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    gxnx
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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/06/23/why-the-city-of-seattle-and-their-police-department-is-in-trouble/#15702ddacb1a

    WHY SEATTLE IS IN TROUBLE
    Only in Seattle do the tree trimmers make $160,000 per year!

    Today, our investigation is an Editor’s Pick at Forbes: Why Seattle And Their Police Department Is In Trouble.

    Our auditors dug into how Seattle is actually spending taxpayer dollars. We found:

    tree trimmers lopped off $160,604
    the chief librarian made $197,704
    electricians earned $271,070
    electrical lineworkers made $307,387
    police officers earned up to $414,543
    Last year, 601 city employees out-earned the mayor ($199,593), and the mayor out-earned 49 out of 50 state governors (top pay: $202,000).

    The city council member ($131,336) leading the charge to defund the police made more than the members of the New York general assembly — the most highly compensated state legislature in the country ($130,000).
    Read our breaking oversight piece at Forbes where we outline all the details.

    #981677

    gxnx
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    Raise our taxes!!

    #981689

    heartless
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    So you think cops are paid too much?

    #981696

    Willie Murderface
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    #981713

    Seriously?
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    1. Provide proof that even one police officer in Seattle earning close to half a million bucks a year.
    2. The “data” found in the article is provided by a website that also happens to be owned and operated by the writer of the article – and that seems to be the only place the “data” is pulled from.
    3. Tax religion and Amazon

    #981776

    gxnx
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    the data is from forbes.com.
    City of Seattle employees are highly paid and have the most secured jobs-no layoffs.
    What do the librarians do when the libraries are closed?

    #981780

    heartless
    Participant

    GXNX:

    Do you think the cops are paid too much?

    #981784

    Seriously?
    Participant

    The article was published on Forbes.com. The author of the article is:
    Adam Andrzejewski Senior Contributor.

    Looking at the first graphic in the article, underneath it, there is a credit to: OPENTHEBOOKS.COM

    There is a short bio about the author at the end of the article. I have cut and pasted it here.

    Adam Andrzejewski (say: Angie-eff-ski) is the CEO & Founder of OpenTheBooks.com – one of the largest private databases of government spending in the world. Our mission: “Every Dime, Online, In Real Time.” We’ve captured 5 billion public-sector transactions including 23 million public employee salary and pension records. I’ve spoken on big data journalism at Harvard Law School; Georgetown Law School; and the Columbia School of Journalism. My work has been featured at major national news platforms such as C-SPAN; Good Morning America and ABC World News Tonight; USA Today; The Wall Street Journal; The New York Times; National Public Radio (NPR); FOX News; and CNN. My Forbes online columns have over 7 million page views.

    As he is a senior contributor to Forbes and the CEO of the website used to source the data, leads me to doubt his data, especially as he provides no cross references or parameters for how the information was/is collected. Numbers and statistics can be manipulated to prove whatever it is you are trying to prove. Numbers may not “lie,” but if an author manipulates said numbers to reflect favorably on their thesis – that is, in my opinion, questionable data.

    I am pointing this out, not in an effort to be a “troll” or trying to bait someone into an argument. I point this out to show that we cannot take everything we read, see or hear at face value – especially when it comes from the internet. Follow up on the author – what are their credentials and affiliation with the publisher or information they are sharing? Follow links to websites mentioned in the articles – what are those websites and where did they get their information from? Who are they affiliated with? In a time where it is easier than ever to spread misinformation, it falls on all of us to take the responsibility to investigate the validity of any articles or information we are sharing and/or reading.

    Be safe, be well and be happy!

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Seriously?. Reason: clarifying a statement
    #981751

    anonyme
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    Seriously? I completely agree with #3.

    #981775

    Michael Waldo
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    I too find this article dubious. But, I don’t have an issue with professionals making good money. Seattle is an expensive city to live in. My wife and I have a combined 6 figure income and are thinking about moving as we can’t afford the continuing raise in property taxes and utility bills. And I really don’t mind police being paid well. They go out every day and encounter the worst of humanity the rest of us call 911 about. The majority of police are just doing their jobs to protect and serve. Just because there are a few bad cops doesn’t mean we should eliminate all cops. Reform is over due. The house passed a great police reform bill that can be a model for state and local governments. To call for help with the mentally ill, there needs to be, instead of calling 911, another number that would summon mental health professionals. Put the police back to their main job, investigate and solve crimes.

    #981824

    gxnx
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    What, you make 6 figures income and still can’t afford?

    There is something wrong….I bet you have 4 cars, a boat and lots of toys and a high maintenance lifestyles.

    #981862

    2 Much Whine
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    Yah, Michael Waldo you probably have to pay for healthcare and maybe you are paying back student loans or paying into a 401K to be able to retire some day since pensions are a thing of the past. Maybe you’re paying into a college fund for your kids or paying property taxes to support light rail and education. How dare you be so frivolous. How dare you live such a high maintenance lifestyle!

    #981896

    mark47n
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    You may want to dig into whether or not those numbers include costs other than just wages paid. Wages paid to electricians that are employed by the City of Seattle are about $40/hr and linemen earn about $50/hr. These numbers do not jibe with the actual people doing the work earn. This looks far more like a hatchet job.

    #981909

    Michael Waldo
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    hey gxnx – now I know you are just anther internet troll. Attacking me personally when you know nothing about me. Your attack against me is insensitive, unnecessary, untrue and does not respond to the topic. And a sign you don’t like being called out on such a dubious post.

    #982004

    gxnx
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    West Seattle Island- home of palm trees and beautiful bountiful coconut trees. Maybe they should not rebuilt the bridge, less pollution, less traffic and quiet island living in the city.
    Closed all the roads leading to W. Seattle like they do to Key West.

    #982005

    gxnx
    Participant

    Nobody is forcing you to live in Seattle, you are welcome to move to Topeka KS…cheaper

    Cost of living is high in Seattle because people vote the wrong people in the Clown-council.
    Property taxes gone up because………….of paying for teachers, Union strong hold.
    It is always about money and control.

    #982015

    heartless
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    Michael Waldo,

    Yep, I agree, just a troll.

    I had a suspicion when there was no response after I directly asked gxnx what their point was, and if they thought cops were overpaid. Never a good sign when you try to start a good faith dialog and get ignored!

    #982079

    gxnx
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    I just heard from the Dory Monson’s show, Kiro Radio and he even got the guy from openthebooks on his show about the fat pension city employees get and the taxpayers’ have to pony up.
    I am just a messenger and not an internet roll.

    Don’t you guys listen to the news?

    #982094

    HappyOnAlki
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    Um, Gxnx, Dory Monson’s show is not exactly the news . . . .

    #982136

    mark47n
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    Pensions are generally listed as “deferred income” meaning that yo accept less money up front for your work and have it made up upon retirement. It’s one of the reasons why public sector jobs pay less.

    Dory Monson is news like Fox is news. lopsided, selective and loaded, if not all, opinion.

    #982146

    gxnx
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    “why public sector jobs pay less.”

    are you sure????

    So where do you get your news?

    #982569

    gxnx
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    Be prepared to pay more next year just to live in Seattle.
    Thanks to our poor elected weeny leaders that you elected.

    #982577

    heartless
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    Nobody is forcing you to live in Seattle, you are welcome to move to Topeka KS…cheaper

    #982578

    gxnx
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    @hearthless…you are correct and that what I have been telling those that B*&^^tch about the high taxes,the high cost of living and the elected officials that they voted.

    #982653

    J242
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