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May 20, 2012 at 3:41 pm #603332
JoBParticipantthe New York Times seems to think it’s a joke
that there might be only 2
but if you google rednecks for obama you will come to a link that has pictures// thousands of pictures according to the count at the top .. 289,000 :)
i didn’t look at them all.
and i still don’t know how to tiny url:(
and this Atlantic piece published back in November
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/rednecks-for-obama/7128/
fool me once
shame on you
fool me twice
shame on me
now if only i could remember the name of the dust bowl comedian who popularized that one this morning…
he made a lot of money talking with, about, to and for rednecks
he made a lot of sense too.
May 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm #758749
redblackParticipantjo: just go to tinyurl.com and paste your long link in the box, click “make tiny URL,” and out comes a tiny URL for you to copy and paste.
it appears that a lot of those 289,000 pictures might be the same 2 guys getting a lot of mileage out of their banner. but yeah, it seems there’s a decent-sized smattering of nascent democrats trapped behind enemy lines.
and bush made that expression popular the same way he made nation-building popular:
by screwing it up.
May 20, 2012 at 4:13 pm #758750
HMC RichParticipantIf it is part of coal country, there are less Rednecks for Obama than there were 3 plus years ago.
For some reason, I get the feeling some of you do not hold Rednecks in high esteem. I wouldn’t want salt of the earth citizens being profiled.
May 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm #758751
redblackParticipantwhat gave you that impression? i actually work with my hands, and i have a sunburned neck.
and i’ve always wondered what rednecks think they have in common with republican ideals – other than “leave me alone.”
’cause i don’t see too much wealth being created among rednecks out there in the red states.
ahh, coal country. you’d probably be surprised to learn that a lot of west virginians would rather give up jobs than see the tops of mountains being sluiced into the valleys and hollers. the whole jobs/coal thing is fueled by the industry, not the citizenry, and it’s mainly about profits and energy policy. jobs are secondary.
May 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm #758752
kootchmanMemberTrue.. there are some WV who are opposed… couple dozen, a few watch MSNBC too…. it’s about jobs…. you are not showing your union solidarity with UMW redblack. But yea, ya probably have a direct lineage to rednecks..
By 1910, the political supporters of the Mississippi Democratic Party politician James K. Vardaman—chiefly poor white farmers—began to describe themselves proudly as “rednecks,” even to the point of wearing red neckerchiefs to political rallies and picnic
May 20, 2012 at 8:53 pm #758753
JoBParticipantkootch..
i have a direct lineage to rednecks.
my grandparents on both sides were mid-west farmers
micks and bohunks…
first homes on both farms were soddy’s
my dad worked construction.. doing the hire wire beam dance.. until he fell
my step-dad was a logger until he became a policeman until he drove a grader for the county
and his family were original homesteaders in Pendleton, Oregon
my mom was a sharecropper and when that failed itinerant farm labor when she was all of 12.
after her second marriage failed..
he was a grade A certified creep
she supported her children by running a mangle in a dry cleaners until the step-dad could be convinced that he had to pay child support
then she moved to the big city and took up bookkeeping..
which she learned in correspondence school.
she didn’t finish 8th grade
but did get her GED when she was in her middle 30s.
I am the only bleeding heart liberal in my family..
and one of a handful in my mom’s extended family…
nearly 60 first cousins and who can count the second and third?
and i have held a number of jobs along the way to becoming the success that i am
that definately gave one a red neck.
You make a lot of really stupid assumptions kootch
about who people are
and how hard they had to work to become so well informed.
oh.. and i nearly forgot to add
how much they respect the value of hard labor.
those of us who actually respect the labor of others
have a lot more in common with rednecks than you think
May 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm #758754
redblackParticipantthe term “redneck” is actually british in origin.
UMWA has to walk a tightrope – as it should. it’s not easy to protect jobs in an industry that, by its very nature, destroys the environments that it pulls its resources from.
i understand that they think the EPA is overstepping, and maybe too quickly, but mountaintop removal has been killing west virginia waters unimpeded for decades. and no one talks about it.
and what good is it to protect jobs in a place where you can’t drink the water? might as well move out and let robots do the mining.
as an aside, UMWA represents about 40% of mine workers. the worst environmental offenders in pennsylvania and the virginias usually don’t hire union labor.
May 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm #758755
kootchmanMemberSee how that works JoB ..? ya got the WSB pc police in the prowl when a properly used desigination like “oriental” was used …. to describe a specific geographical region…and the bla blah blah… it’s in the eye of the discriminated… and and the quotes, the links, the documentation.. of why “oriental” was so offensive. Now.. the left is co-opting the term… “”we aren ‘t racist. we are the left, we can’t be racist .. not us, not “progressives” Unless you ARE a redneck.. you can’t use the term. It’s not PC. Not some distant, passing familiarity… you MUST be a redneck to use it… or… you are a bigot.
