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August 31, 2008 at 1:45 am #587924
mellaw6565MemberOK, I’m not a Repub but I will watch the convention next week because I always believe in listening to both sides (As a former attorney – you can’t win on your side unless you fully understand the case of the other side).
In any event, if you have been watching the news today about Hurricane Gustav, you know that things are going to be bad along the Gulf Coast and that there will probably be lots of destruction (hopefully no deaths)and provide lots of political fodder, especially in comparison to the handling of Katrina 3 years ago. The Republicans & McCain have been mentioning all day about possibly suspending or postponing the Convention if the Hurricane hits and maybe turning it into a relief effort instead. An admirable idea, although I think it has less to do with helping others and more to do with trying to get people to focus on the convention (not to mention the attempt to receive political “kudos” in the election).
But in contemplating the Repub’s plan today, I have to chuckle thinking about Pat Robertson, a part of the Repub. base, who said 3 years ago that all of the large Hurricanes striking Florida (and Orlando in particular) were because of the gay people there and the tolerance by Disney World. He said it was “God’s Punishment”.
I wonder what he’s saying now – “God’s Deliverance for the Republicans”? LOL
(My family lives on the Gulf Coast, so please don’t take this post as a slight to all those in Gustav’s path – as a lifelong Floridian I know how serious these storms are and I am holding my breath right now for my family and others)
August 31, 2008 at 1:54 am #636606
WSBKeymasterI agree with you re: listening to both sides. You never know when you might hear something – from anyone – that will change your mind, or at least challenge your thinking. Perhaps the most memorable Republican convention in my politics-following time was the famous “culture war” one with Marilyn Quayle, Pat Buchanan, et al.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Republican_National_Convention
That year, actually, there were THREE major sides – GOP, Dem, Perot. Although he didn’t have a convention.
Re: Gustav – interesting side note – one of the people I follow on Twitter is Craigslist founder Craig Newmark:
http://twitter.com/craignewmark
In a recent tweet, he put out the open question of what CL should do about Gustav, noting that for Katrina, he and his staff just kind of sat back and got out of the way to see what users wanted to do.
-TR
August 31, 2008 at 1:57 am #636607
AnonymousInactivemellaw – As a Republican, I am very excited for the convention to start. I will be watching (as much as I can).
On a personal note, I’m curious why you would choose to go from practicing law to becoming an elementary school teacher?
August 31, 2008 at 2:00 am #636608
mellaw6565MemberMental insanity – and I teach older kids.
August 31, 2008 at 2:25 am #636609
WSBKeymasterHmm, sounds like the best teacher Junior Member of the Team ever had. He had this big corporate career … and gave it up to become a teacher. (His wife’s job made enough money to pick up the family slack.)
August 31, 2008 at 2:31 am #636610
mellaw6565MemberI wouldn’t go back to practicing law for anything. I’m passionate about teaching and working with students. I’m poor but happy now:)
August 31, 2008 at 2:32 am #636611
mellaw6565MemberI also run an overnight pet sitting/house sitting business to help supplement the income, which still doesn’t make up for it, but money isn’t everything:)
August 31, 2008 at 2:36 am #636612
JoBParticipantI am hoping only the best for those along the gulf coast. they are battered by too many 100 year storms lately.
I sincerely hope it fizzles in time for the republican convention.. i really would like to know what they are thinking.
kudos mellaw6565. i’ve met a couple of attys lately who moved from law to teaching… lucky kids who get them as teachers…
August 31, 2008 at 4:55 am #636613
flipjackParticipantYEah well maybe it will be coincidental enough for John McCain to Explain why him and Georgey boy were too bizzzy eating his birthday cake to care what was going on in New Orleans during the Hurricane.
August 31, 2008 at 5:50 am #636614
JoBParticipantthere’s a picture i am pretty sure they don’t want surfacing again..
but i doubt he will explain it.
if that hurricane comes ashore in New Orleans, it’s likely that anyone who rebuilt in the lower areas will lose their homes again… the levy is not rebuilt and the patches unlikely to hold.
no matter how ironic it would be politically, we should all pray that the gulf is cooler and the storm dissipates .. it’s just too much misery for anyone to have to bear.
August 31, 2008 at 7:23 am #636615
mellaw6565MemberTR – I remember Buchanan’s speech from the RNC in 1992 clearly. It was chilling in it’s attempt to be morally superior and downright intolerant. I also remember it was around the time that I started to “come out” and it made me more afraid than ever.
