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October 23, 2008 at 1:58 am #588459
AnonymousInactiveI found this to be incredibly appropriate for this forum:
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/20/believers_in_obama
October 23, 2008 at 2:10 am #644534
AnonymousInactive*In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others.*
October 23, 2008 at 2:33 am #644535
AnonymousInactiveSince I know that you (JT) read the article I linked to, I’ll have to assume, from your post, that you just couldn’t come up with a rebuttal to the point of the article.
I’m gonna take the lead from WSMom, I’ve decided, and just post important links that I believe should be read. Here’s two:
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/21/polls_and_pols
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/17/record_versus_rhetoric
This is for my fellow (silent) conservatives (LBG)!
October 23, 2008 at 2:45 am #644536
GenHillOneParticipantAs has been stated before, I think you’ll be hard-pressed to find many who give credence to a link with Ann Coulter’s name on it. This blog has Coulter, and other charming notables, listed as contributing content; along with typos and Reagan/Bush’84 tee shirts for sale. Oh my. Anything attached to such a hateful person holds no validity in my mind; not worthy of discussion.
October 23, 2008 at 2:52 am #644537
AnonymousInactiveAnd here’s another one (from a forum favorite, no less!):
October 23, 2008 at 2:55 am #644538
WSMomParticipanthttp://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/10/httpwwwpoliticocomnewsstories1.html
Undecided
by David Sedaris
I love David Sedaris. You must read this link :)
“When doubting that anyone could not know whom they’re voting for, I inevitably think back to November, 1968. Hubert Humphrey was running against Richard Nixon, and when my mother couldn’t choose between them she had me do it for her. It was crazy. One minute I was eating potato chips in front of the TV, and the next I was at the fire station, waiting with people whose kids I went to school with. When it was our turn, we were led by a woman wearing a sash to one of a half-dozen booths, the curtain of which closed after we entered.
“Go ahead,” my mother said. “Flick a switch, any switch.”
I looked at the panel in front of me.
“Start on the judges or whatever and we’ll be here all day, so just pick a President and make it fast. We’ve wasted enough time already.”
“Which one do you think is best?” I asked.
“I don’t have an opinion,” she told me. “That’s why I’m letting you do it. Come on, now, vote.””
October 23, 2008 at 3:33 am #644539
angelescrestParticipantAnd, may I add David Sedaris’ analogy concerning undecided voters (from The New Yorker/Oct. 27th):
“To put them in perspective, I think of being on an airplane. The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. ‘Can I interest you in the chicken?’ she asks. ‘Or would you prefer the platter of sh*t with bits of broken glass in it?’ “
October 23, 2008 at 3:47 am #644540
ZenguyParticipantNR, you should read your own post, look in the mirror and stop assuming so much!
October 23, 2008 at 3:50 am #644541
CaitParticipantDavid Sedaris is amazing.
I love how a post started to stir up crap has turned into one about David Sedaris. This is the only place that he and Ann Coulter would end up in the same conversation lol.
I would like to see a post that originates from a website that Ann Coulter doesn’t use as her personal stable for stomping in her own crap and babbling from her horse mouth.
October 23, 2008 at 3:50 am #644542
MrJTMemberSecond that motion.
October 23, 2008 at 4:07 am #644543
angelescrestParticipantI cannot believe she was quoted on here–ever. Defies logic, civility, humaneness…rational thought.
October 23, 2008 at 5:21 am #644544
JanSParticipanthere’s an opinion..mine…this thread was started not because the OP wanted to start some thoughtful exchanges, but it was started just to get under somene’s skin, to be disrespectful, if you will. I will never understand why someone who thinks so little of most of us on here, who belittles us, who feels that her knowledge is far superior to more than half the people in this country, yet reads and believes in Ann Coulter…I don’t understand why someone who , in MY OPINION, is these things (observation is a key), still wants to hang on herewith us Ignorants (yes, I know, you didn’t use that term…I said it was my opinion of why you’re posting this). It’s simply to rile up the masses, I believe, and we bite every time. Will anything change the OP’s opinion of us and herself? Not on your life. Angelescrest, not only do your terms describe Ann Coulter, it describes this thread being started.
When my marriage was breaking up, and there were numerous fights, a good friend told me that as long as I responded to his goading, I was feeding the monster, and it would happen over and over again. Maybe, just maybe, some of us need to heed that advice…I know I do..thanks…it’s been nice knowin’ya, NR..
