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September 25, 2012 at 2:03 am #771538
jamminjMemberTrickle down has never worked. Not once.
funny how one denies 8 years of bush.
Trickle down only adds to the deficit.
It produces less job growth than trickle up.
the last 4 recessions, due to trickle down economics.
and it has produced the greatest income equality in history.
September 25, 2012 at 2:08 am #771539
jamminjMember“Foreign policy is gone.”
and the GOP policy, let’s go to another war, spend another couple trillion where we don’t need to. (so much for cutting costs)
And then when our soldiers come home, not take care of them.
that’s what the GOP is selling, and it stinks… as usual.
September 25, 2012 at 2:16 am #771540
jamminjMember“we are an increasingly smaller share of the middle class wealth of the world.”
and GOP policies only further reduces the middle class.
Under republicans, the middle-class pays higher taxes, gains slower wage growth, and loses more benefits… thus resulting in a lower demand for products and services cause they just got screwed by the gop.
September 25, 2012 at 3:39 am #771541
dhgParticipantTrickle up works. Jobs come from middle-class as well as upper. Jobs are dependent on demand, not on tax consequences. EXCEPT when personal taxes are so high that high income earners invest in high risk businesses because its a better choice than giving money to the government. Many an off-broadway play was launched in the 1960’s.
September 26, 2012 at 4:06 am #771542
redblackParticipantThe middle class is going to create the new jobs? Invest the capital?
where have you been, koo0tch?
without the middle class buying crap and investing in their own retirements – and paying taxes all the while – the upper class has nothing.
however, the numbers are all screwy. the upper class has – like – a zillion times the income and wealth of the middle class.
time to tip those scales back…
to crooked.
the way they were meant to be.
look. there would be no banks if we didn’t have money to spend and invest.
unless you admit that the banks have intentionally replaced wealth with credit, of course…
in which case, we have to rethink this whole voodoo economics thing.
September 26, 2012 at 12:19 pm #771543
kootchmanMemberThe government wants your money, They don;t want you to invest in retirement. If they did, they would drop ss.
September 26, 2012 at 1:35 pm #771544
miwsParticipantSeptember 26, 2012 at 5:45 pm #771545
oddrealityParticipantOh Kootch,Kootch,Kootch…..if you have not noticed EVERYONE wants your money. Private enterprise wants your money. They all want your money so they can spend it or lose it for you.So government or businesses..they are all looking to fleece you.
That is capitalism at work these days.
Paranoid yet??
September 27, 2012 at 4:12 am #771546
redblackParticipantodd: yeah, but the best part is that they get the big, juicy interest, too.
which is far greater than the shrinkled ™ interest rates they give us in return.
September 27, 2012 at 10:51 pm #771547
waynsterParticipantmisw close he had blank one once when a democrat got his tongue maybe once……. lmao
September 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm #771548
Genesee HillParticipantYeah, waynster. I remember the blank one. I think the kootchie kat wet on his keyboard.
September 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm #771549
c@lbobMemberFirst Iowa, now Ohio in the Obama column.
Willard must have a secret debate weapon he intends to unleash.
I’ll be watching.
September 29, 2012 at 8:07 pm #771550
waynsterParticipantEven fox has lord willard down and his court jesters rush and bill continue on Sandra Fluke…
http://www.salon.com/2012/09/28/when_the_dogs_wont_eat_the_dog_food/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/opinion/raines-fox-romney/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/09/28/polls-slanted-tell-fox-news-pollster/
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/09/28/sandra-fluke-the-student-smeared-by-limbaugh/
September 29, 2012 at 8:45 pm #771551
c@lbobMemberYa know, Waynster, I’m really trying not to get smug about Mitten’s chances, but it is getting harder, and harder not to do so.
I keep trying to figure out what Romney is going to do to get back in the race. Maybe the Rs are in cahoots with the Iranians, again. A well timed strike against Isreal?
Do the mullahs hate Obama as much as they hated Carter?
September 30, 2012 at 7:52 am #771552
HMC RichParticipantThe crazy mullahs do not fear Obama. He blew it when he didn’t help the brave Iranian citizens back in I believe 2009. They know he is weak. Do you think they would be threatening Israel and the US so much if he was strong? Get a grip.
Romney is just fine. You guys are making things up to make yourselves feel better.
September 30, 2012 at 7:56 am #771553
HMC RichParticipantLet’s Hijack the thread a bit.
Since the 99% of Occupy West Seattle seem to think Romney is 100% bad, why don’t we focus on the other guy.
