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April 11, 2008 at 7:49 am #621629
JanSParticipantthat doesn’t mean I have to like and support this “war”…just sayin’…..and although I feel that way, it’s my right as a voting American citizen to have those thoughts. I am no less patriotic because I don’t support this war…I don’t think it will easily be ended…and I feel that when it does end , it will prove to be catastrophic for the citizens of Iraq. To those who feel that because I do not support the “war” that I don’t also support the troops, get over yourselves. I’d like to support them all the way home. Talk about war heros….we can’t count them all, I’m afraid. One doesn’t have to be a POW to be a hero. Just sayin’ :)
April 11, 2008 at 2:36 pm #621630
JoBParticipantNewResident…
would you be happier if we blamed Cheney? Or how about Karl Rove and the guys in the think tank that Cheney and Rove came from?… i can’t remember it’s name…
Cheney told America after the first go round in Iraq with Bush’s dad exactly why we shouldn’t get ourselves into Iraq and stay there.. and he was dead right.
He predicted everything that has happened with startling accuracy.
So who was the cowboy who thought we could get in and out with surgical precision and leave Iraq without any stabilizing influence… without the support and assistance of the countries surrounding it?
Obviously someone without any Military background… and little or no sense of political reality.
This was and is a stupid war. It was an opportunistic strike to remove Saddam Hussein….
the only trouble is now we are left holding the bag in Iraq.
So, who do you think is responsible for that?
And why did we really do it?
Those are useful questions if for not other reason than to prevent it happening again.
April 11, 2008 at 5:45 pm #621631
AnonymousInactiveYou want to talk about impeaching Bush because of this war, I find that ridiculous.
I will remind you all that Clinton lied under oath, looked America in the eye and lied. He was disbarred and can never practice law again.
You assume that Bush has lied to you because you do not agree with this war (of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion), however my point only is that you (nor I) have all of the facts, all the intelligence before you that the Government had when it made that decision to engage in war.
We KNOW that Clinton lied to us. We do not KNOW that Bush has lied to us. You THINK he did because so and so said this and so and so is saying this….etc. I’m just trying to (and I don’t think very well) point out that one President DID break the law, the other has not.
April 11, 2008 at 8:38 pm #621632
JoBParticipantNew resident..
today is not the day to list all of the impeachable offenses that George W Bush has committed.. unless someone else wants to do it for me… or the internet sets it in my lap…
Clinton tried to cover up the fact that he had indeed gotten friendly with Monica and that she had given him a b…j..
he didn’t want his wife to know.. and if it hadn’t been for a dress that monica saved for bragging rights… his marriage would likely have been less troubled for his efforts.
should he have fessed up to his wife.. taken the heat from her and told Ken Starr the truth. Yup..
that would have been easier in the long run. but i suspect that option didn’t look so good for that husband that day…
I still want to know why we were paying a federal special prosecutor to monitor Clinton’s sex life.
Can you answer that one? because we taxpayers spent a ton of cash.. and that one lie about his sex life is all we got out of it…
and that wasn’t even a real lie.. it was a lie by omission.
Did he have sexual relations with Monica? Who knows if he was actively involved or not? We know Monica had sexual relations with him.
But he knew the intent of the question and probably should have answered the intent.
and.. i think he voluntarily surrendered his license to practice law in the state of Arkansas..
I truly wish that’s all this president had done.
i am going back to my gardens.. thiswas just a rest break.
i will try one search to find the link i am looking for.. and them am off again.
April 11, 2008 at 8:44 pm #621633
JoBParticipantNewResident
the internet is such a useful tool…
i don’t know if this is the best article on George W Bush’s impeachable offenses.. but it was the first one i encountered..
and it is so matter of fact and reasonable and relates impeachable offenses by other Presidents as well..
so i thought it might be something you would actually enjoy reading.
http://www.antiwar.com/eland/index.php?articleid=8282
I am back to the outdoors:) dirty nails and all.
April 11, 2008 at 9:15 pm #621634
AnonymousInactiveJoB – I respect you and your views, you know that. But to blow off (no pun intended) Clinton’s offenses because he was just trying to keep his wife from finding out, so, really, it is not a big deal, is a ridiculous argument.
He committed perjury. I’m not going to argue or engage in whether it was wrong, or not wrong because nobody got hurt. I expect my President to have higher standards than to fool around on his wife, then lie about it under oath. I guess that is the difference between you and I.
You have even gone so far as to claim that Clinton was innocent and Monica is the only one at fault. Monica wasn’t married, or the President of the United States.
You have yet to prove to me, without quoting someone else’s opinion, where the proof is that states we should not have gone to war. Show me (or lead me to) the document that describes there was no reason to suspect relations with al-Queda (s?) or other terrorist groups. Where is the document that proves Bush lied to America? Because someone says it, doesn’t make it so.
And I read your link. It is a liberals’ opinion with the use of the word “probably” thrown in too many times. Of course he’s upset! The web site is called “anti-war”!
April 11, 2008 at 10:07 pm #621635
charlabobParticipantIt’s been a while since I’ve had to document opposition to the Iraq war, but, in the meantime, I present to you another view of the administration’s run-up to and conduct of the war, as well as their bizarre attacks on antiwar voices.
Introducing, that leftwing traitor — Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, imnho, a true american(sic) hero and patriot — and I wouldn’t vote for him either :-)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501450.html
April 11, 2008 at 10:21 pm #621636
SAMemberApril 11, 2008 at 10:32 pm #621637
AnonymousInactiveAgain, that’s an opinion. That’s your opinion. Two quotes doesn’t prove much. The second quote, he is not connecting Saddam with 9/11. He is including the incident of 9/11 as an example of a terrorist organization (one of many), in trying to explain the war on terrorism.
