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May 8, 2008 at 3:15 am #622968
WSMomParticipantMy mom and dad are very old school when it comes to racial stereotypes. I love them in spite of this. When I told my mom I was chosen to be a delegate for Barack Obama, she cried out “oh no! I thought for sure you’d vote for Hillary”. She then went on with some annoying early morning radio talk show tidbits about Obama that made me cringe. I stopped talking with them about the election, I figured it was not worth the aggravation. Imagine my surprise when my mom told me of a phone conversation she had yesterday. A nice woman called her to remind her to vote for Hillary. Mom said, “oh I’m sorry, I just mailed my ballot and I voted for Obama.” I’m thinking “WHAT?” She went on to say that she told the lady “the young people are so excited about him she feels she needs to give him her support”. So I’m here to say, if my mom will place her vote for a black man over a woman she really respects, I’m confident that Obama will win over the Hillary lovers and McCain followers (does anyone really “love” McCain??) and become the next president of the US! I’m just sure of it!!!
May 8, 2008 at 6:07 pm #622969
AnonymousInactiveI just read this morning that more Democrats will vote for “Sidney” as opposed to Republicans who will vote for Barack Hussein Obama. 22% to 13%.
“Mr. Obama runs behind Mrs. Clinton’s numbers when matched against Mr.McCain in key industrial battleground states.”
May 8, 2008 at 6:13 pm #622970
JenVMemberHorse crap. No self respecting Dem would vote for McCain. Where did this data come from – Faux News?
Typical Repug nonsense portayed as real news. If they feed us pablum, we eat it up.
People, think for yourselves and do not listen to the media trying to sway your vote. Vote with your heart, vote with your head.
May 8, 2008 at 6:17 pm #622971
JoBParticipantNewResident…
There’s a lot of wishful thinking going on here.
i think John Sidney McCain just hasn’t been confronted with the press yet…
so all America hears about him is that he is some kind of maverick hero. It’s a great story.
He may be a hero.. but he is no maverick… and if network press won’t look any closer… you can guarantee paid adds will…. which should generate some critical press.
Besides… he won’t stand up to either Hillary or Obama without Lieberman in his ear in a debate… and he will have to actually debate, you know.
That ought to be entertaining…
May 8, 2008 at 6:20 pm #622972
JoBParticipantNew Resident…
i forgot to ask.. have you taken the McCain/Bush test?
i know.. it’s brought to you by the democratic forces of evil… but it’s pretty interesting anyway…
What you don’t know might surprise you.. it’s only 5 questions… and you don’t have to admit your score here:)
i don’t remember where we hid that thing… could someone pop the link back up?
May 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm #622973
AnonymousInactiveIt is just a statistic, not an opinion.
I like how anything written AGAINST Barack Huseein Obama is considered to be ridiculous lies, but everything good written is considered truth.
Can you honestly not see the double standard here?
And believe it or not, there actually ARE democrats that do not like Barack Hussein Obama (and, I believe, he has brought that on all by himself). Throughout this race, we have seen several, just on this forum alone, who have professed they would not vote for one candidate or the other if their favorite isn’t the nominee. The Dems are disloyal and it will show come November.
May 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm #622974
JoBParticipantoh.. and jokes aside…
how about we all do the civil thing and call them Senator McCain, Senator Clinton and Senator Obama?
the middle name joke has gone far enough…
May 8, 2008 at 6:22 pm #622975
beachdrivegirlParticipantI think it was on the Go Barack page, from WSMom. (I could be mistaken though.)
It will be interesting to see if Hagee’s comments (whom McCain courted for nearly a year) have a similar effect on his ratings as compared to Wright on Obama’s.
May 8, 2008 at 6:25 pm #622976
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl…
they won’t. Hagee isn’t his pastor…
but his associations may bring the subject of religious bigotry to the forefront…. which would be a good thing.
May 8, 2008 at 6:27 pm #622977
JenVMemberNR, if you’re gonna throw his middle name around as an insult, at least spell it correctly, k?
and if we’re going to discuss McCain, let’s not forget that all he wants to do is “bomb bomb bomb Iran” – the man is a warmonger, he is dishonest, he flip flops on EVERY issue he is confronted with, then tries to make cute with jokes about how old he is. Aww, he’s old and falls asleep! Isn’t that adorable? He is a repugnant human being in every sense of the word, and I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to vote for him. But, y’all voted in the biggest dummy in the world back in 2000 – what else can we expect from you?
More of the same.
May 8, 2008 at 6:32 pm #622978
AnonymousInactiveJoB – I agree that it would be the civil thing to call each candidate by their one last name, however, as long as everyone wants to refer to McCain as “McSame” or “the senile old white guy”, I will be using their full names.
