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June 8, 2014 at 4:35 pm #611604
retired60ParticipantThese guys don’t want to do anything to help America get better, and don’t say both parties are the same … Democrats are trying to help the less fortunate and the middle class. The problem with this situation is most politicians know these facts
June 8, 2014 at 4:38 pm #809281
retired60ParticipantRepublican politicians and the wealthy are taking advantage of the less educated and hateful Americans in this country, for profit and political gains only.
June 8, 2014 at 4:43 pm #809282
retired60ParticipantI am a Democrat that is retired and live with my wife of 40 years in retirement. Most of what is hurting the middle class and the less fortunate is not affecting us.
We pray and do what we can to help the less fortunate, the middle class is becoming more like the poor everyday .. Thanks to the Tea party and the Republicans which are the same.
June 8, 2014 at 9:09 pm #809283
Talaki34ParticipantThere are extremists in every political party. Lumping all together does nothing but exacerbate the problems we are facing.
June 8, 2014 at 11:14 pm #809284
thansenMemberTalaki34, Please tell me who the elected extremist are in the national Democratic party.
Here’s a few from my list from GOP/Tea Party:
Ted Cruz,
Marco Rubio,
Fred Upton
Rand Paul,
Scott Walker
Michele Bachmann,
Jeff Duncan,
Connie Mack IV,
Jeff Flake,
Tim Scott,
Joe Walsh,
Allen West,
Jason Chaffetz
June 8, 2014 at 11:58 pm #809285
SmittyParticipant“Extremist” because you and your friends @ MSNBC think they are extremists?
It’s all a matter of perspective.
Just because YOU think their views are extremist doesn’t necessarily make it so.
I think people who believe higher wages will save the economy, government run healthcare is efficient, killing an unborn child is a good thing and man has any material impact on global warming are the extremists.
Proclaiming the “the debate is over” or “the science is settled” might make you feel like you are in the right, but half the population(more or less) of the country disagrees with you (and some of us actually have college educations and are very well read! Crazy!).
June 9, 2014 at 1:28 am #809286
Michael WaldoParticipantThe debate is over. It doesn’t matter what polls say, polls are not science. There have recently been 100 peer reviewed scientific studies on Climate change. 99 of those report that the climate is warming and man is responsible. One study blames sunspots. 99 to one and the media say people on both sides disagree. Yes, the tea party is extreme. Fox news commented that the father of the solder rescued from Afghanistan looked like the Taliban because of his beard. Now he is getting death threats, thanks to the wackos on Fox news.
June 9, 2014 at 2:09 am #809287
KBearParticipantSmitty, it is not up to you to decide whether human influence on climate change is real any more than it is up to you to decide whether gravity is real. Science has proven it so. If you disbelieve it, YOU are an extremist.
June 9, 2014 at 2:41 am #809288
SmittyParticipant“The debate is over”…..
Wow. I predicted that, no?
I prefer, “the science is settled”…..
How do you explain this? Please note, that MSNBC(and ABC, NBC, CNN, PBS, CBS – hey , you have more than ONE channel!) only shows global temps from 1880 forward…..
Damn Romans……
June 9, 2014 at 4:26 am #809289
VBDParticipantHilariously, Smitty, your graphic supports the idea that small changes in our environment can have real measurable effects on climate. The fluctuation in global temperatures have historically been in response to things such as volcanoes, fires, and solar variance. Each of these things caused changes that were really quite subtle, yet had a strong global climatic effect.
Currently, humans are dumping excess CO2 into the atmosphere. That subtle cause will have an effect – the history clearly shows us this fact. And it will add another upward hump to the graph you showed.
Suggesting naturally caused climate change somehow negates the possibility of human causes is silly and naive.
June 9, 2014 at 4:42 am #809290
waynsterParticipantHmmm these two could fit the bill of GOP…..lmao
June 9, 2014 at 1:41 pm #809291
JoBParticipantSmitty
the two cities with the highest minimum wage in America also have the strongest growing economies…
and it’s not all due to those tech jobs
how do you explain that?
our government run healthcare system.. the VA.. does deliver the most and most advanced medical care for the least dollars…
and could do more if we actually funded it better.
how do you explain that?
as for this dichotomy you set up..
you kill or don’t kill unborn children
why does the same political effort that strives to overturn Roe vs Wade also strive to end the availability of birth control, sex education of teens and prenatal care for pregnant women?
and that’s all before the kids are actually born where that same political effort wants to end nutrition and early education programs.
explain to me how this is going to work.
i have a harder and harder time understanding.