Redneck is a historically derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term’s suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]
In recent decades, the term has expanded its meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack Southern conservatives and racists.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]
…why some of best friends are rednecks… right?
redblack …Don’t tell a lowland Scot (aka referred to as Scot/ Irish or Ulster Scots) who emigrated to 17th and 18th century, to escape the persecution of the English and Catholic churches it’s a British term… The Covenanters would form the core of the Rebellion of the 13 colonies… and the mid-Atlantic states where most of the rebellion was fought, and won. Later the scarves tradition would reappear again in the coal labor movement…
“If defeated everywhere else, I will make my stand for liberty among the Scots-Irish of my native Virginia”.
General George Washington
“The Scots-Irish were the first to proclaim for freedom of these United States; even before Lexington, Scots-Irish blood had been shed for American freedom. In the forefront of every battle was seen their burnished mail and in the retreat was heard their voice of constancy”.
President William McKinley
The original rednecks… accept no substitutions. Mid Atlantic, N Florida, Maine, white Ulster Protestants… uncommonly united against centralized government..then as now. (no JoB no lineage or relation to the “micks” who would arrive 150 year later other than as historical atagonists)
http://www.maineulsterscots.com/Quotes_about_Ulster-Scots.php
May 22, 2012 at 12:42 pm #758756
redblackParticipantUnless you ARE a redneck.. you can’t use the term.
i actually prefer to be called “honky.”
May 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm #758757
JoBParticipantkootchman
there are a lot of “crackers” in my family tree..
in hubby’s too
and if you look at the extended family
there still are.
you can try to claim redneck as a political term if you want kootch
but some of us still know how you get that redneck
and that land doesn’t care about your ancestry
mine sure doesn’t…
that sunny spell i spent outside working in the yard last week sure “pinked” up the back of my neck
i have enough color to look good in red again ;->
May 22, 2012 at 11:03 pm #758758
KenParticipantMy family came to south carolina when (and before aprx 1648) it was still known as the Province of Carolina and included what was to become NC,SC,TN,GA,AL,MS and AR. They were counted in the first census when the British Lords proprietors re-claimed Charles-Town (now Charlston SC) after the British civil war.
All my ancestors would have been red-necks and even the current crop which includes educators, doctors and lawyers still consider themselves rednecks. And mostly Democrats. My ex-inlaws (and some distant cousins) insist they are not rednecks but are proud know nothing republicans, teabaggers and birchers so pure they turn the channel if a non white person shows up on the screen. They do the same for any color disabled or speaking with an accent.
My first job was “handing” tobacco at the age of 5. Worked my way up through “tying” to “hanging” at the age of 12 before I realized my mom was getting paid for my labor and demanded a cut :)
I wanted to join a union long before I moved to a state that had any. I did join the projectionist union at 16 to run a carbon arc spotlight but they were not allowed to have any meetings in NC in the 60’s so it was all theoretical:)
I am a refugee from that world and am happy to be here :)
May 24, 2012 at 2:49 am #758759
kootchmanMemberwell how can it be… in a Democratic primary, with an incumbent, and no national challenger… Obama loses 40% of Democratic vote in Kentucky, and then the White House releases a press statement he secured a “commanding lead”… WHAT? I don’t think losing four out of ten votes to “anyone but Obama” is a riled up progressive base.
In Kentucky’s closed primary, about 42 percent of registered Democrats who voted selected “uncommitted.
Arkansas does likewise….. In Arkansas’ open primary, voters could select a ballot for either party. Early returns showed a Tennessee attorney, John Wolfe, drawing about 40 percent on the Democratic side.
That’s his southern strategy?
May 24, 2012 at 3:58 am #758760
redblackParticipantkootch: it’s a primary. “uncommitted” got a lot of votes in the caucuses here lately, too.
but come november, democrats will vote democratic.
May 24, 2012 at 3:17 pm #758761
JoBParticipantand a surprising number of those voting democratic will be those who work with their hands for a living.
July 8, 2012 at 6:22 pm #758762
kootchmanMemberThey might as well… cause they have nothing else to do with their hands… cause they sure aren’t working. Imagine, a month where there were more applications for SS disability then there were new jobs. That’s the new Obama economy. So sad.
July 8, 2012 at 7:37 pm #758763
miwsParticipantThey won’t be working with their hands, kootch, because your corporate buddies shipped all their jobs overseas.