I also agree that “Sidney” has not had ANY bad press so far (real bad, anyways) or, really any press at all. That topic was in the same article saying that “Sidney” is mentioned in the press 20% of the time compared to the 2 Dem nominees 60-70%. Obviously, who will be the Democratic candidate is more newsworthy at this present time, but come fall, we are going to have our hands full with coverage of “Sidney”.
I also am not looking forward to those debates.
May 8, 2008 at 6:35 pm #622979
AnonymousInactiveJenV – Let’s all get a hold of ourselves. His middle name is not an insult! We already went through all that yesterday.
However, calling McCain, “McSame”, would be considered an insult. See how that works? One is an ACTUAL name that was given by is parents, the other is a nickname someone on this forum made up.
Sorry about the typo. Sometimes it happens.
May 8, 2008 at 6:38 pm #622980
JenVMemberbut, you have to admit- when used by Republicans in a “debate” it serves NO OTHER PURPOSE but to remind us of his Muslim heritage. Get it in there, get that little dig in, so that is all the stupid little sheeple will remember when headed to the polls. “gee, Hussein, huh? must be one of them thar Terror-ists! I better vote for the “War Hero!” It’s all subliminal- well, not exactly- they do it with so little gentleness it is pretty super-liminal now. When it is thrown out there like that, it is meant only as an insult- and to claim otherwise is to insult all of our intelligence.
May 8, 2008 at 6:44 pm #622981
JoBParticipantNew Resident…
i agree that there has been far too much name calling in this election…
but using Barak’s middle name isn’t really on par with “McSame”, “McShame” or “senile old white guy”…
maybe your could find a way to be more creative?
I have heard Obama called “the second coming” .. or “the great black hope”… or ??? not being that much into name calling myself i can’t think of any others… and i am aware those aren’t really good examples…. but i am sure that the republican press has a few that i just passed over as tasteless.
tasteless is always better than allusions to bigotry.
and no.. i bet you aren’t looking forward to the debates.
May 8, 2008 at 6:44 pm #622982
beachdrivegirlParticipantTwo things:
First here is the tell a difference between mccain and bush. (gave me a laugh)
http://www.bush-mccainchallenge.com/
here is a link that i found interseting on voting trends. not sure how accurate it is but interesing nonetheless
May 8, 2008 at 6:48 pm #622983
charlabobParticipantG-d, I wish I had thought of McSame — Jon Stewart did that one and he gets paid a lot more for these lines than I do. McSame is a way of alluding to the fact that a vote for him is a vote for 4 more years of the same. It’s shorthand and it’s apparently effective shorthand.
BTW, my name for McCain when he refuses to support the New GI Bill of Rights is McShame. I think that one is mine and I like it even more, though it isn’t very damned funny.
Oddly, I don’t agree at all with the remarks about his age. I *do* think sound bites of his confused malapropisms are appropriate, but I’d argue those aren’t age-related. There are also a lot of 80 year olds who are on top of everything….I’d be happy to elect any of them, as long as they’re Democrats :-)
(NR, Are you working on your Miami Beach pronunciation of Sidney?)
May 8, 2008 at 6:48 pm #622984
AnonymousInactiveI liked your quote of the “John Doe Republican”. It was funny.
All I can do is tell you that I am sorry you feel I am insulting your intelligence. That is not, and never was, my intent.
However wouldn’t saying, “y’all voted in the biggest dummy in the world back in 2000 – what else can we expect from you? More of the same.” be insulting my intelligence?
And the use of the term “Repug”, I believe, is pretty insulting.
If you feel insulted (as I have NUMEROUS, times while reading through all the forum Dem’s posts), I say deal with it as I have. It is hypocritical to get all up in arms about one little post I make, when for 3 to 4 months, I have been enduring my party, my parties candidate and even my morals being attacked.
May 8, 2008 at 6:57 pm #622985
charlabobParticipantThis note is strictly for dems. Repubs, please ignore :-)
IF we persist in thinking silly names and other snark are beneath us we will lose. It’s really that simple.
The only time I ever got on national talk radio, I had a wonderful time talking with David Binder — who thought we shouldn’t “stoop” to something or other.
We played wonderful, intellectual, tennis — but, bottom line, is if we chastise each other for McSame, McShane, the cootster, we will lose.
Faux news tried desperately to play the “snarky political humor game”. They failed, not because they were political or snarky — because they left off the humor part. (Bet you never knew the show was on, did you? That’s part of why they failed.)
Every time I read something that says, “Look out — the Repugs will do anything — they will be mean — get used to it — you aren’t tough enough,” I am sad beyond belief because it means we don’t get it. All of that is true and we have to make sure that the Republican candidates, at every level, know the same thing will happen to them.