June 10, 2014 at 3:48 am #809292
dobroParticipant“I think people who believe higher wages will save the economy…”
Forbes magazine likes our approach to wages. Take a listen—
Washington is the “No. 1 Best State to Make a Living” according to Forbes Magazine, a rank that the state also enjoyed in last year’s survey. Forbes is conservative in its politics — its publisher Steve Forbes ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 1996 and 2000 — but has consistently ranked liberal Washington at the top of its lists. The ranking is complied using Bureau of Labor Statistics figures as well as the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index…strong performances with regard to wages, state taxes and work environment kept Washington on top again,” Forbes reported Monday.
“…government run healthcare is efficient”
Well, here’s one survey on gov’t run healthcare—
Medicare’s Part D prescription drug coverage program is maintaining its exceptionally high popularity among the nation’s older Americans, with a new survey showing that 88 percent of beneficiaries are satisfied with the program and 95 percent saying they have greater peace of mind as a result of Part D coverage
“…killing an unborn child is a good thing”
No one I’ve ever known thinks this. However, a lot of people think women should be in control of their own bodies and healthcare. That would be the “liberal” position.
“…and man has any material impact on global warming”
The big question is can we do anything about it. Whether man caused it or not, it’s here and the effects are going to have to be dealt with. Pretending it’s not happening or arguing about what caused it are wastes of time.
“…are the extremists.”
You’re joking, right?
June 10, 2014 at 5:07 am #809293
elikapekaParticipantWhat Dobro said.
June 10, 2014 at 6:34 am #809294
HMC RichParticipantRetired 60. You do not know the difference between the people who support the Tea Party and the Republican establishment. Cruz and his lot are a very small minority of the Republican Party. But they are gaining. Even Nate Silver says the Republicans may take the Senate. http://www.thewrap.com/nate-silver-gives-gop-60-chance-reclaiming-senate/
Which would help the legislative process in reducing Harry Reid and his obstructionist domination of the Senate to the position minority leader.
But wait, there’s more…
Science studies. Forgive some of us for not falling for every “The Sky is Falling news” coming from certain factions around the world. Ever hear of Pangaea and Continental Drift? How about Alfred Wegener? The theory or hypothesis came out about 100 years ago. Was it looked at positively by the scientific and business brethren of the time? Hell no. Most did not believe him. He died trying to prove his theory. Lo and behold he was right about movement of tectonic plates. But it was proven with proper scientific tests and observations. A brief bio.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Wegener
Believe it or not, quite a few of us right wingers do believe in climate change. We might even at times believe is some aspects of anthropogenic blah blah blah. But we see hypocrisy coming from the UN when the data was tweaked. We hear that more CO2 is in the air than ever before but since the world’s temps are not rising as fast as Al Gore predicted (in fact they have kind of stagnated), you will see why some of us are skeptical.
You see “The Science is Settled” Argument is flawed in its Methodology. This article explains it. http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/jack-kelly/2014/05/29/The-facts-don-t-add-up-for-human-caused-global-warming/stories/201405290275
May I point out some hypocrisy of the past? Sure, why not. Seattle’s plastic bag ban. The environmentalists said we were using too many trees and should stop using paper bags at the grocery stores. OK, then cheap plastic bags (made from petroleum products) took their place. And all was well until those bags which blew in the wind ended up in the water and were swallowed by wildlife. AND the environmentalists cried … the bags are killing our creatures and whales. So cities like Seattle banned plastic bags at Grocery Stores. Now the stores are using …. both kind of bags and we now have to pay for them (if we forget our bags that we purchased to deal with this environmental catastrophe). And if we don’t wash our bags we spread e-coli. Since trees are a renewable resource, couldn’t we have just kept using paper bags in the first place? Because of the meddling by the people who always think they know what is best for the world (who mean well) … We now pay for something that was free. And if we aren’t careful with re-usable bags, we can get extremely sick and die. Got it.
