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December 20, 2008 at 2:32 am #589093
GenHillOneParticipantOkay, just for fun, let’s have a little Palin relief from the snow:
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081219/POLITICS-US-PALIN/
It’s the gift that keeps on giving!
December 20, 2008 at 3:54 am #651006
JeannieParticipantHa-ha! Run, Bristol, run! Your own family is weird enough; you don’t want to marry into a meth clan. Besides, the dude’s just not that into you – one can tell by the body language. Brisol, you and your baby-to-be can do better.
Folks, brace yourselves for an avalanche of jokes. “What will they call the kid? Methhew, Elizameth, or Bristol Meth?”
December 20, 2008 at 4:00 am #651007
mellaw6565Memberlol Jeannie at the Bristol Meth!
December 20, 2008 at 4:16 am #651008
JoBParticipanti can’t help feeling sorry for the kid. she never had a chance.
December 20, 2008 at 4:24 am #651009
flowerpetalMemberI’m certainly no fan of SP. However, I do find it difficult to laugh about someone’s drug addiction; even this one.
Now SP’s comments about it… which will likely include some huge gaffe, I will be right there to hoot and holler.
December 20, 2008 at 4:42 am #651010
JeannieParticipantWell, drug addiction is sad, but manufacturing and selling drugs (perhaps to minors?) is just plain criminal. If it were “only” addiction, I don’t know if mom-in-law would be charged with “charged with six felony counts of misconduct involving a controlled substance.” “Troopers charged Johnston with second-degree misconduct involving a controlled substance — generally manufacturing or delivering drugs — as well as fourth-degree misconduct involving controlled substances, or possession”
December 23, 2008 at 6:03 pm #651011
HMC RichParticipantYa know, I see the glee expressed when Republicans and Palin get made fun of. Remember the deejays that punkd Mrs. Palin? I did find it humorous to a degree myself.
Just to be fair, I thought I would let you see this little tidbit.
I do not deny this comes from the Newsbusters.org pages. (A known Right Wing Propoganda Media Watchdog. Ruff Ruff)
The New York Slimes. All the rhetoric and spin that is fit to print.
PS. I have changed my name from Heavy Metal Conservative to HMC Rich. Merry Christmas and please be safe.
December 23, 2008 at 6:09 pm #651012
JenVMemberIf my son were about to marry into that family, I might start doing meth, too. Add to that being a grandma at the age of 42? Man. It’s enough to drive anyone to drugs. ;)
December 23, 2008 at 7:05 pm #651013
JoBParticipantAww Jen…
i was a grandma at 38. thank god i was blissfully unaware.. i might have had to give up those thigh high boots:)
and a great grandma at 59… aware and not at all fossilized… thighs are too fat for the boots.. they went long ago :(
but still… no meth… tho who knows what the future holds :)
HMC Rich.. thank you for changing your handle… this one is so much easier to type:)
re: the times.. the news just isn’t what it used to be.. or news organizations for that matter.
the good news is that the times apologized for getting it wrong..
unlike FOX news which successfully defended it’s right to edit the news to eliminate conflicting information and to print information it knew to be false.
Hmmmm.. i think my disapproval of that has nothing to do with politics..
but i can see why it would be politically expedient to point fingers elsewhere…
as for ….”the glee expressed when Republicans and Palin get made fun of. “
Sarah Palin never would have appeared on our collective radar if the republicans hadn’t fielded her as a vice presidential nominee… a politically motivated move that made Sarah’s life embarrassingly public.
The real tragedy is that she still seems unaware that she has made a soap opera of not only her life but that of her children… and by reflection.. that of her party.
If the democrats had fielded Sarah as a candidate i doubt that republicans would just be poking fun…
However, the very same people who would howl with derision if she had been a democratic candidate are touting her political future. Go figure.
We can laugh or we can cry.
Maybe it’s better that we laugh.
December 25, 2008 at 6:37 am #651014
HMC RichParticipantGood Evening. I appreciate your answers but I am going to take this a bit further.
Yes Mrs. Palin was fielded as the VP and her life came to be known by EVERYONE. A concerted effort by the media was affected to dig up as much information about her and her family, her record etc. I said before I had no problem with that. But certain items in the Obama camp seem to have been given the red carpet treatment. Disinformation was expounded by both sides but untrue statements were attributed to Palin. She and McCain did make some errors (as did Obama) but many of the large city newspapers and big media gave more favorable coverage to Obama than McCain. The Pew Center even backs that up.
Remember, Palin went against her Party and went after mismanegment and resigned from a comfortable position to fight that mismanagement in government and then knocked the incumbent from the Governors seat. Her dealings with the Oil Companies brought cash directly to the citizens of Alaska and her state has a government surplus unlike our state which Gagwoire is almost ruining. I am aware of her ethics violations, which pale in comparison to Blago,
Right now the press should ascertain if there is any connection with Blagojevich and Obama. Other than normal Illinois politics I bet there has been some contact between the two groups. With teeth gritted the press are saying there was minor contact with Rahm Emanuel. I would even expect some but Obama is trying to steer clear and say there has been no contact (which I can believe and which any incoming president would want) but a lot of the press wants this possible connection to go away.
