

      P.S. For those who mentioned this morning’s traffic … I did ask SDOT if their traffic engineers had any official opinion about possible contributing factors, and received this reply: “We have talked with several SDOT traffic engineers and they are not aware of any blocking incidents from this morning that would have caused a problem for eastbound traffic on the West Seattle Bridge. It is possible that back to school traffic–parents driving their kids to school, school buses–was a factor.” – TR

  • FauntleeHillsFag September 8, 2011 (11:49 pm)

    1. Torch your car.
    2. Ride the bus.
    3. Get over it.

  • Steve September 9, 2011 (12:42 am)

    The bus lane on 99 will never be removed, the city will not want to give up on all the $500 tickets issued to drivers caught in it.

  • Jack Loblaw September 9, 2011 (6:25 am)

    I have driven daily from West Seattle to downtown since 1982. Recently, after 2 weeks in Europe using real public transportation, I started riding the bus. On a normal day it takes me less time to get to work than it did when I drove and I am much less stressed out when I get there. The bus is by no means the ultimate answer but it is better most days than driving.

  • Chant September 9, 2011 (6:51 am)

    The viaduct is going to close in Oct and the back up is going to be so much worse if the traffic lately is any indication. What about rerouting the ferry to the Coleman dock downtown? Many many many of those cars drive thru WS to downtown anyway. How many commute and stay in WS?

  • JM September 9, 2011 (7:24 am)

    Chant I agree. Getting rid of the Vashon commuters that use West Seattle as their freeway to downtown or points east would remove hundreds of extra vehicles off our overcrowded roads.

  • Xl9t September 9, 2011 (7:54 am)

    How about routing Vashon ferry traffic downtown? That has to add a decent amount of cars.

  • m September 9, 2011 (8:00 am)

    thank you for taking the time to try and propose some solutions to this mess.
    Taking down the “big” sign won’t change a thing. The worst slow down is ON the West Seattle Bridge, trying to get to 99. And the major caus of that is all the people who jet down below and take the spokane street bridge and then zoom back up into the merge right before you get on 99. Makes the normal bridge entrance to 99 a nightmare. OF course the situation is aggravated by the lane closure on NB 99, it is a perfect storm of b.s.
    Hey to all you people who take the lower bridge “shortcut”, the least you could do is put on a flippin blinker when you merge at the 99 ramp bottleneck. And don’t try and tell me you should be commended for trying to find an “alternative” route to work. There is nothing alternative about it. everyone has to squeeze on to the same ramp to get on 99. Nothing alternative about that. Last I checked its those patient souls who sat on the bridge in the right hand lane, waiting to get on 99, who have the right of way.

  • Kelly September 9, 2011 (8:50 am)

    How about the idea that people should cut their commute time by living closer to their work or selecting neighborhoods based on good mass transit availability?

    I think we need to take responsibility for our own commute times based on where we choose to live.

  • Jamie September 9, 2011 (8:54 am)

    those sign ideas seem like a nice try, but really there is no sign in the world that will change the aggressive, rude, inconsiderate jerk drivers that don’t know how to properly merge and just cut people off at the last moment. if EVERYONE would abide by the “you take a turn, you let someone else take a turn” rule, then merging at all points of this horrid WS/downtown area commute would go much smoother. i tried to play “nice” on day #1 earlier this summer when the viaduct closed down to two lanes, at the columbia enterance to viaduct…i left 5 cars merge in front of me on that ramp and when i refused to keep being nice and let car #6 barge in front, he aggressively rear ended me, no joke!!! jerks like that will pay no attention to signage. also, those reader boards are a joke, triple the time is says and you may have a decent estimate to decide which route to take in. the sign at alaska/fauntleroy said 6 min to I5 at 7:10 this am, it took 18 min in fact. sooooo, do i look for a new job or move from west seattle…that’s the million dollar question :(

  • KBear September 9, 2011 (8:55 am)

    M, taking the low bridge route to 99 isn’t “cheating”. Using all available routes and lanes makes traffic run more smoothly. The backup is caused by self-righteous drivers who try to prevent people from merging. If all the traffic from the low bridge were up on the high bridge, you’d be waiting even longer to get onto 99.