I hear privacy, especially a female’s bodily choice, is very important to the left. Funny, why is there less privacy for ALL Americans since the Obamunist was elected. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/warrantless-electronic-surveillance-obama_n_1924508.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
Here is a softball. In the battleground states some of you are shouting loud that the Prez has a one or two point lead in polls. Well if you look at history, you shouldn’t trust polls too much. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/09/29/polling-industry-has-historically-underestimated-gop-vote
> The opposing party (the Democrats) had control of the House and Senate during Bush’s last two years in office, yet all and whatever happened during those two years is completely Bush’s fault. But somehow all the troubles in the country since Obama came into office are due to the opposing party having the House for 20 of Obama’s 44 months in office. Why?
> GDP in Q2 came in at 1.3%. That’s the same rate as Q2 2008 when Democrats bashed “The Bush Economy” and its well below the 4.3% we had this time in 1992 when Bush Sr. ran for re-election. Under their watch the same or better numbers was a bad thing. But now we all need to cheer poor Obama?
> Bush Sr. left Clinton an economy that gained 254,000 jobs per month and it’s considered “bad.” Obama’s economy in recent months gave us an average job growth of 94,000 jobs per month and we need to consider it great times?
> The Unemployment Rate in 1992 and when Bush 43 left office were lower than it is now; Obama’s best month in office. Furthermore, if we calculate the UR during the above two periods as we count it now (a reduced Labor Force Participation Rate), Bush Senior’s Unemployment Rate at this time would be at around 4.6% and the Rate the younger Bush left for Obama would also be well below 5%. But of course “Those Bushes” had terrible economies, but Obama’s 8.1% UR is great. Why?
> Gas prices in September were on average higher than all but two months of the Bush 43 Presidency. Have you heard anywhere about it? Why not? $4.17 for regular at the Shell station by Thriftway.
> Days before Obama came into office, the CBO projected that the FY2012 deficit will be $265 billion: It’s almost $1.2 trillion. Why does Obama get a pass?
> The National Debt rose by $3.0 trillion in Bush’s second term, which included two wars, a recession, a “worst economy since the great depression” (and a Dem Congress half the time). By contrast, the national debt rose by $5.38 trillion in less than one Obama Term even after “ending the war in Iraq” and “bringing the troops home from Afghanistan,” Which according to Dems caused SO much debt. Why are Dems ok with these Debt numbers?
> We are losing now 32 troops a month in Afghanistan; exactly double the rate we lost in Iraq when Bush left office. Why was Iraq considered a mess in late 2008 while now in 2012 Obama gets a free pass to sell Afghanistan as a war “that we are ending” despite the worse off death rate of our troops?
Speaking of reporting. Except for ABC, The mainstream press should be ashamed. The murder of our Ambassador was not due to that idiot Pastor in Florida’s video. It was a coordinated terror attack. He was tortured. He was murdered. Have we retaliated? It was another Terrorist attack
He used to be against Gay Marriage, now he is for it. Huh? A flip flop? Say it isn’t so.
D’Souza’s film 2016… just passed Gore’s Inconveniant truth in sales. But you wouldn’t know it from the lame stream media. Have any of seen it? When is it going to be shown in your kid’s classroom.
And our President got a Nobel Prize a few years back. Why did he get it again? Potential? Not being a White President? Speechifying extremely well with a TelePrompter? Maybe it was for shutting down Gitmo, and killing Bin Laden. Wait only the latter happened and that shows he is tough on terrorists…wait, can’t use that word.
Fact is, America voted for hope and change.
At least with Romney I hope there will be positive economic change. I have not seen that under the current President.
September 30, 2012 at 12:59 pm #771554
JoBParticipantHMCRich
you are right about one thing
Americans did vote for hope and change
the Republicans in the House and Senate decided the American people didn’t know what was good for them and denied any opportunity for either hope or change…
even when they got exactly what they had previously agreed to.
all to score a political point they aren’t likely to make because they thought that hope and change was just another campaign slogan.
September 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm #771555
JoBParticipantBTW HMC..
i would like to point out that democrats are well aware of the failures of their party…
and not so happy about them either.
you really should check into that coffee party thing no-one seems to be talking about…
their concerns and activism reach far beyond the next election
or the growing influence of the occupy movement in local politics…
the kids have figured out that you really do need to start from the ground up and have taken that community organizing thing to heart…
I really want to thank the republican party for pushing the American people so far that they figured out that they were going to have to do something themselves about what is happening in our nation.
the tea party is personified by it’s symbolic leader.. Glen Beck. It’s all about anger
the coffee party and occupy… no symbolic leaders rallying the masses
but plenty of action :)
it does this old lady’s heart good.