This is the same press that kept saying the stock market was going up because of Obama, but when it went down he had nothing to do with it. Give me a break.
The New York Times gets nailed for misinformation all the time. At a minimum they are sloppy and lazy. Their agenda is fairly clear and to see their missteps one generally needs only to go to Times Watch and the Media Research Center.
Where did you hear Fox Snooze was purposely reporting false information? Media Matters? They did screw up the Begala story. That is clear. Day by day I would put Fox up against the Times in truth any day. I also give them credit for bringing on guests from both parties. Fox pushes fair and balanced but it does tilt right. The NYT tilts so far left that it might fall on its side.
I would like to laugh but I feel more like crying. The press has a responsibility to keep government in line. All I want is the facts from the reporters, not opinions, I come here for opinions and go to the OP Ed pages for opinions.
Obama struck a cord with many people. Palin engergized McCain’s campaign because she was what the conservatives (not moderate republicans) liked in a politician. Whether people like her or hate her, she is most likely going to be around now. If she has more missteps then fine, but if people are just attacking out of malice, well that just shows how rotten politics can be. IMO most people do not remember the past few VP candidates as well as her. In my way of thinking, that means she is a threat to left thinking people and will not be shown any mercy.
I just hope they don’t kill anymore Turkeys behind her for awhile (LOL)
December 25, 2008 at 4:56 pm #651015
JoBParticipantHMC Rich..
according to BBC… Obama does admit contact with Blagojevich as does Rahm Emannuel.. contact but not compliance in a plan to bid out the appointment to the mayor’s benefit… and the press is looking under that rock… even the international press.
“Remember, Palin went against her Party and went after mismanegment and resigned from a comfortable position to fight that mismanagement in government and then knocked the incumbent from the Governors seat. Her dealings with the Oil Companies brought cash directly to the citizens of Alaska and her state has a government surplus unlike our state which Gagwoire is almost ruining. I am aware of her ethics violations, which pale in comparison to Blago,”
ok… let’s rephrase.. Palin is an opportunist who saw political advantage in ditching her cushy but demanding oil board job and capitalized on it to land the governor’s seat. Great political maneuvering.
Once she landed the governors seat, she capitalized on the publicity she created to negotiate a better deal with the oil companies for her state…
and she negotiated a great deal with the US by keeping the bridge to nowhere money (your taxpayer money) while jumping on the political bandwagon labeling it waste …
“advantages” Gregorie didn’t have in this economic crisis… hardly a fair comparison…
must be nice to have oil revenue and corrupt politicians to exploit… don’t you wish we had that here?
however.. to look at her record as as governor.. you need to look further. she returned money to citizens while denying aid to Alaskan natives who not only have villages that were denied aid for electricity (heat) but who are losing their government enforced reservations (you move here where we put the school or you lose your kids)to massive erosion caused by global warming to which the oil companies contribute… and are being offered no state aid to relocate their villages.
Yeah, she’s a peach… if you buy only her carefully crafted political story…
and that doesn’t even begin to address any of those dicey ethics that you are so quick to dismiss.
As for the Fox news thing.. it’s Christmas and i am not going to go looking for links.. but they had a nasty little lawsuit over wrongful termination of reporters who refused to eliminate truthful information from their story. the subject was environmental and it just so happened that a sponsor was on the other side of that story.
Fox did broadcast a story about the environmental issue that backed the sponsor’s position with other reporters.
buried in the ruling(s) on the matter… which the reporters lost in the last round… was the contention by the FOX atty’s that FOX news has no obligation to print the truth.. and the judge agreed.
and guess who backed FOX? The major broadcasters…
doesn’t that make you feel secure as you watch your nightly news? they are under no obligation to give you anything resembling the unbiased truth. None of them are… although so far most of them don’t exploit that advantage as blatantly as FOX news.
Thank god for those who apologize when they get it wrong.
It becomes increasingly difficult for reporters to do the job we think they are doing when their news organizations no longer invest in long term investigative reporting (no-one covers their costs) and if they do uncover something on their own.. they have no idea if their news organization will print it since it might create economic conflict with advertisers…
Is there something wrong with this picture that has nothing to do with bleeding heart liberals?
Yes, there is. That’s why i support public broadcasting.. even the rogue stuff that has appeared on free speech tv.
unlike those conservative sites you link to.. they have no sponsors or economic agenda to compromise the truth…
and to be honest..no political agenda that they have any real chance of seeing realized. Contrary to popular myth.. the democratic party is not about to go down any progressive socialist path any time soon…
although they may actually be forced to bail out people as well as corporations. we will see…
Merry Christmas HMC Rich…
I speak sincerely when i say that you are one of my favorite Christmas presents this year. I enjoy trading viewpoints with you…
to please Ken, i might even resolve to be better about posting links and backing those viewpoints with verified fact:)
but not right now… the facts are there.. all you have to do is look for them :~>
December 25, 2008 at 6:34 pm #651016
JoBParticipantthe issue was BGH.. bovine Growth hormone..
the company was monsanto
the reporters were Steve Wilson and Jane Aker
Where i got it right is that Jane Aker did file a whistleblower lawsuit against FOX
where i got it wrong.. FOX never did air the altered broadcast… and Monsanto wasn’t necessarily a sponsor..
but they did hit FOX with at least a threatened lawsuit if they broadcast the story which reported a possible cancer link to BGH.
i got the part about what the judge said right though… and it is chilling news for those who count on FCC regulations requiring broadcasters to stick to the truth in news reporting…
follow the links.. first to the actual ruling (a pdf doc).. which makes very interesting reading…
and then to the way FOX reported the story..