Don’t get me wrong. I understand wildlife is adversely affected by human activity. Take Wind power. Those blades are made from Carbon Fiber. Those white swinging blades providing clean energy for humans… They can spin at 180 mph. Only the Peregrine falcon and a few other raptors in a dive comes even close to that speed. Whoops, that’s a lot of dead birds. And the most interesting (NOT) part of this is that the materials for those blades comes from oil. And who hates oil? You know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_flight_speed
We are all for people having control of their bodies. But when they lose control, passion, booze, drugs, then they want the government to fix it. And may I add forcing Religious people to go against their belief with the force of the government to lock them up is not tolerant.
Abortion is legal. But, no matter what argument anyone uses about abortion, it is still the act of ending a viable life. Period. Forever. That’s about 50 million since Roe V Wade. Got it?!
Hey Retired 60. How come your generation and mine are leaving my son with an ever expanding 17 Trillion dollar debt? How come under both Democrats and Republicans, the NSA, IRS, and other agencies are targeting individuals liberty? How come the President and the Justice Department are not following the laws set out by the Constitution and enforcing those laws? How come the ACA website which was President Obama’s signature law launched so miserably along with the promise that he would fix the VA in his campaign? How come the President of the United States finds out about all of these scandals and problems from the press and is MAD AS HELL about them but never fires anyone or gives us the truth?
In my Opinion, This is the worst President to inhabit the White House since Jimmy Carter. He is weak and his policies have been flawed and mediocre.
Quit blaming the Republicans for the failure of liberal policies.
June 10, 2014 at 1:52 pm #809295
wakefloodParticipantWow, there’s just so much messed up thinking in that post that I don’t have the time nor the inclination to do a point by point rebuttal. (Although, I suspect those very same points have been responded to several times in other posts.)
Consequently, given the apparent manifold increase of Ka-razy Rays that are infiltrating the atmosphere, I think it a more prudent use of my time to reinforce my tinfoil hat. Multiple layers worth.
I suggest you all do likewise.
June 11, 2014 at 1:52 am #809296
AdmiralJanewayParticipantEric Cantor lost his primary today.
June 11, 2014 at 1:54 am #809297
JoBParticipantJune 11, 2014 at 2:55 am #809298
JanSParticipantand, according to the media, it is the most conservative district in Virginia, so , according to them, there is no way a Democrat can win there. Prof. Brat is backed by none other than Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham :-
June 11, 2014 at 2:56 am #809299
JanSParticipanthi 5 to Wakeflood !
June 11, 2014 at 3:47 am #809300
SmittyParticipantThe reports of the Tea Party’s death have been greatly exaggerated!
June 11, 2014 at 4:22 am #809301
dobroParticipant“You do not know the difference between the people who support the Tea Party and the Republican establishment.”
Apparently, neither do the Republicans in Virginia. Judging by the fact that this is the 1st time in all of American history a House Majority Leader was unseated in a primary election I’d say that the Tea Party ‘Pubs are becoming the party establishment.That should work out well for Democrats since the TPers are too extreme for most Americans and will have a tough time in the general elections.
“…but since the world’s temps are not rising as fast as Al Gore predicted (in fact they have kind of stagnated), you will see why some of us are skeptical.”
Most scientifically literate people aren’t basing their attitudes about climate change on what Al Gore says. They’re looking at the 97% of peer-reviewed studies that agree on causes and remedies.
“Since trees are a renewable resource, couldn’t we have just kept using paper bags in the first place? …We now pay for something that was free.”
As a good right winger don’t you realize nothing is free? You’re now paying for something you use that the store formerly paid for. It’s a user fee. Bags have been privatized and are subject to the free market. You should be celebrating.
“Abortion is legal.”
Exactly. So wingers should stop trying to close clinics and murdering doctors. If you want it to be illegal then we need to know what kind of jail terms you’ll be handing out to women. Will those also apply to miscarriges?
June 11, 2014 at 5:20 am #809302
SmittyParticipantThe 97% figure is a lie and needs to end now. Something tells me it won’t though…
http://www.staatvanhetklimaat.nl/2013/05/17/cooks-survey-not-only-meaningless-but-also-misleading/
Fixed:
So wingers should stop trying to open clinics and murdering babies.
June 11, 2014 at 7:09 am #809303
JanSParticipantabortion is a legal act, murder is not….throwing these words around is totally disgusting to me. You can have an intelligent conversation without the sensationalism.
June 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm #809304
wakefloodParticipantIf only…
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