  • GAnative September 9, 2011 (9:06 am)

    How about a “Don’t Block the Box” sign on Fauntleroy at Oregon? Then maybe more than one car can get thru a green light.

  • Rae September 9, 2011 (9:10 am)

    1. I know most folks on the bridge take it regularly, but for those few who don’t the signage to the I-5 on-ramp is not clear. You don’t know to keep left until it is too late. SIGN!

    2. There will just continue to be more and more cars and more and more congestion until we figure out how to have real and feasible public transportation. I know not all of you have a good route on the bus, but those of you who do should take it! Get those cars off the road!

  • bike2work September 9, 2011 (9:20 am)

    OMG people…there are so many simple solutions to this problem but it takes ALL OF US to make a commitment to reducing our daily usage of single occupancy vehicles. This doesn’t have to be an all or nothing solution. If ALL OF US could reduce 50% of our single occupancy vehicles commutes then we would have a huge start on the problem. People in big cities all around the world use alternative modes of transportation…why are Seattlites so attached to private cars? I understand some of us must have a car to haul heavy gear and some must take SMALL children to daycare. But most of us can put big kids on buses (yes, SPS does provide transportation Bonnie…but you need to enroll your kid in your neighborhood school..what a concept), catch a bus 2-3 times per week, ride a bike, share a ride (and really, mixing all these modes of transportation makes a person a flexible and agile person). It’s not that hard! And again, it doesn’t have to be everyday to make a difference. You can still have the luxury (and it is a luxury) of driving 1-2 times per week but yet still be making a difference for your neighborhood, environment and city. Think about it!

    AND YES…I know…buses suck…blah, blah blah….I too use them to get from WS to UW…but suck it up.

    BTW…LOVE the idea of landing those Vashon commuter someplace else. No reason for them to travel through West Seattle. Although, ideally they would just move closer to work…as should anyone else who is traveling so many miles to work.

  • mpento September 9, 2011 (9:27 am)

    People who think they know how to drive are really annoying to those of us who do know how to drive

  • Matt September 9, 2011 (9:32 am)

    I TOTALLY AGREE ON THE ZIPPER SIGNS! I’ve seen it work great in Vancouver. ALSO – We need to change the culture of driving with signs that say “KEEP RIGHT UNLESS PASSING”. The side by side self centered comatose multi-lane wall of drivers crawling under the speed limit needs to be stopped. It works in other countries I’ve been to.

  • MLD September 9, 2011 (9:39 am)

    One of the biggest back up problems is the merge to the 1st Ave exit from the right lane vs the bus lane vs the on ramp for the semi truck below. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t trying to get over to that exit. You get tickets for lining up in the bus lane….yet if you merge properly from the right lane you end up blocking traffic because the 1st Ave exit is backed up! Dont even get me started with the semi trucks who need a DIFFERENT ROUTE to I-5 and need to STAY OFF the bridge. What a cluster. I get the finger for merging properly and a ticket for trying to be nice for lining up in the bus lane. Whatever.

  • JoAnne September 9, 2011 (9:47 am)

    James points out a basic principle, that government should be responsible to the people.

    However, our city and county governments, including the councils and executive agencies, do not see themselves as public servants.

    They see themselves as a sort of “ruling class” whose purpose it is to control what others do.

    Their stated goal is to get people out of their cars, regardless of the reality that most people cannot function in modern life without daily driving.

    One the one hand, they refuse to take even modest actions to relieve traffic, such metered lanes or better signage.

    On the other hand, they go to extreme lengths, hiring social engineers and running social engineering programs to try to manipulate people out of cars. Meanwhile, the worse traffic becomes, the stronger they believe their argument is. It’s just sick.

  • odroku September 9, 2011 (9:55 am)

    Nothing about contemporary society leads me to believe that attempting to educate and request we work together for a solution as a community will go anywhere. Everything is broken.

