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September 6, 2008 at 4:31 pm #637611
JoBParticipantWalfredo…
i don’t think there is anything wrong with attending several schools…
what i am concerned with is a pattern of doing what it takes to get by as opposed to a pattern of really working to achieve your goals.
In my case, i was working the school system to achieve my goals by going to several schools… at the same time. (they had a limit on the number of credits you could take at a time in those days) I attended 6+ schools over a period of 4 years.. while raising 2 very young children.
I used the school system to achieve my purpose as rapidly as possible.. not to get by as easily as possible. And i know a lot of people of all ages just like me..
I am tired of people who just want to work the system to get the most they can out of it with the least effort setting the example for our children that hard work just makes you a chump.
That attitude is now reflected in all aspects of our society… including but not limited to those who somehow think societies rules and regulations just don’t apply to them.
If we are gong to turn this nation around, we need to turn it around from the bottom up.. and that means setting a good example for our children.
I don’t think Sarah Palin’s educational record sets an example i want our nation’s children to follow.
if she is as smart as they say… she did herself and her country a disservice by sliding.
If she isn’t, we have seen first hand the harm ignorance can do.
And by the way.. i define an ignorant individual as someone whose ego gets in the way of their making informed decisions. They “know” better than those “uppity” bast..ds with an education.
another attitude that sadly seems to have made it’s way into our national social structure…
I am with Obama. Enough!
September 7, 2008 at 6:41 am #637612
RainyDay1235MemberI’m sorry, but these people are running for PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT of the United States. I EXPECT them to have obtained a great education (Obama cum Laude Harvard, McCain bottom 1% of Naval Academy), have completed some sort of community service (sorry if that’s beneath you Sara), be extremely intelligent, charismatic and good at public speaking (again, sorry McCain). That is the MINIMUM they should come to the table with. They absolutely should be held to a higher standard than your average young adult “trying to figure their life out”.
September 7, 2008 at 5:18 pm #637613
angelescrestParticipantRD,
Yes, the MINIMUM. We should not even have to IMAGINE someone in the position of P and VP with such a lack of vital credentials. What audacity!
September 7, 2008 at 6:59 pm #637614
WSMomParticipantthe audacity of mediocrity versus the audacity of hope
September 7, 2008 at 9:47 pm #637615
JennyMember>k: just read that sarah palin attended 6 colleges over 6 years.
>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hjGaAjQoUCE3VQ4N3M852LEdOVtwD93066JG1
Oh, it’s worse than that. You misread the article’s headline. The actual headline reads:
> VP hopeful Palin attended 5 colleges in 6 years
See that? It says Palin attended 7 colleges in 6 years! That’s even more damning than the 6 colleges you thought you read.
;-)
September 7, 2008 at 9:53 pm #637616
JennyMember> CP: Well… McCain graduated in the bottom one percent of his Naval Academy (http://www.nndb.com/people/914/000023845/ for those interested in sources) and Palin went to 6 different schools (I don’t care why, it shows a lack of commitment!)
> This does not bode well.
Perhaps, but unfortunately it’s not out of the ordinary these days:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A37397-2000Mar18
From his lower school years at St. Albans to his incomplete effort at Vanderbilt law school, Gore was often an underachiever. Though his IQ numbers and aptitude test scores were well above average, his grades were uneven, never approaching the plateau of A’s and B’s that might be expected of one who possesses such a pedagogical demeanor. His generally middling college grades at Harvard in fact bear a close resemblance to the corresponding Yale marks of his presidential opponent, George W. Bush, whose studiousness and brainpower have been more open to question during this campaign.
September 7, 2008 at 11:31 pm #637617
JanSParticipantand Gore is running for what? apples/oranges in my book…sorry
September 8, 2008 at 2:53 am #637618
ZenguyParticipantExactly, Gore is not in this race. We are looking for the best of the best and all we can find is the lowest one percent of a graduating class and someone that went to the University of bikinis and beer guzzling on the Republican side?
September 8, 2008 at 3:07 am #637619
JoBParticipantJenny is right.. many of our nation’s politicians haven’t exactly excelled in school..
and look where that got us.
It’s not pretty when you have someone who never learned to understand the difference between facts and opinions and then you let them make the really tough decisions for us.
This is why we need more than a pretty face and a great shtick… we need someone with more than a little knowledge behind all those promises and even more important.. someone who is smart enough to know how dumb they are and ask for information.. not justifications for their position.
We don’t live in simple times and it is going to take a lot more than rhetoric to clean this mess up.
September 8, 2008 at 3:11 am #637620
angelescrestParticipantGore has had the prescience of mind to devote himself to Global Warming–the high aptitude certainly evident.
Well, gosh, who knows? Maybe (after his stint in the White House) Bush will show that same intelligence.
