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February 28, 2013 at 4:45 am #784800
HMC RichParticipantJoB, The NYT was Obama centered. How about Bob Woodward. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/27/us-usa-fiscal-woodward-idUSBRE91Q11620130227
So who are we to believe.
Wakeflood. Considering the Reid, Schumer and others aren’t doing their job and passing a budget, nothing you say about a Freshman senator holds any weight with me since all he can do is ask questions. To me, they, the Democratic Senators and many RINO’s, have lost their minds.
Remember, Schumer said nothing was wrong with Fannie and Freddie, when action would have helped us. Reid says the US electorate STINKS. The comtempt they hold for the electorate is appalling. Personally, I can forgive Cruz for going outside the “boundaries” because he is new to the game. But as for the Soc…progressives I am guessing you support, I fear for our country. The McCain’s and Grahams have tried to be moderate and basically the liberals win. They have been there way to long. Fact is, your Democratically controlled Senate is hurting the country and kicking the can down the road on too many issues while not being “fiscally responsible”. To not pass a budget for four years is hogwash and you know it.
February 28, 2013 at 5:09 am #784801
wakefloodParticipantFebruary 28, 2013 at 9:53 am #784802
JanSParticipantLindsey Graham moderate? What are you smoking these days, Rich? And John McCain needs to stop with his ranting about Benghazi….his outrage is bordering on crazy now….
and I won’t even get started about dear wonderful Sen. Mitch MCConnell…aka Filibuster T. Jones…he needs to go retire on the farm…
February 28, 2013 at 10:34 am #784803
HMC RichParticipantNice try my looney tune lefties.
Where is that Senate Budget for 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013? Hmmmmm.
JanS, Lindsay Graham and John McCain have reached across the aisle more than most Republicans. They don’t sell out as much as Olympia Snowe and a few others. But we can disagree.
And, did you see Obama’s spokesman squirm today when they at first threw Janet Napolitano under the bus, then career employees of DHS for releasing 30,000 illegal immigrants. The White House had no idea.
Kind of like Benghazi. Sounds like a clueless admin to me. Then comes the spin.
The only problem is, the Prez’s boys out golfing freeze out of the press just woke up the reporters.
And then they threaten Bob Woodward http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/27/woodward_white_house_warned_me_youre_going_to_regret_this.html
Now, if a bunch of bureaucrats in ICE or DHS are making some big decisions, what do you think is going to happen with the ACA?
Sorry, but the people who are in power are not wielding it properly and many are looking like clowns.
February 28, 2013 at 3:53 pm #784804
wakefloodParticipantLet’s see. Lying to take a nation to war, killing thousands of Americans, tens of thousands of civilians, and putting a Trillion dollars on the credit card fits where exactly on your relative scale of ineptitude?
February 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm #784805
wakefloodParticipantHere’s an easier question: Do you support Sen. Warren’s attempts to end TBTF and get money back to taxpayers? Or would you have voted for Scott Brown?
She asked Bernanke why the taxpayers aren’t getting paid back $83B a YEAR in guarantees that support TBTF banks. The same banks that Bloomberg News says would just break even without the subsidy AND whose profits are basically 100% taxpayer funded.
Hmmm…wonder if Scott Brown would be doing that?
February 28, 2013 at 5:03 pm #784806
wakefloodParticipantActually, we don’t even have to do the hypothetical. Why DON’T GOP Senators propose to end TBTF and subsidies immediately? If they’re all about the taxpayer, that’s a great place to start. Where’s Lindsay Graham and John McCain on that?
Oh, that’s right, you’re still fixated on LOANS to auto companies that were paid back.
February 28, 2013 at 5:16 pm #784807
wakefloodParticipantHelloooo???…Rich??? Lowest hanging fruit in the orchard. $83B a year. Where’s your TeaBaggers and your austerity champions?? Where’s those fiscally responsible Senators of honor?? Easy money. Easy points on the board.