Mike
July 8, 2012 at 7:45 pm #758764
JanSParticipantbingo, Mike..
July 8, 2012 at 9:16 pm #758765
kootchmanMemberYa think so Mike? Has nothing to do with the level of training and education of our work force? Go to the web site for Air Products Inc… see how many North American job openings they have.
July 8, 2012 at 10:29 pm #758766
megMemberSpeaking bout rednecks, all ya’lls gotta read “Rainbow Pie: a Redneck’s Memoir” by Joe Bageant. Srsly, early American ideals were based upon Redneck principles and there is a fascinating political division between the southern Scots-Irish ‘borderer’ Rednecks and their northern Scots-Irish borderer cousins.
Now that Good Jobs are gone – on southern rural land and in factories of northern cities – rural southern working class folk desperately cling to their guns and religion, trying to protect themselves from what they see as a centralized government’s constant over-reach into their personal lives and freedom, while their Redneck Scots-Irish cousins in the liberal north, cling to faint hopes that somehow Oh-Blah-Blah’s magic can save them from their own stupidity. Dude, both sides are equally delusional. They All miss the importance of a vanishing tide lowering all boats …that plain country folk, along with their city cousins and nearly everyone else in this land, are heading down the same road and will reach the same point. This land used to have plentiful good-paying jobs for regular folks without much advanced education. In cities, those jobs were with small and mid-size businesses that had payroll and personnel departments. Sadly, No Mas.
May I also recommend another good redneck read, “Dear Hunting with Jesus” by Joe.
Nearly 1/3 Americans have some Scots-Irish Borderer ancestry. We are lots of Rednecks. Hi there, cousins!
July 8, 2012 at 11:22 pm #758767
kootchmanMemberUh huh… but the clan survived.. still survives. And I will bet on it still. This ain’t nuthin’ compared to what they left… and the cycle is nothing new either.
July 9, 2012 at 12:12 am #758768
megMemberRednecks are from a warrior culture, based on ancient Celtic extended familial clanships, those were some of the fiercest fighters in history. Yes, America was founded on and our culture mirrors their tribal principles of freedom, independence, rugged individualism, and deep instinctive mistrust of authority. The word Redneck originated from the red scarf or stiff red collar worn around the Scots Presbyterian neck – which they wore to demonstrate they were “Convenantors” or “Scots Presbyterians”, having signed their oaths in their own blood at Greyfriars in the early 1600s, in direct rebellion against the Church of England. Across Britain, the term Redneck was applied to them in mockery. They were persecuted by Britain for the fact they dissented against the authority of Church of England. As they resisted, they also fled, first choosing to settle some of the harshest Scottish southern highlands. From there, they fled to Ulster in Ireland, and finally to America. The birth of America was made possible by the Ulster-Scots. Ta-da. Teddy Roosevelt said of them that they had a love of freedom ‘rooted in their heart’s core’. He said they were a people “grim, stern, strong, and simple.” When America faced its crisis, the Scots-Irish fought for American freedom with a courage and commitment undiminished by the long distance from their old shores in Ulster.
Whatever you think about Rednecks, you gotta take your hat off to their legacy.
July 9, 2012 at 12:49 am #758769
JoBParticipanti like rednecks..
when you talk to them about what they actually want
as opposed to listening to their slogans
you find that they have a great deal in common with liberals
July 9, 2012 at 1:57 am #758770
kootchmanMemberNone that I know. Mostly, bless their taciturn little hearts, they prefer not to be bothered. The federal government being their particular source of disdain. They fought most of the revolutionary war, more out of hatred for the British than their love of a grand republic. Their imprimatur is all through the constitution. Limited governance and self rule. Show me that liberal…. Those are red states.. deep. crimson, blood red states.
“If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scots-Irish of that region, and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger.”
George Washington, at Valley Forge
Damn straight George, we got your back… kicked their asses all they from Charleston to the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown.
July 9, 2012 at 2:44 am #758771
miwsParticipantAw crap!
Now the 1/4 Irish in me, and 1/4 Brit are puttin’ the smackdown on each other!
And the 1/4 Swede and 1/4 German, are looking at each other going WTF?!?
So, kootch, are you saying that the Scots-Irish are the ruling class of the United States, and do you believe they should be?
Mike
July 9, 2012 at 2:57 am #758772
JoBParticipantkootch..
rednecks want the same thing everyone else wants
opportunity
don’t you think they are going to be just a little p..d off when they figure out that they got taken for a major hayride?
because they will figure it out, you know.
some comedian will spell it out for them
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