September 8, 2008 at 3:19 am #637621
ZenguyParticipantI would love to make a bet on whether or not he ever finds it…odds?
September 8, 2008 at 4:26 am #637622
inactiveMemberHuindekmi – thanks for the link!
Sarah Palin received, finally, her degree in Journalism from the University of Idaho. However, the U ofI’s Journalism program was not accredited by the governing body overseeing the professional standards for journalism education in higher Education (colleges and universities). I would give you the name of that accrediting group, but I lost the link. But, I’m not making this up.
So, in other words, she received a “professional” sounding journalism program bachelor’s degree, but one which is not, in reality, recognized by professional journalism, or more specifically, professional post-secondary journalism educators.
The school she received her diploma from was a state university, with lower admission standards, considerably lower, than The Naval Academy (McCain) or Harvard (Obama) or Syracuse Law School (Biden) Admission standards for Ivy League (including Navy) are hard wired IQ tests.
I have to consider where she was able to get in. It is an indicator of intellect, like it or not. So, maybe other past Presidents or VP’s were not at the top of their Ivy League or Law School classes. BUT!!!!! THEY WERE IN IVY LEAGUE COLLEGES OR LAW SCHOOL, which automatically separates them from regular folk. Like me. They are SMART AND DRIVEN!
So, I can’t ignore the discrepancies. She is a heart beat away, as everyone is saying, from the Presidency of the largest superpower in the world.
Sure, we can all be cynical about the stupid decisions politicians make, once elected and the trouble they create, but do you recall ANYONE with this much educational/achievement deficit running as VP? If you do, please remind who…
How can an uneducated woman who only knows how to talk smack via media under the most controlled conditions, have the chutzpah to say she is prepared to ethically assume leadership of the world, for all intents and purposes, if called to do so. It is starting to make me a little nauseated to contemplate. She is like the Stepford nominee – creepy.
I know I said I wouldn’t participate in political discussions…you guys can be so…you know. So. Be nice. And, don’t infer too much….with all due respect, I don’t really have the time to refute and explain what I mean.
My point is that she is not, and never was, trained professionally by an accredited professional journalism program. The other important point is my inquiry as to whether there has been, in presidential elections, other candidates who were this lackluster in their post-secondary education?
Aside from President Abraham Lincoln;).
September 8, 2008 at 4:47 am #637623
charlabobParticipantAs a graduate of the University of *Iowa* Journalism school, who wouldn’t even pretend to think I was qualified to be Vice President, I suspect she went to Idaho because it sounded like Iowa, which is accredited and highly respected.
In other words, there’s a difference between intelligence and wiliness and she is very wiley and cunning. That’s why the freepers, especially, love her .. right LO and J? Did they send you or did you come on your own? LOLhehehehehe:-)
September 8, 2008 at 4:53 am #637624
JoBParticipanti think we have spent more time dissecting her education than she spent getting one:)
Let’s face it, she was just sent home to Alaska to learn what she should have known prior to the nomination.. and is so aware of her presence on the national stage that she takes her infant riding in a state automobile without putting him in an infant safety seat.. and doesn’t see why it should be a big deal.
this woman is soooo far out of her league.
can we talk about something interesting now? I suspect she is not going to be the nominee long enough to justify this much attention.
tho i admit she is entertaining.. in a train wreck sort of way.
September 8, 2008 at 8:41 pm #637625
inactiveMemberCharlabob – You think I’m a freeper? yikers. i had to google that, btw. But, no, not a freeper. lol. I think I must have used the retro “s” word – “superpower” – a little too loosely and you took it as code for ultraright? Or could it be I said leader of the world and you thought I meant the one and only and better than the world? See, this is a beautiful example of why I don’t write on the forum – a lack of editing will sink the point of the post. You were being facetious, right? ;)
JoB – I have not had the time to read all of the nomination threads yet so I don’t know where this post will mirror any other discussion, but I am glad you mentioned the possibility of her not making the cut. At this point, to me, the only way this VP candidate makes sense is that this is a bait and switch strategy. But, I am not a political junkie. Even so, I will be trying to catch up on the other threads and continue to read legitimate sites/sources.
Ok. There’s my $.02. Such a bargain ;).
September 8, 2008 at 9:17 pm #637626
JoBParticipantwestseattledood…
yes, i think this has all the earmarks of a bait and switch… on more than one level… i think she makes McCain look almost benevolent… which has been reflected in the threads… and i think she is the perfect set-up for someone slightly less offensive.. while giving McCain a press bump and a diversion from actual issues he badly needed.
but i don’t think chalabob thought you were a freeper… you are far too intelligent to be mistaken for one.. and not just becasue you agree with me ;~>
i am pretty sure that was aimed elsewhere.
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