February 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm #784808
JoBParticipantLOL.. almost anything fact centered ends up Obama centered these days Rich ;->
i could point out notable exceptions to you..
but they aren’t anything you seem to be concerned about :(
February 28, 2013 at 6:31 pm #784809
HMC RichParticipantWow, I must have stirred things up a bit. First, Teabaggers is an insult and until you decide not to use such a derogatory term, I do believe you are not worthy of answering. But, I am a good Christian so I will look into your question and forgive you because people are not perfect. Especially progressives. I’m just teasing about the derogatory term, not the imperfection of some liberals. :)
Second, Too Big To Fail was not on my radar regarding Warren and Brown. So I looked up what you wrote about.
Good for Elizabeth Warren. Here is a Senator who is taking a stand for the citizens of our great nation. I commend her. Who knows what Brown would have done. That is conjecture. But, I find it very interesting that you are rah rahing a Freshman Senator who is taking on the “Washington/Wall Street Establishment”. But wait, Mr. Cruz was chastised by many because he asked some uncomfortable questions. Hmmm. How interesting.
If you have been paying attention and not trying to categorize too much, you would understand that I am not at all enthralled with many aspects of my party. Once in awhile JoB does complain about her party but I rarely hear that from others in that camp.
But lets give Warren credit. Good for her because I feel the same way on that issue. The MIT business and the Obama admin’s DOJ hounding (Does Holder really know what he is doing there?) of Swartz is unnacceptable. It is impressive that she is not backing down.
And you have not answered why Senate Democrats won’t bring a budget about. Well here is the answer in two links.
http://gradegov.com/news.php?id=197
What a shame. They willingly won’t do what they are required to do since there are not any consequences. Kind of like Too Big To Go To Trial. Maybe we can find some common ground. Once in awhile.
February 28, 2013 at 7:01 pm #784810
wakefloodParticipantDid you know that the WP fired its ombudsman? Last day is today. Any organization that attempts to portray itself as an arbiter of facts and rational opinion on those facts, needs an ombudsman. It’s a like having fact-checkers and editors with integrity only someone whose job isn’t at risk when calling the organization out.
Just what does that say about them? What are they afraid of? Who are they beholden to? Why should I trust them?
And while I appreciate that we have some common ground on Warren, I can’t get to equating her with Cruz. Cruz is headhunting without the facts on his side. That’s not what I’d call worthy of honor nor respect.
February 28, 2013 at 7:07 pm #784811
wakefloodParticipantAnd I do agree about Holder. I’m disappointed in his reluctance to prosecute TBTF banks, and the rest of the white collar criminals who gamed the system for billions. He should go immediately. But you know the only reason he got confirmed in the first place was because the establishment wasn’t going to tolerate anyone with the hutzpah to enforce the laws.
And that’s a big part of what’s wrong with the system. They’re now so powerful, that they can’t be touched. THAT needs to change.
February 28, 2013 at 8:02 pm #784812
DBPMemberwakeflood, this may not be the best timing on my part, but I just wanted to remind you (per skeeter) that you are welcome to return to the Roman Catholic fold at any time.
As you may know, there’s been a job come open at the top recently, and while you certainly wouldn’t be eligible for that particular slot, there should be other positions opening up at the middle management level soon.
Thank you for your interest.
February 28, 2013 at 8:06 pm #784813
wakefloodParticipantPie Jesu domine, dona eis requiem, bro…
February 28, 2013 at 8:28 pm #784814
wakefloodParticipantAnd what do you know, here’s news on breaking up TBTF banks with joint sponsorship! Go get ’em, folks:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/28/sherrod-brown-banks-david-vitter_n_2782665.html
Can’t wait to hear the Street and WSJ editorial board fabricate all sorts of scare tactic, dubious data to show how much this will hurt the very core of our economic/finance ecosystem!
The onslaught will be impressive and lots of it happening in Senator’s offices and bars over scotches. As was the case during deliberations over Dodd/Frank, the daggers will be out.
February 28, 2013 at 8:30 pm #784815
wakefloodParticipantNo bribe too big, no threat too intense, no arm twisted too hard…
February 28, 2013 at 9:11 pm #784816
wakefloodParticipantAnd I’ll bet dollars to donuts, that if it ever looks inevitable that they DO have to break up, they’ll figure out how to make it work to their advantage anyway.