Palin may in fact chase some more away to the Obama camp if her speeches are rife with similar sentiments about abortion, immigration, gay marriage, etc….. we’ll see. Then again, she may continue to pander to the base.
Perot definitely made things interesting that year. Not that he would be my pick, or Nader for that matter, but a viable 3rd party would really help to break the moneyed-interest control of elections in this country. I’m appalled that it takes more than $200 million dollars to be President of this country – it is so clear that the rich and corporations are “buying” the elections. It’s similar to things you see in third world countries, although they don’t usually have that much money and they generally don’t attempt to hide that they’re in fact buying the government.
For the record, the founders weren’t in favor of political parties, and John Adams in particular felt that the divisions might destroy the country eventually. Hmmmmm……..
August 31, 2008 at 4:08 pm #636616
TheHouseMemberI’ve stopped posting here for the past few months because moderators and others that post here cannot have a fair and impartial discussion, but I’ve cautiously returned.
mellaq6565, by making the comment “I will watch the convention next week because I always believe in listening to both sides (As a former attorney – you can’t win on your side unless you fully understand the case of the other side)” it sounds like you’ve already made your mind up and you’re simply watching to build your case for the Democrats (I’m assuming that’s who you support based on what you’ve said above).
Since you’re deciding who to vote for and not arguing a legal case, it seems rather pointless for you to watch the RNC if you’ve already made up your mind.
As for postponing the RNC, they should and most likely will do so.
As for your comments on cost to run for President and 3rd parties, I agree. It is sad that it takes so much money to run for President, it makes both major party candidates look ridiculous. Imagine what change could be brought about with the $400 million both candidates have spent.
There is a 3rd party candidate on the Libertarian ticket and his name is Bob Barr. He currently has my vote, but with the nomination for Sarah Palin, I might sway back to the Republican Party.
For those of you that want to jump on Bob Barr, John McCain or Sarah Palin, don’t instead please spend your time explaining how Barak Obama is going to accomplish everything he promised last week without turning the country into a welfare state.
Thank you and long live King Obama.
August 31, 2008 at 6:14 pm #636617
beachdrivegirlParticipantHouse I have missed your posts!
August 31, 2008 at 6:33 pm #636618
c@lbobMember“Welfare State” in Repug speak is a place where they may have to pay their taxes (used to pay for things like highways, environmental protections, flood control) and not be allowed to foist them off on the rest of us.
August 31, 2008 at 6:34 pm #636619
charlabobParticipantSo, BDG, the vote is private and you have every right not to answer, but are you still leaning toward voting for Obama? Inquisitive minds …
August 31, 2008 at 6:40 pm #636620
beachdrivegirlParticipantOf course i am voting for Obama! I would not ever support McCain. I actually was contemplating over breakfast about whether or whether not to argue with House over his “welfare state” .. i mean honestly what a joke…isnt that where Bush has driven us to over the past eight years. As (I believe Stewart) pointed out the other night during a show the gap between the rich and the poor is larger now than it was during the Great Depression. Now that is a scary statistic and something that needs to be brought up during the debates b/c that is what Bush’s policies (those policies that McCain has voted for over 90% of the time) are doing to our nation. i will continue to challenge issues like that but will also enjoy hearing House’s, NR, and Tonyas stances on issues b/c it makes me read up on issues that are important to me and to question what is important to me and who is going to deliver a solution that I agree with to the table.
August 31, 2008 at 7:02 pm #636621
acemotelParticipantFor someone wishing for a “fair and impartial discussion” your comments are anything but. King Obama? Coming after the royal family Georges I and II?
The experiment of democracy + capitalism IMO was bound to result in corporate control of the governance, accelerated as the free market tends to be uncontrolled, as happens with Republican administrations generally…and King George II in particular. The Chinese model is fascinating to watch, likewise the reconstructed EU, at different points of the spectrum. The problem with corporate power is that profit doesn’t have a conscience. Hello, MHC, fundies, and others!
August 31, 2008 at 7:35 pm #636622
HPMemberHouse, I am just curious why Sarah Palin would possibly bring your vote back to the rebublican party, and why Bob Barr got your support over the repubs in the first place. I have made it clear in other threads that I dont think she was a wise choice for McCain but I do like to see others views on why they think she is a good choice. My reason is she could possibly be the VP of our country and I would want to know what other people who support her think. But I ask for your reason because many repubs are going to support her just because she is a repub. Your view is different in that you said she could sway you back, and that is what is interesting to me Thanks in advance.