April 11, 2008 at 10:36 pm #621638
AnonymousInactiveYes, this is a liberal magazine, but searched quite awhile on google to see if any one disputes it.
Title: Lie by lie timeline
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/
Random excerpt from 1/1/2003
The CIA finally balks at being assigned over and over to confirm what it viewed as phony intelligence, according to a later report in The Washington Post. In an angry dispute, CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin tells Cheney’s aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, “I’m not going back to the well on this. We’ve done our work.”
April 11, 2008 at 10:38 pm #621639
charlabobParticipantApril 11, 2008 at 10:47 pm #621640
AnonymousInactiveGoodness Gracious, JT!!! Quite a find. I will definitely pour over that, but I will need some time. Yes, it is liberal, so I will be looking for specific things to see that nothing was left out, but I’m sure I’ll learn some stuff along the way. Thanks for the link.
April 11, 2008 at 10:52 pm #621641
KayleighMemberApril 12, 2008 at 1:25 am #621642
JoBParticipantnew resident..
go to wikipedia…
they don’t say we should impeach…
they just list all the offenses that have been reported as impeachable
April 12, 2008 at 1:34 am #621643
JoBParticipantNewResident…
I really don’t care how my President’s live their private lives as long as they don’t open themselves up to blackmail.
Private lives are private… and thus.. none of my business.
i have to think Clinton did open himself up to blackmail or Monica wouldn’t have still had the stained dress.
Apparently what she wanted was her five minutes of fame… and Ken Starr made sure she got it.
If it hadn’t been a republican congress fueling this witch hunt he never would have been asked in the first place. And i believe it was wrong from start to finish…
I don’t blame Monica for the b…j.. but she did come from the Portland area and someone came forward… this wasn’t the first time she had been similarly involved with a married man…
so i don’t feel sorry for her either.
April 12, 2008 at 1:44 am #621644
AnonymousInactiveI don’t think anyone does.
April 16, 2008 at 7:19 pm #621645
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=166242&title=house-of-pain
“The United States does not condone torture.”
April 17, 2008 at 1:00 am #621646
WSMomParticipantIn reference to the above “Daily Show” link, I received this in my inbox from “Decomcrat.com”:
“After George Bush told ABC News he personally approved of the approval of torture – including waterboarding – you’d think the story would be front page news, not just on Countdown and The Daily Show.
But you’d be wrong. There has been absolutely no news coverage and a handful of editorials in the Brattleboro (Vt.) Reformer, Kansas City Star, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, and Tuscaloosa (Ala.) News.”
April 17, 2008 at 8:56 pm #621647
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-17-ap-yahoo-poll-mccain-even_N.htm
“The poll found that John McCain, who has already wrapped up the Republican party nomination, has pulled even with the two Democrats.”
Come on dems, we can’t have 4 more years of McSame
April 18, 2008 at 5:00 am #621648
TheHouseMemberThe only thing that keeps me going is that i know that there are people out there reading this understand that our current President acted in the best interest of the United States given the information that was available to him. These same people also understand what difficult decisions had to be made by him after 9/11. These people understand that leadership means making very difficult decisions. These people understand that mistakes occur. These people also realize that placing blame does nothing. These people realize that the only conspiracy theory is in the mind of liberals that believe that our current government wants to do nothing more than “piss on the constitution”. These people understand that you should not simply listen to ABC, CBS, CNN or Fox News to form an opinion. These people choose not to be followers of “change”. These people also do not speak or blog out of passion, so you don’t know that they’re out there. But, they are!
:)
Can’t wait to debate with you libs Saturday night. You better start reading up!
April 18, 2008 at 5:59 am #621649
AnonymousInactiveI don’t believe in a conspiracy. I believe Bush acted in our best interests for about 5 minutes after 9/11. After that, I believe the actions of this administration are criminal. I don’t believe in blame, I believe in prosecution.
I don’t form my beliefs based on any of the news sources you quote, and I don’t know any one else who does. We all understand these are commercial business ventures, not journalism. I’m not interested in a protracted debate with you or any one else. I’m interested in getting someone in office who will begin the task of fixing all the *mistakes* that occurred during this administration.
April 18, 2008 at 6:02 am #621650
charlabobParticipantThose were the 5 minutes during which he was staring into space and listening to kids read My Pet Goat, right?
It’s good to have you back, House. I’m sure someone has missed you. heheheLOL :-)
April 18, 2008 at 8:04 am #621651
JanSParticipantCharla, you are bad – lol…and remember, he was reading the book upside down, I recall.
I would love it if we could call ourselves good people with differences of opinion instead of “libs” and “neocons” ….House, you say “libs” like it’s a swear word. Was I that offensive to you, because my beliefs are different than yours?
Come on Saturday night to have a good time, share a drink, talk about what a great community we live in. Don’t come just to get a rise out of, come to have fun and raise a big amount of
April 18, 2008 at 2:32 pm #621652
JoBParticipanthouse…
“These people understand that you should not simply listen to ABC, CBS, CNN or Fox News to form an opinion.”
these are the same news sources who are such bastions of liberal propaganda that they felt our President admitting he knew about the memo authorizing torture isn’t news?
oh please… if the republicans aren’t watching them to form an opinion.. how are they staying in business?
ever wonder what else they feel isn’t news?
i lost my curiosity about them long ago when i stopped watching most of their programming…
i prefer a little entertainment with my news.. not the other way around.
April 18, 2008 at 3:45 pm #621653
walfredoMemberhttp://www.cogitamusblog.com/2008/04/question-for-th.html
Now that media bias, and quite frankly incompetence, has become a topic of conversation. Above is a link to a great series of questions that raise the point of the media bias towards John McSame.
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