Some devious things will be written into the law that offsets the required impacts to their oligarchy. Politicians will claim (Pyrrhic) victory while the Masters of the Universe cry crocodile tears for the cameras…
February 28, 2013 at 10:16 pm #784817
DBPMemberwake, would you say that you’re a glass-half-empty kind of guy?
Or is your glass just half full of something nasty?
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Surely there must be a bit of uplifting news in the paper today. Hang on a second while I check . . .
February 28, 2013 at 10:18 pm #784818
DBPMemberOh look! Here’s a happy story!
It’s about this cartoon character who goes around bringing joy to hearts of disadvantaged children:
February 28, 2013 at 10:29 pm #784819
wakefloodParticipantHey DBP, in the political threads here, I do usually take my snippy neat, three fingers, in a dirty glass. ;-)
But my friends and family love me. Does that count?
February 28, 2013 at 10:37 pm #784820
JanSParticipantFebruary 28, 2013 at 10:55 pm #784821
DBPMemberYour friends and family loving you would count if the question at hand was whether you were a good guy, wake. But that question’s already decided as far as I’m concerned: You ARE a good guy.
What I’m concerned about now is the way many people on this Blog look at the World ~ always finding something to kvetch about, no matter how unrelated to them it is. It seems like the more distant the problem, the more they kvetch.
Take this whole sequester thing, for example.
As some commenters have already pointed out (and rightly so) the effect of this thing on the people of West Seattle is roughly equivalent to the gravitational pull of Pluto. In other words: nil. And yet this thread will soon be competing with other downer threads about dog-poop-in-a-can and “austerity” for the all time highest number of posts.
—Which I don’t have a problem with, personally, if people wanna devote some effort to hashing that out. But at the same time I wonder: Where’s the perspective? Where’s the balance?
I would like to see more posts about positive developments in West Seattle-ites’ lives. Is that too much to ask?
February 28, 2013 at 11:17 pm #784822
wakefloodParticipantWell, I get what you’re saying. Maybe it’s just that some folks are big picture types and stuff gets connected from the 30,000ft. level down to the ground when they see how things manifest. I get that it seems that the sequester doesn’t impact me directly but it doesn’t take much for me to see people I know or care about in the abstract, being impacted. No guarantees it won’t impact me either directly or indirectly.
If this is an issue of categorization of discussion threads and maintaining internal continuity of same, then that’s quite appropriate in my mind.
However, if you’re implying that someone shouldn’t be able to make the case that things that happen at some distance that don’t SEEM to affect me directly, actually do, then that’s another issue.
This isn’t necessarily the best example, but there were white folks at the front of the civil rights marches in D.C. with Dr. King. Why would they bother?
In the case of the sequester, the CBO suggests that it’s going to reduce GDP growth between .6-1.2% this year alone. That’s jobs. That’s income. That’s billions of dollars of discretionary spending that won’t happen. I’m in an industry where highly trained and educated folks will get laid off via the slowdown domino affect. Our managers have been asked to rank folks in anticipation of that.
Actions have consequences.
February 28, 2013 at 11:24 pm #784823
wakefloodParticipantAnd one of the biggest issues I have with all of this “sequester, does it matter??” talk is that we’re still mired in the slowest economic recovery since the great depression. Nothing is humming along – save an irrational stock market that’s going to correct some soon when/if the sequester takes affect.
When unemployment is down to 6% or less, sure, let’s talk about what to cut and where to get efficient. I’m ready to talk about that NOW in areas like Defense, much of which is wasted $ in terms of sustainable investment. But as for cutting social safety nets, education, infrastructure maintenance, this is the LAST point when you cut that stuff. For the life of me, I don’t know what that’s so hard for lovers of austerity to get through their heads.
February 28, 2013 at 11:35 pm #784824
wakefloodParticipantAnd if I’m not mistaken, this site exists to – primarily – point out TONS of really good, community based content that is what…75% positive, on average?
People helping people is a common theme here on our friendly WSB. And I’m very thankful for it.
And thankful that they give us a place to hash out some of the not-as-fun but still potentially impactful stuff.
THANKS, WSB and friendly moderator who rarely censors me!!! :-)
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