  • Rosanne September 9, 2011 (10:08 am)

    I love the idea of having a ferry to downtown for all those Vashon people! How many cars fits on a ferry–150, 200? That many cars on the West Seattle bridge all at once is a nightmare.
    We need better ways to get out if west Seattle, if they take away the viaduct & replace it with a tunnel we will lose two downtown exits forcing more cars into a one lane I-5 ramp. Craziness!
    My family has decided we must move out of West Seattle, the traffic is just too bad, we can’t take the commutes. It’s sad because we adore West Seattle, the people are great here! The city planners have no idea the struggles we face every day just to get our kids to school & ourselves to work.

  • WSFoodie September 9, 2011 (10:11 am)

    I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of re-routing the Vashon Island traffic. I’m sure the people who take that ferry would agree.

    The water taxi should be a free alternative to encourage usage until the viaduct construction is done.

  • Harpy September 9, 2011 (10:38 am)

    “Their stated goal is to get people out of their cars, regardless of the reality that most people cannot function in modern life without daily driving.”

    Well where exactly would you put more cars out there? If you can’t build three more West Seattle Bridges off the peninsula, it seems to make sense to encourage those who can make a different choice to do so.

    I fail to see how a goal of getting MORE people into separate cars will help anything. That is like telling the triple bypass patient who got that way by eating too many triple cheeseburgers, that they should eat more triple cheeseburgers because they clearly weren’t eating enough to begin with.

  • wetone September 9, 2011 (10:51 am)

    Hey bike2work sounds like you must work for the state or McGinn, most people I know work in the trades and have to haul tools and materials to various job sites. The bus or bikes don’t work well for that.
    Traffic in West Seattle is never going to get better. It will only get worse, as the city allows new buiding to continue in an area that has limited access in and out.
    For example the triangle rezone area to 85′ (Alaska/Fauntleroy) and along California ave and the Delridge area, when finished will make make todays commute look simple. Oh yea don’t forget more ferry traffic also. I would expect around a 1000 more cars in this area in the next five years if they don’t slow down the build up of West Seattle. I’m just glad my job ended in Ballard this summer, as it was averaging 1 hr each way to go 12 miles. Property values in this area will also be affected as traffic in this area gets worse.

  • newbie September 9, 2011 (1:28 pm)

    Anyone who thinks turning the bus lane into a commuter/all-purpose lane has the same vision for traffic issues as the people who laid out this city’s grid system. (actually turning it into an extended off-ramp for the 1st ave exit would help)

    By turning the bus lane into an all-purpose lane you would not move traffic any faster at any of the actual congestion points. The spokane street viaduct would still only be 2 lanes, the 99 off-ramp would still be forced to handle the same amount of cars, it would only change where you wait, not how long you wait, it could even make things worse by adding an extra merge into the whole formula.

    There are only two solutions that I see to fix the situation, and this is not brain surgery, increase capacity at bottlenecks, or decrease the amount of cars on the road. Any other discussions are just a waste of time.

  • JoB September 9, 2011 (1:51 pm)

    unfortunately, the commute from West Seattle to Fremont has me house hunting elsewhere:( … I love West Seattle. I wanted to buy a house in the neighborhood where i currently rent… but that isn’t going to happen:(
    .
    frankly i don’t see solutions for anyone living SW of downtown… but i do applaud anyone with solutions.. no matter how imperfect.

  • WS commuter September 9, 2011 (1:59 pm)

    There’s a lot of venting here (and I do it too at times) … the bad commute two days ago was as much a combination of factors – school starting, the I-90 accident – and the simple math of more drivers on the bridge (summer vacation is over). I’m all for innovation and trying to improve driver’s bad habits and poor manners (and really, that’s what it is – the idiots who rush to front and cut it, or stall a lane trying to force a lane change too late). But enought people will continue to be rude and stupid – it is human nature.

    The real truth is that our commute is changing. We’re going to have to adjust. For some of us, it will be using the bus or water taxi; for some it will mean shifting work schedules to avoid traffic, and for some, it will mean suffering through longer commutes.

    And, the truth is, we’ll be going through this change for the next 5 years. Until the tunnel is done, the new Alaskan Way/waterfront route completed, and the City has implemented the traffic mods on 1st and 4th, we won’t have our new “normal” – and none of that will happen before 2016. On the bright side, the widened Spokane St. viaduct will help some, and evening commutes will get a little better when the new 1st Ave onramp to westbound opens up.