September 30, 2012 at 3:12 pm #771556
redblackParticipantpsst. hey, rich. i want you to do a little homework here.
so if pope reagan is the yard stick by which we measure all presidents, maybe you could tell me what the unemployment rate was in the third and fourth years of reagan’s first term.
gas prices: the fact that the media isn’t reporting on gas prices might have something to do with the multi-billion-dollar ad blitz that the oil industry is dropping right now.
POTUS doesn’t set oil prices. the market does. and no, i never blamed bush or congress for gas prices. but i did and do criticize their energy policies. which haven’t really changed – much – under obama.
libya: i want you to be very clear about something here, rich: are you suggesting that our response should be a declaration of war every time someone commits a terrorist act against americans?
and against whom should we be declaring war?
iran: well, i’m the other half of america, and i like the obama doctrine vis-a-vis iran.
and, no, our foreign policy should have nothing to do with israel – whose capital is tel-aviv, last time i checked. at least, that’s where our embassy is. they have billions of dollars’ worth of american planes, bombs, and nukes. let them use their own blood and treasure if they want to intimidate their neighbors or defend themselves or whatever.
hey, by the way, when is israel going to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty?
iran, israel, libya… they’re over there. i’m over here. i have no problem with those people, nor do i have any friends over there.
like obama said, “neither our allies, nor our enemies.”
i do have a problem with my government and american business roaming around the world buying up whatever they please and shooting anyone who gets in their way. so i’d like my armies and my aircraft carriers back over here, please.
October 5, 2012 at 10:26 am #771557
kootchmanMemberI agree with you on Iran….. so far. It’s working. They want to negotiate. Isreal will never sign a nuclear non proliferation treaty… and they shouldn’t…. would you rely on Obama? You forget Japan, South Korea, Australia, are under the USA nuclear umbrella…. by treaty. Israel is not. Israel is not running all over the world ..at the UN, in the press…threatening to wipe Islam and Arabs off the face of the map either. I can make that distinction.
Some Obama administration facts
Incomes Declined More During The Recovery Than The Recession
Median household income fell 6.7 percent between June 2009, when the recession technically ended, and June 2011, according to a Census Bureau study cited by The New York Times. That’s more than the 3.2 percent incomes fell during the recession, between 2007 and 2009
His “5 million” new jobs? (lie)
The U.S. Has Gained A Lot Of Low-Wage Jobs During The Recovery. (See Romney teach Obama Economics… good jobs increase wages and revenues, Food stamp jobs do not.)
Welcome to the U.S. of Low-Wage America. Most of the jobs lost during the recession paid middle wages, while most of those gained during the recovery were low-wage jobs, according to a recent study from the National Employment Law Project.
You were all told … Dodd Frank was a turkey and it was…
Too Big To Fail Banks Have Grown Under Obama
At the end of 2011, five big banks, including Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase, held 56 percent of the U.S. economy, according to Bloomberg, compared to 43 percent five years earlier. That’s right, the too-big-to-fail banks have actually gotten bigger.
Goldman And Other Wall St. Firms Have Largely Escaped Punishment For Their Role In The Financial Crisis. Obama wants no public trials and disclosure of how banks and government were in collusion… embarassing to Democrats…
Income Inequality Is Worse Under Obama Than Under Bush
The rich took home a greater share of America’s income pie from 2009 to 2010 than they did between 2002 and 2007, according to an April analysis from Emmanuel Saez, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley. That means the gap between the rich and the poor was more pronounced under Obama’s presidency than under George W. Bush’s.
Prosecution For Financial Fraud Hit A 20-Year Low During The Obama Administration
Despite Obama’s promises to crack down on Wall Street, federal prosecutions of financial fraud hit a 20-year low last year, according to a November study from a watchdog group.
who’s your daddy?
October 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm #771558
JoBParticipantkootch
who’s your daddy?
NEW ROMNEY VIDEO: In 1985, He Said Bain Would “Harvest” Companies for Profits
and his trusty side-kick
this is the America they want for you
which is why Romney’s debate performance is full of so many glaring whoppers..
trust me, they say…
and you are buying it because you think you are going to harvest your little chunk of pirate loot and escape some place where they will leave you and your little nest egg alone.
think again kootch
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Yes Smitty, i know these articles are from Mother Jones.. but the videos.. pure Romney and Ryan
You really should hear what they had to say before they smiled into that camera and said “trust me”
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