Questionable Sign for Wax On Salon?

[Cait]

^ Agreed.

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[Walker]

Really you’re still going to go with genital mutilation? Christ just unclench for a bit. You don’t want to shave your woohaa fine but let other people do what they want.

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[shed22]

Unclench, unclench, unclench! Hooray for the woohaa-ha-ha! (76 hard-bones led the big poo-raid!)THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! and genital mutilation. Just think of it (and unclench).

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[JanS]

walker…enough with the unclench. Did you read what JoB said? She doesn’t care if women wax/shave or not..it’s their choice. Obviously, she is not alone about advertising about it, though, on a street in the Junction, since someone thought to start a thread about it. And others commented about it, too. We’re all allowed to have an opinion different than others on here..even you. And what we say has nothing to do with clenching and unclenching, for god’s sake. Believe me, you have no idea who we are and how unclenched we might be…

about this if kids ask thing, then they’re ready to know. Not always. A teacher that my child had in 2nd grade (a private church run school at the time) brought up the question of abortion, in the classroom, which brought up all sorts of questions to me about it…and sex..and what a can of worms. Yes, we answered, as succinctly as we could – not going into depth about it…but, wow, she wasn’t ready. And that was supposed to be my job when I thought the time appropriate. Yes, we left that school after that year.

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[JoB]

So.. you get to call me a tight a.. for being concerned about questionable advertising..

but.. have you asked yourself at what age it would be acceptable for your daughter to come home denuded because she and her friends saw that add or others like it on the sidewalk and thought that meant it was cool?

or what if your daughter decides to keep herself “clean” when puberty hits because ads like that convince her that hair is so .. offensive?

have you seen the age at which young girls are dressing provocatively these days?

when you decide that pretty much everything acceptable for adults is acceptable to advertise on our streets .. what message do you send to the kids who see those ads?

the lines we draw as a society can have very real unintended consequences

where do you draw the line?

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[PangolinPie]

I just want to point out that on the Wax On website, they say that clients under the age of 18 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian: http://www.waxon.com/appointments/

Personally I think 18 is old enough for a person to decide this matter on their own.

And for the record, I don’t wanna (ouch!!) but I fully support the right of all humans to do whatever they want with their bodies, from shaving/waxing up to extreme body modifications. Only one person should be able to decide what an adult does with their bod, and that’s the adult themselves.

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[JoB]

PangoliniPie

there is no question that Waxon spa is catering to adults

but there is also no question in my mind that kids ape adults on their own…

and sometimes not so successfully

remember ice cube and potato ear piercing?

or ….

the first time i shaved i made a real mess of my legs because i did it myself…

without any guidance on how to do it right.

i still have a small scar from that attempt at mimicking adult beauty

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[VBD]

The “what about the kids” argument is a favorite of people wanting to restrict the free expression of others.

From marriage, to consumption of substances, to waxing your ya-ya.

Routinely being exposed to statements, images, and ideas that many would find objectionable is a hallmark of a free society.

Hooray for Wax On! By making some people uncomfortable, they are fulfilling their patriotic duty!

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[JoB]

VBD..

no .. the “what about kids” argument is a favorite of people who spend a fair amount of time helping adults work through the “unintended side effects” of the “free expression” of the adults around them when they were young.

you talk about patriotic duty

i was raised to believe that patriotic duty included more than a small dose of responsibility

and that doesn’t mean responsibility to get anything and everything you might think you should have coming to you regardless of the cost to others.

not saying that you are saying that

but that is the root of the argument you just made..

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[Cait]

Yeah – and I don’t really think it’s anyone’s business at what age they think their kid is ready to learn about this kinda stuff. In this context that’s creepily personal.

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[PangolinPie]

What about tattoo businesses? Not only are the results a lot more permanent than waxing, they’re a lot more visible and more likely to be emulated by kids. Should THEY be allowed to advertise on street corners?

Oh hell; I shouldn’t go here but as someone said, ’tis the season to be contrary. So…what would you say is worse:

1. having a Brazilian in your Netherlands

or

2. A lifetime of morbid obesity, causing health and mobility problems and a shorter lifespan? And of those two, which is more likely to be noticed by kids? Which is more likely to be passed on from parent to child? Which is more heavily promoted by media and on street corners? Should we prohibit Trophy Cupcakes from having a sidewalk sign, because young children might think it’s ok to eat a lot of cupcakes?

I hope you’ll agree that while it’s NOBODY’S business how large or tattooed or hairy a person is, we cannot prohibit businesses from advertising things that might result in physical largeness, body markings, or a hairless hoo-ha. It’s the parents’ business to communicate with their kids about the dangers and temptations they will face in the real world. And come on, it’s not like they’re showing anything SO graphic on the sign. I’ve seen much worse in Europe. Kids there seem to manage just fine.

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[F16CrewChief]

If the sign is not offending anyone’s race, gender, sexual preference and/or religion, then press on honestly.

As for the kids thing again, let me give an example of a day in the life of me….LOL.

I few years back, on a nice summer day down at Alki, my two older kids and me were walking down the beach with some friends of mine from Queens. We stopped for a moment so they could take pictures when my 8 year son spots two ladies putting suntan lotion on each other. Caught with amazement staring at these two ladies, my son says to us, “I don’t know why, but I find this very interesting!” Completely caught off guard by my sons comment, I crack a smile and can only assume whats going through his head. I myself am not a whistling, hootie-hoo kinda guy, so this was awkward for me. To save my son from a embarrassing convo in front of friends and family, I didn’t press him for more info right then and there. Later however, in private I spoke with him. He was unsure why he found it interesting, but at that time I explained that he would be finding himself attracted to people and there was appropriate ways to handle those feelings.