    And speaking of complaints – could SPD deal with 2nd/Columbia during evening commutes? The rude and dangerous idiots who cut in from outside lanes (there is only 1 turn lane there!!!) because they are too important to wait their turn for the right onto Columbia are going to kill someone one of these days.

  • GRG September 9, 2011 (4:42 pm)

    Simple solution: Close the ramp up from Spokane street at 6th Ave just before the bridge/I-5 entrance.. VERY slow moving heavy trucks and cars climbing that hill act as a “clot” to the arterial and prevent the free flow from the Bridge to I-5.

  • Just Move Already! September 9, 2011 (5:26 pm)

    Maybe if everyone who worked north of downtown moved to the part of town their job was in we wouldnt have all this traffic. Work in Fremont? Move to Fremont. Work on the East Side? Move to the East Side. Or else get a job in West Seattle. I live, work and shop in West Seattle, my communte is 5 minutes, 6 if I get stuck at the one traffic light between my house and my job. And I dont need any signs to tell me where to go or what routes fastest, thus saving taxpayer dollars. Live, work, shop local. Doesn’t get any greener than that. And I’m not even a hippie lib.

  • Larry Richards September 9, 2011 (8:00 pm)

    Author assumes Seattle traffic policy engineers want cars to actually move. I gave up and moved out of town 10 years ago. Only viable solution.

  • JN September 9, 2011 (8:03 pm)

    Oh no! People can’t use their 2-ton gas-guzzling monsters to drive to work without any hindrance whatsoever? Hey, guess what, adaptability is the hallmark of humanity! If you fail to adapt to changing conditions you perish.

  • Todd_ September 9, 2011 (8:08 pm)

    Thanks for sending a message to the city.

  • hammondbacon September 9, 2011 (9:43 pm)

    James, it takes you a minimum of forty-five minutes to drive to Fremont in the mornings? I have a suggestion. Even with all the construction activity along East Marginal Way through downtown, I can get to Fremont in forty-five minutes from my place at 35th and Morgan very easily … on my bicycle. Oh, and I’m 66 years old. Try it … you’ll like it. Ditch the car and live longer as well.

  • Yossarian September 9, 2011 (10:25 pm)

    I applaud this guy’s efforts in at least applying some critical thinking in regards to our shameful traffic problem. It’s miles ahead of what I hear from SDOT:(

  • Curtis September 9, 2011 (11:38 pm)

    I just read this whole thread. Took Almost as long as the commute on Thursday! I have several thoughts.

    First of all, I can’t believe the arrogance of you “just take the bus” folks. Metro has a wonderful bus system for people who work on 3rd avenue monday through friday 9 to 5. For the rest of us it is useless. And for the poster who told us all to just put our kids on the bus, you clearly haven’t a clue as to how the SPS bus system works.

    For all you tunnel whiners, you need to get a grip. The current viaduct was never, ever, ever going to be retrofit. A new viaduct would have meant a complete tear down and rebuild. I have read people freaking out over a 9 day closure and blaming it on the tunnel. Had we gone for a new viaduct, it would have been a multiple year closure! And then there’s the “don’t build anything” crowd. Tracy doesn’t allow profanity on here so I can’t really address you folks.

    As for the SDOT, I think the biggest mistake they are making is not plugging the heck out of 4th avenue as the best way downtown. The 4th ave offramp is dang near empty as is 4th ave south. The SDOT traffic plan calls for 4th ave to replace the viaduct as the way to get from West Seattle TO Downtown. The Tunnel will replace the viaduct as the way to get THROUGH downtown.

    Lastly, today’s commute was a breeze as, as Fridays often are. Still, it was quite a bit better than normal. You know who was missing this morning? The Longshoreman, that’s who. Much of the WSB problems are due to the port traffic in the mornings. If there was a way to postpone the Harbor Island freight traffic during the 7:30AM to 9:00AM commute time, the bridge would be much better.