In polls, people claim they don’t like the meanness, backbiting, and negative ads. But they respond to them. They also say they aren’t racists or sexist and that they’ll vote for a black man or a woman. We’ll see.
The good news is, over the past twenty years, people have learned the right answers…what they’re supposed to say. Maybe in the next twenty they’ll start to believe them.
May 8, 2008 at 6:58 pm #622986
JoBParticipantbeachdrivegirl…
this was interesting…
i looked at the democratic defections to McCain if Obama is the nominee and the largest demographic is older white women… and by older, i am talking about women older than me… and the percentage increases with poverty.
if you look at it.. it just makes sense… these ladies lived sexism… and are now direct beneficiaries of that process in their reduced financial circumstances in retirement.
They are a huge voting block… And they are pretty reliable voters…
i am sure they are aware how overlooked they are by the Obama campaign… and are probably pretty indignant at the treatment of Hillary.. but i wonder if they realize how little McCain has mentioned women in this campaign?
i would expect that we are going to see him actively courting older women very soon.
Obama would be smart to mend some fences and do the same.
And we need to make sure that a mail in ballot campaign for the elderly is a large part of our get out the vote strategy this fall.
May 8, 2008 at 7:02 pm #622987
JenVMemberGeorge W. Bush IS an insult to all of our intelligence. I go on a hair trigger because every REPUBLICAN I know is nothing but smug, smug, smug about how he has raped this country and our constitution, killed many good people who only wanted to serve their country, and made America become a joke worldwide and gotten away with it. If I insinuated that REPUBLICANS are dumb for voting him in and persisting in calling it “ok” then fine, so be it. It’s true. You (all) did it, defend it.
I don’t give a rats A$$ if you insult my intelligence- I am secure in my intelligence. I just hope the American people are smarter than the REPUBLICANS and the REPUBLICAN fueled media gives them credit for.
Just out of curiousity- why are you a REPUBLICAN NR? When I ask this question of other young people, they always say “I was raised that way” or “my spouse is, so I am” – so what is your reason, and why after “enduring” your party, as you call it- you continue to defend them?
(I do not mean it as an insult- I really would like to know. I will lay off the “repugs”, ok? Sorry if you thought I was insulting you personally NR.)
May 8, 2008 at 7:03 pm #622988
AnonymousInactiveJust out of curiosity, at what age are we considered elderly? I have some time to figure it out, but I’d like to know for future reference.
May 8, 2008 at 7:04 pm #622989
AnonymousInactivecharla – I know I was supposed to ignore, but, of course, I didn’t.
I couldn’t agree with you more!!
This election will get ugly – really ugly! Nicknames and name calling is silly in comparison to what is to come.
That’s all I was trying to point out. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it back. No one can tell me what I should and should not call Obama, just like I would never send a post asking all of you Dems to not use particular words or phrases that are offensive to me.
I will refer to each candidate by their last name out of respect for everyone on this forum, maybe you all could do the same.
May 8, 2008 at 7:07 pm #622990
AnonymousInactiveJT – I think, technically, it’s when you are able to start qualifying for senior discounts.
However, in my opinion, your as young as you feel and it is mostly a state of mind.
I’ve known some VERY young old people and some VERY old young people, know what I mean?
May 8, 2008 at 7:10 pm #622991
AnonymousInactiveNR, did you get my email? And yes I totally know what you mean. It’s just every elderly (80’s) person I know thinks the name refers to others.
May 8, 2008 at 7:10 pm #622992
charlabobParticipantI have to admit I skim most of the posts, not from lack of interest but from lack of time, but I just had a light-bulb insight:
We’re all starting to identify with “our candidates” entirely too much.
I’m pretty sure when JenV says, “You all voted in the biggest dummy in the world,” she meant the editorial “You-all” — not “You-All NR, you dummy”.
In fact, I include as dummies the people on the left who refused to vote for Gore for some reason or another, even though I suspect one of those might be my own dear bob.
Is Bush the biggest dummy ever? Probably not, because IMNHO he accomplished exactly what he set out to do. Certainly not something people on my side have pulled off. If you think anyone who calls him a dummy is talking about you, you’ll suffer from needless hurt feelings.
Some of us really don’t identify with our candidates (though we’ve wearily tired of explaining that.) Some of you have even claimed to loathe candidate X because you loathe me. Hyperbole? Who knows or cares? But it is an extreme of identifying with someone and ultimately, irrelevant. You can find lots of reasons to like or dislike Obama; disliking him because I like him is silly. (I’m using myself as an example here because I’ve seen it happen with very many other people in this political year…if it was just about me, it wouldn’t interest even me.)
The point is, identifying with anyone or anything other than oneself is not healthy and, I think, causes hurt feelings where pure blind rage and wry amusement might suffice equally well.
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