October 23, 2008 at 5:28 am #644545
acemotelParticipantthe simplistic Republican arguments being recycled over and over again, never gaining any traction, are tiresome.
First, we know less about Ms. Alaska than we do about Obama. Ms. Alaska has been on the national scene for weeks as opposed to Obama’s years.
The contention that we know nothing about Obama is an attempt to plug into the mythology of the black man as “the other:” unknowable, mysterious, dangerous.
In fact, Obama has a national public record of his positions and votes in the US senate. He has published two books of intimate details regarding his thoughts, ideas, dreams, fears, hopes, and ideology. He has revealed the most personal facts about his genealogy, relationships and family life.
Secondly, the change argument in the article is hardly worthy of response. The author contends that change *can* be worse than the status quo, citing the abuses of czarist Russia v. the abuses of the communist government. What’s the point? Is the author equating Bush’s administration to “despotic regimes in China, Cuba and Iran” (aided by the US, BTW) or to Nicholas II? ha ha ha
The argument doesn’t go anywhere, especially when MCain is selling himself as the #1 change agent.
Just like Ms. Alaska, the article is vacuous and vapid. There’s no There there.
October 23, 2008 at 5:30 am #644546
acemotelParticipantGood points JanS. I agree. It’s pointless.
October 23, 2008 at 6:09 am #644547
TheHouseMemberNR, the editorial in your original post is dead on accurate despite the denial of most liberals.
I for one am quite tired of debating with people that are so entrenched in their way of thinking that any other way of thinking is wrong (especially in text). Just look at the thread on “Red States”. Even though I believe that it was mostly written as comedy, I wouldn’t be surprised if that person truly felt that way considering some of the other things she’s posted.
The fact of the matter, most of the people on this blog are in the minority regarding their feelings. WS Blog is not a true cross-section of the United States.
If by chance we move to a Socialist President next year, they will pay their dues. If you think the economy is bad now, just wait until Obama goes into office.
October 23, 2008 at 6:35 am #644548
JanSParticipantand the same could be same about you..from your first paragraph. The editorial in the original post is just that…an editorial…one man’s opinion, not based in fact, as are most editorials.We all reaize that, you must, too.Everyone is entrenched, including you.You seethose who don’t believe as you do as somehow deluded,I’m sure.
Buzzwords:socialist, communist,you repeat what the “word-slingers”say,you read it enough and you start to believe it.I’m not saying that those who lean to the left are any better…we all believe what we want to believe, you included. The fact is, if Barack Obama becomes president, you are not privy to any more information than anyone else, and none of us, not you, or Pat Buchanan, or Fox News, or me, or anyone, can really say exactly what will happen in this country.
I know what you’re hoping…but it’sall speculation.
October 23, 2008 at 7:44 am #644549
AnonymousInactiveHouse, you really have no room to talk. When confronted with legitimate facts to counter your beliefs of Obama you simply disappear or suddenly find the discussion isn’t worth your time.
I almost always source my response from a news article or if it is opinion, state so. I don’t source from Daily Kos or Move-on.org or the like. And I put a lot of time into that research.
The conservatives represented here rarely use a news source. Rarely use any source, and if they do, it is almost always an op-ed even to the point of plagiarizing and passing it off as their own thoughts. And not just any op-ed. They come from places like Townhall.com, freerepublic, and worldnetdaily.
I really used to enjoy your input. It’s always optimum to understand where others are coming from. Anymore there’s nothing original or interesting. It’s become parroting of the worst of your side. To borrow a sentiment from you and NR, sad.
October 23, 2008 at 7:26 pm #644550
JoBParticipantI admit it’s hard to get past the hype about Obama to find the man…not his hype but that projected by our media.
Getting to know who he is is simple. Go to his website. Read his history. Look at his voting record… he even has a voting record during this campaign. Read how he plans to deal with the economic mess we are in. Read how he plans to deal with the war that is bankrupting our nation. Read how he plans to deal with any issue that is important to you.
Because if you choose to get your information about Obama from the McCain camp reflected through our national media, you aren’t going to learn much… and what you learn will be dead wrong.
I can understand the exasperation of the Obama supporter in that town hall article. Perhaps the real story contained far more than the quoted final remarks.