August 31, 2008 at 7:58 pm #636623
mellaw6565MemberHouse – if you read the first lines of my post it is clear that I’m not a Repub – duh!!! You always start out your posts in an attacking and insulting manner – why would anyone want to respond to you?
You can watch an opposing side for two reasons (1) as TR put – she may be swayed or convinced of the logic of another argument or (2) to help you better define your own position or argument. I’m in the latter category at this stage personally, but as a teacher I also watch so that I can provide my students with fodder on both sides so they can make up their own minds.
So House – don’t presume to know my thoughts or attitudes. You’re very arrogant to do that.
As for Bob Barr, I would never support one of the main sponsors of DOMA and a lifelong social conservative. He was ineffective in Congress and now is attempting to be “cool” by writing for ACLU and Creative Loafing. Where was his protection of civil liberties when he was in Congress? It was with the Republicans, time and time again. IMO, I wouldn’t waste a quarter on Barr – definitely not leadership material.
We need a REAL third party – the Libertarians have never been able to rise to that level.
August 31, 2008 at 9:39 pm #636624
TheHouseMemberIn response to HP, I might be swayed back to vote for John McCain, once I research Sarah Palin. As of this posting, I really don’t know anything about her other than the propaganda that has been spewed the past 2 days through the media. Although I would never vote based on race or sex, the selection of a woman as a Republican running mate is a CHANGE for the Republican Party and McCain should be commended for really standing up and not selecting what would have be an obvious choice (Romney, Lieberman, etc). So, as of right now I can’t say I will support the Republican ticket.
The basis of Barr’s platform right now is in line with what I feel the United States needs right now…removal of government as much as possible (especially Federal). All though he supported DOMA in the past, YOU ARE INCORRECT STATING THAT HE CURRENTLY SUPPORTS DOMA:
http://outrightlibertarians.blogspot.com/2008/05/bob-barr-i-will-work-to-repeal-doma.html
In response to BDG, we are far from a welfare state right now. The current administration has very little to do with how the economy currently stands. Despite all of the hype from liberals, things are not that bad. This country has fallen on much harder times (research Jimmy Carter and his double digit inflation). Most of what we’re experiencing right now is based on supply and demand of oil and the lack of responsibility of individuals regarding the payment of their mortgage payments. Yes, millions of people were given the opportunity to own homes and squandered the chance.
Yes, there are examples of unethical lenders but I could probably show you double the people that didn’t do their research on mortgages before they signed on the dotted line.
We are even more fortunate than many other sections of the country in that we have a strong local economy. It gets rather tiring to hear that the country is in shambles from people o this blog when in reality, it just isn’t that bad.
And yes, I was being trite regarding “King Obama” but he truly came off as King Midas….the only thing he forgot to tell all of us is exactly how he’s going to pay for everything….ooops.
August 31, 2008 at 9:49 pm #636625
HPMemberHouse it wasnt me who satd he suports DOMA just for the record.
August 31, 2008 at 10:18 pm #636626
AnonymousInactiveHouse – So refreshing to have your voice and views back on this forum!
August 31, 2008 at 10:25 pm #636627
c@lbobMember“All though he supported DOMA in the past, YOU ARE INCORRECT STATING THAT HE CURRENTLY SUPPORTS DOMA:
I guess that would mean he FLIP FLOPPED IN ORDER TO PANDER TO A DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCY. Nothing like a man of principles.
August 31, 2008 at 10:26 pm #636628
TheHouseMemberObama and McCain could be accused of changing their minds as well, so at least all three are consistently *ss kissers.
August 31, 2008 at 11:24 pm #636629
AnonymousInactivePersonally, I would consider Obama’s LIFE a flip flop.
When all that came out about Rev. Wright and it got to the point that Obama had to FINALLY denounce him and remove him from his life (after, what was it, a 30 year relationship?), wouldn’t that be considered a flip flop “IN ORDER TO PANDER TO A DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCY”? If it isn’t, my question is: why not?
And what kind of principles does a man have that it would have to get to that level before he finally did something about it?
House, you are right, they all can, very easily, be accused of the same thing – *ss kissing.
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