    • WSB September 9, 2011 (11:49 pm)

      Curtis, I’m with you on the 4th Avenue thing. I even pointed that out when talking with an SDOT executive on the day WSDOT officially announced the 9-day closure dates. Said exec seemed to sort of throw it right back at me – as if we hadn’t told people about it a million times. Honestly, if you drive, and are headed into downtown, the 4th Avenue ramp totally beats trying to get into the line for the bottleneck exit to 99. It even beats waiting in line to get off the 1st Avenue South exit. By the end of the ramp, there are THREE lanes – one for heading south (toward Costco), one for heading straight ahead into the City Light yard, one for heading north toward downtown. I have never, ever been in a backup on the 4th Avenue ramp (which I took daily when going downtown for most of August to cover the Bushaw murder trial). Then once you’re off the ramp, 4th itself has fewer lights and impediments than 1st does. Wider, too, and no Pioneer Square bottleneck. It might seem a little counter-intuitive to stay on the bridge PAST the 99 exit after so many years of just reflexively doing that – but take a chance, try 4th. Geez, I sound like a public-service announcement … TR

  • Guvna September 10, 2011 (12:29 am)

    4th. I use it daily to get DT and after the bridge my commute is 5 mins. The problem is still the bridge.

  • metrognome September 10, 2011 (1:37 am)

    Wow, glad everyone agrees on the solution … NOT!! Now, just imagine you work for SDOT and you are tasked with making all of the 90 or so commenters happy, even though there is support for conflicting resolutions. Now imagine that all 90 people have promised to bombard you with e-mails until you do exactly as they have requested, nay demanded, as citizens and taxpayers who pay your salary. And this is after you’ve been branded as an incompetent by people who voluntarily chose to live on a peninsula directly accessible pretty much only by bridge with 3 traffic lanes in and 3 traffic lanes out to downtown and points north and east. And these citizens apparently never drive anywhere ouside WS as they seem completely unaware that lots of other parts of the area have construction and traffic problems and don’t have light rail or monorail or functional alternative traffic routes.

    What WS DOES have that these other places don’t is the first state liquor superstore … now I know why.

  • Knowshowtodrive September 10, 2011 (3:15 pm)

    The letter and intent to follow up is nice, but more signage will solve the problem? What sort of fantasy idea is that?!? The people who drive here know the roads and what to do. It’s not like there is huge influx daily to WS of people from other parts of the City who don’t know the drill. It’s just that WS is filled with incompetent drivers just like everywhere else in this damn city. Does driver’s ed in WA leave out entirely the training for how to merge? Because that’s what appears to have happened.

    Every single one of you who DEMAND that everyone ride the bus or bike should shut up immediately! You are apparently completely unwilling to acknowledge the reality that everyone does not have the ability to make those choices given their work and other scheduling requirements. Being sanctimonious and condescending just shows your true colors and it speaks volumes about you. And along with your demand that everyone make that choice, I suppose that you can make certain that the streets of downtown Seattle are safe for people who need to leave late at night, correct? And you can provide showers for those who ride their bikes to clean up and dress like a professional, correct? And you can make sure everyone has an additional hour or two or three every day to add to their busy schedules so they can wait for the perpetually irregular bus schedules and sit in the backed up commute that is still a problem, correct?

    As for you – Justmovealready – I assume that you must be willing to start handing out the money to fund all of these moves to our job locales what with real property values plummeting and all. Correct? Where do we all line up for you to give us the money to fund those moves? Your sanctimonious post is even move offensive and irrational than the demanding transportation/bike people. Good for you that you live and work in WS. The rest of us are living in the real world so perhaps you could leave us to it and you can continue to live in your fantasy land.

    The real problem is that NO ONE IN THIS DAMN CITY KNOWS HOW TO MERGE!!! You do NOT stop on a freeway. You merge!!!! That would put an end to most of the problems around here – oh – and if all of you would stop thinking that you are the police and need to enforce traffic laws. The WA State Patrol has had to issue statements on this subject – telling people not to try to enforce the laws themselves. Just stop it and drive and stop worrying about everyone else unless they actually interfere improperly with your driving.