My guess is that this woman has been responding for months to her McCain supporting sibling and is simply exhausted from her inability to get them to read or consider anything they don’t already believe.
That is what made JTs comment so relevant.
Suporters of both campaigns should educate themselves on the reality of the opponents platform… not the sixty second news bite explaining it for you on national tv.
If you want to know where the candidates stand on the issues, go to their websites and read what they say they will do.
then go to some of the independent websites like fact check and see what the consequences of their policies will be.
it won’t take long… and is certainly more illuminating than endlessly posting links to opinion sites.
Pay close attention to what Senator McCain says and then what he does… his voting record speaks volumes about his true political beliefs…
as does Bomb bomb iran.
Getting to know Senator McCain better will make you worry less about how much you know about Senator Obama.
Yes, he is likely to make mistakes.. but his possible mistakes pale against the consequences of Senator McCains intentions.
or.. you can choose to listen only to those who will tell you what you think you already know and let your ignorance lead you to false conclusions…
and that statement btw was not political…
it has nothing to do with your party affiliation.. but everything to do with your willingness to learn and assimilate new information in changing times…
the very skills that will be necessary to successfully negotiate the coming difficulties we are all about to face.
October 23, 2008 at 8:11 pm #644551
Tonya42MemberThomas Sowell is a senior fellow at Stanford and one of the most brilliant people on the planet.
If you dare to read it you may see why conservatives think the way they do. He represents pretty much everything I admire in a person.
He’s black. He’s concervative and he is brilliant.
October 23, 2008 at 8:21 pm #644552
AnonymousInactiveTwo things are interesting to me after reading the ensuing comments here.
First, the accusation that I would start a thread and post articles of importance and interest (to the conservative reader – or anyone interested in looking at the flip side) as an attempt to “stir things up”.
I do not support Obama and do not hold the same views or opinions of the Democratic Party, yet, if a link, article or video is shared here with that bend to it, should I consider the poster is “trying to stir things up” with Republicans? No, I’ve never thought that and the inability to extend the same courtesies to the “other” side is rampant and overwhelming here (Please note: House’s thread).
Second, I find it extremely presumptuous for anyone (who does not speak with me personally on a day to day basis) to assume that I have not educated myself on the issues and where each candidate stands. I can only guess that, simply because I believe differently than most of you, you have to convince yourself that I just don’t know any better or am stupid. Knock yourself out, but you really should understand, as House mentioned, the majority of posters on this forum are not an accurate indication of the rest of America.
Now, without further ado, I will carry on sharing interesting articles with those lurking conservatives (and again, anyone else who cares to look into the “other” side – the dark side)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122471822552260585.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122471696933660407.html
Enjoy.
October 23, 2008 at 8:49 pm #644553
JenVMemberMcCain’s temper – the top ten list:
http://www.eyesonobama.com/blog/content/id_20167/title_McCains-History-of-Blow-Ups-The-Top-Ten/
October 23, 2008 at 9:38 pm #644554
AnonymousInactiveLet this article serve as proof that I actually get information from unbiased, non-partisan sources as well:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/129420.html
What I find most interesting in this article, is not the fact that it paints both candidates in a bad light, but it completely shatters the mystical belief that most liberals hold for Obama. I think most people voting for Obama truly believe that he will magically fix our country (however vague he is when discussing exactly HOW), but it would be extremely advantageous for these same people to do more research, obviously.
October 23, 2008 at 9:44 pm #644555
ariettaParticipantI’m with ya, JanS (edited to specify post #12). Anything else is a complete waste of time.
October 23, 2008 at 9:44 pm #644556
beachdrivegirlParticipantI will have to read the article lager, NR. I do try to read all linsk posted and enjoy (although I dont always agre with) when a McCain supporter posts on here.
As an Obama supporter, I can say, that I do not think he is going to go to office and fix everything. And most of those that I talk with in life dont feel that way either. i think most just think he is a step in the direction that we feel is best for our future.
I’ll let you know what I think once I read the article.
October 23, 2008 at 9:44 pm #644557
charlabobParticipantUnbiased non partisan sources? Hardly. Raise taxes? Yup — and making Bush’s tax cuts permanent “raises taxes” as well — only on the bottom 90 percent of the population.
Taxes redistribute wealth. The current scheme distributes wealth to the wealthy. Some of us see the logical and moral flaw in that.
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