Point being, children will find ways to ask you to explain things to them, directly or indirectly. It’s my job as a parent to hear my child’s questions and address them accordingly. So whether it be a goofy sign with a sexual innuendo or my child seeing two ladies in bikini’s rubbing suntan lotion on each other, I have to be prepared. I cannot shelter them from everything.

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[wsmama3]

F16CrewChief – I’m with you. It’s a chance to have a conversation (IF it evens comes up!) about your families beliefs, what is AOK to talk about (when and with who), what adult humor is or is not, and advertising (what my 8 year old knows already) ” made to trick you”

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[JoB]

F16CrewChief

if all kids had parents like you this conversation wouldn’t be happening

i wish they did… but they don’t…

they definitely didn’t when i was a kid

and it’s obvious that too many don’t now

cait..

what i find creepy is that anyone would think that advertising aimed at adults

for activities that adults have to be 18 to indulge in

should be advertised on the street

where kids of any age can see them

regardless of whether their parents are present or not

because that is what we are talking about here

the unfettered right to advertise services/activities aimed at adults

on a signboard placed on a well traveled public street..

not the unfettered right of adults to access those services

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[PangolinPie]

Only over-18 activities? So…no alcohol ads, no tattoo parlor signs, no encouragement to vote, no posters recruiting for the military (actually, that is one I can get behind), no lottery ticket sales ads, no blood drives, no advertising Costco memberships, no loan advertising, no credit card ads, no encouragement to adopt a child or get married (in some states), sign legal documents or serve on a jury…no ads for any of these things on public streets, you say?

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[JoB]

Pie..

i get that all of the advertised activities you listed require one to be 18 to participate…

and i agree that glorifying some of those activities in ads is probably not so good for kids

but that’s just about the only thing they have in common with “a clean Beaver gets more wood”…

the sign clearly states

“a clean beaver gets more wood”

i struggle to find any way to read that that does not contain strong sexual connotations

and that doesn’t imply that the road to more sex includes their services

the website may say that those services are for those over the age of 18

but the sign definitely doesn’t.

the fact that the sign advertises an act that we wouldn’t want depicted on a sidewalk board in a “cute” way doesn’t diminish the message…

in fact, the cuteness only serves to enforce the image

i get that some people may have thought my description of this practice as genital mutilation was over the top..

though i stand by it for some pretty strong reasons

i’m too sexy for my boots shouldn’t pertain to pre-pubescent children..

yet in too many cases … what we condone

ignoring that denuding the genital area …

a practice promoted by pedophiles and pornographers …

has any connotation other than a grooming choice

to make a point about individual adult choices

misses the point entirely

if as an adult, you wish to make that choice (waxing)

and i am not implying that you have

go for it…

wax away to your heart’s (or your lover’s) content

i could care less

i just don’t think the practice should be promoted on the city streets

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[funkietoo]

This is paradox of Free Speech. We don’t get to support it only when we agree with it. I’m pro-choice and do not like the tactics that some anti-abortion groups use (because I think it’s akin to lying and/or grossing people out), however, I will fight for their right to Free Speech every.single.time.

Same with this sign. I may or may not think it is appropriate, however, they have the (legal) right to place it on the street just as any other Alaska Junction Business does.

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[Seattle Trash]

Not sure where this conversation has gone since the OP, but no, I don’t think it’s offensive. If your child asks, be honest. If you don’t like it, take your business elsewhere. My god.

Free speech sometimes make people uncomfortable, and this is far from causing another harm. dealwithit.gif

Oh no. I just some of the comments above. I guess things haven’t changed much since I used to visit more frequently a few years back ;-)

Have fun, kids.

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[JanS]

as I reread many of the above comments, some agreeing, some not agreeing. I notice, too, that there are a few who are dumped on for practicing their free speech. Please, Mr/Ms Trash, tell me free speech is not only for those that you agree with. It applies to all, even if you don’t like what they are saying, even if some think they “need to unclench”, even if you think that what they are saying is “over the top”.

I’m pretty sure the OP was serious in her post, and sure enough, this has turned into a serious discussion.Perhaps too serious for some.

Yes, deal with it applies for all…just like that free speech…

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[CountingCoup]

I thoroughly enjoyed this line of musings ~ witty, smart, edgy, and entertaining just like West Seattle despite the truly suburban request to keep it Auburn…

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[PangolinPie]

Hey CountingCoup, I like your avatar. :-3

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[Walker]

Jans, I re read through all the posts, and no one had their speech restricted. They might have been mocked for the ridiculous statement that beaver shaving was genital mutilation and that a witty piece of copy on an A board was going to wreck a generation of WS children. When someone disagrees with you, they are not blocking your free speech, they are practicing their own.

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[JanS]

and one of the things that has always existed here is to make a comment about the topic, not about the poster of that comment. The editor of this blog and this forum specifically stated to not make comments personal. The poster should be able to state her opinion without being mocked.

Everyone have a great day…this topic has run it’s course for me..

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[hoffanimal]

“Everyone have a great day…this topic has run it’s course for me..”

Wish I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard that on this site.

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[JustSarah]

Ooh, I’m lucky #100!

I have been watching this thread since the beginning, but refrained from posting, even after the ridiculous assertion that a bikini or Brazilian wax is genital mutilation. But I have a few free minutes and want to weigh in (and maybe push this over to three pages?). I am most certainly a feminist, and a fairly traditional one at that (as in, I don’t buy into the theory that stripping or prostitution can be “feminist” behaviors, because they are first and foremost rooted in misogyny), but I will defend a woman’s right to a clean beaver if she so chooses. And guess what? There are plenty of women who do like to be waxed because they feel it heightens sensation. For that matter, there are many men who choose to do so for the same reason. It is not mutilation. To claim so in the name of feminism is ridiculous and is what has made “feminism” a bad word to so many Americans.

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