    And another massive problem, the idiot Seattle Police who are doing nothing but fee generating by sitting on the bridge and ticketing. Yes, it’s illegal to use the bus lane and then cut over. But just exactly how many accidents are being caused by this? None! And the police cannot provide any stats showing it causes accidents, but they sure get to fill their ticket books and the City fills its coffers with more of our hard earned money even as they are destroying our property values. All of you wanna-be cops get annoyed and think that it backs up traffic, but if you people would just let them merge – whether or not they are breaking the law – by keeping moving then there wouldn’t be a problem. I drove for years in Southern California and never saw the level of incompetent driving that I see here on a daily basis. Just keep moving and merge! And those of you merging onto the Bridge from Delridge, you do NOT have to line up for 99 at that point. You can move out of the way and then back over so that others can get on the Bridge.

    Finally, when exactly might the City of Seattle start demanding that the port traffic change? The Port should not be allowed to let the trucks onto Seattle roads except for outside of rush hour traffic in the morning and evening. That would prevent a huge amount of the back-up but the City refuses to take that very obvious action.

    I end with a plea – COULD YOU PLEASE LEARN HOW TO MERGE?!?!?

  • Mc September 10, 2011 (6:43 pm)

    Knowshowtodrive – you hit the nail squarely on the head.
    (hehe, now you’ve really stirred the passive-aggressive hornets nest …too funny)
    Unfortunately, the (idiotic) and incompetently designed highway infrastructure – along with the parties responsible for the planning, construction, and maintenance: WADOT, SDOT, Port of Seattle – contributes significantly to the problem.

  • Dan September 10, 2011 (7:11 pm)

    as a veteran police officer and now private collision investigator, there are several issues going on here. Traffic engineers do not have common sense whatsoever when it comes to “traffic flow”, they never have and likely never will. Traffic engineers are linear thinkers, thus they don’t think of things other than the design. Secondly, Seattle drivers do not know how to merge, they are just BAD drivers, period. A national study recently rated us #148 out of 200 as the worse drivers. Thirdly, that stupid “bus” lane is ludicrous. What’s the purpose of putting in a 1/4 mile bus lane? The bus is still in the back-up approaching SR 99, then they simply have to manage merging (which bus drivers don’t know how to drive either, and are typically worse than most drivers…FACT!) then they are simply stuck in the bogged down traffic anyhow. This poorly thought idea of having a bus lane on 99 should simply be the merge lane for ALL West Seattle merging traffic….period. Besides that, the only way to make things any better is to institute a state-wide revamped, tougher driver training program AND driver re-exam program, plus making it mandatory for all driver to do a MUCH STRICTER driving test every few years, as apposed to simply testing your eyes and paying the fee to the state.

  • Karen September 12, 2011 (9:28 pm)

    How about a ferry from Fauntleroy dock to downtown Seattle. Maybe a mosquito fleet to begin with.

  • MLD September 13, 2011 (9:00 am)

    To Knowshowtodrive: You are my new favorite neighbor. You speak the truth!!!!

  • jgmirs September 14, 2011 (8:24 pm)

    I just hope all these great comments find their way to the right people!! I used to leave Wseattle a little after 7 and had no problem getting to Bellevue within 25 minutes. Now, even before 7 I’m stuck in 45 minute traffic. I’d definitely still be commuting by Metro if there was an option that worked for me (e.g. not 1.5 hours each way, via Seatac airport). I love the comments about letting kids take the bus to school and/or taking the bus yourself if your commute allows for it. I would do so in a heartbeat. But I think the merging at the last minute is really the issue. Too many drivers on the road thinking they are more of a priority than anyone else. *Sigh* I remember when … before everyone moved to this fair city from other places, everyone drove with the same gracious courtesy. But, those days are gone…

  • Nancy Folsom September 16, 2011 (8:24 am)

    All I know is, it’s all y’all’s fault. I’m doing everything perfectly. If everyone did exactly as I do and agreed with me, the world would be perfect, too.

    Seriously, this is a real issue, and will become more of an issue with the viaduct replacement and the work to be done on the Fauntleroy Expressway.

    Any traffic pattern change requires–need I say it?–changes in _our_ habits.

    I’m proposing that a group of people concerned with finding ways to tackle the problem creatively, without bickering about the past, to brainstorm ways to address the traffic issue from _every_ vantage point. It will take sensible, adult leadership.

    Who’s in?

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