Most chilling is that this lawsuit was thrown out of court on the basis that the FCC ruling which requires truth in news broadcasting is not a law and therefore news stations do not have to abide by it…
the facts of the case… FOX did hire Akers and Wilson.. they were doing an investigative report on BGH… they had intended to run a four part program with advertising.. Monsanto intervened… FOX pressured Akers and Wilson to alter their story so that it had no BGH/Cancer link… they fired Akers when she threatened to report them to the FCC… were not contested… even by FOX.
What i find most unsettling is that even when i put “fox news bgh” into the google search engine, i didn’t get any links to any major news source other than FOX.
from the Wikipedia entry for WVTV.. the FOX news station that contracted with Ayers to produce the BGH story…
“Monsanto controversy
In 1997 Fox’s WTVT fired journalists Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson for “refusing to include knowingly false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Corporation’s production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk than what is natural.”[2] They sued Fox under Florida’s whistleblower law. In August 18, 2000, the jury unanimously determined that Fox “‘acted intentionally and deliberately to falsify or distort the plaintiffs’ news reporting on BGH.’ In that decision, the jury also found that Jane’s threat to blow the whistle on Fox’s misconduct to the FCC was the sole reason for the termination.[3].
However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won in 2004, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a “law, rule, or regulation”, and so the whistle blower law did not apply. The Florida appellate court agreed with WTVT’s (Fox) argument “that the FCC’s policy against the intentional falsification of the news — which the FCC has called its “news distortion policy” — does not qualify as the required “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102.[…]Because the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower’s statute.”[4]”
The FCCs news distortion policy is only a policy… completely without the force of law.
I hope someone challenges this…
December 25, 2008 at 7:23 pm #651017
JanSParticipantBack to the news about the mom-in-law to be…and Bristol’s baby. I say don’t marry him…be a strong woman, rely on your family’s help, and save yourself for the real one to come along (yeah, what’s the “real” one in Wasilla – lol)
and the baby’s name? Crystal, of course…and if it’s a boy? Chris might work, although I do like Metthew :)
December 25, 2008 at 8:11 pm #651018
JoBParticipantDecember 26, 2008 at 2:35 am #651019
JeannieParticipantDamn, so much for great baby names. Turns out she was selling OxyContin (Rush Limbaugh’s drug of choice), not meth. According to AP, “The mother of Bristol Palin’s boyfriend sent text messages to two police informants discussing drug transactions before her arrest on felony drug charges, authorities say.
An affidavit filed Monday says Sherry L. Johnston sent text messages referring to ‘coffee’ as a code for the drug OxyContin”
Hey, give the woman a break. We Seattle-ites appreciate our coffee sellers.
December 26, 2008 at 2:37 am #651020
JeannieParticipantAnd, oh, before anyone gets upset: As I said before, I don’t feel contempt for drug addicts. My disdain is reserved for holier-than-thou hypocrites, as well as people who make money selling illegal drugs.
December 26, 2008 at 3:31 am #651021
JoBParticipantor people who make money selling legal drugs illegally…
i would like to know where she got her drugs since it is people like her who sell pain relievers who make it incredibly difficult for people in pain to get the pain relief they need.
December 26, 2008 at 4:55 am #651022
JanSParticipantJoB…I totally agree. I have no sympathy for the woman at all. And, geez, there’s a bigger dealer in Wasilla it seems…hope she cuts a deal and names names. Time to clean up that town, it seems.
Baby names? Hmmm…a girl? Latte? (as in “coffee”?)
December 27, 2008 at 12:28 am #651023
HMC RichParticipantI am surprised nobody said they needed drugs to escape the Palin!!!
If it is a boy, I like the name Buzz or Opie(ate). Just joking.
December 27, 2008 at 1:08 am #651024
JoBParticipantDecember 27, 2008 at 2:40 am #651025
HMC RichParticipantI vote for Constance if it’s a girl, Conrad for a boy ;-)
I’ve been to Wasilla … Bristol should have lots of men to choose from, they out-number women 4 to 1 (although most are Moose Hunters by profession).
HMC Rich’s wife “80’s New Wave Liberal”
(Sorry, he left himself logged in while he took our basset for a walk)
December 27, 2008 at 2:56 am #651026
HMC RichParticipantHMC Rich is back. My wife was wondering who JoB is who said I was one of her favorite Christmas Presents?
JoB, we will have to be more discreet! (LOL)
I can vouch for her that she was in Alaska. She was “going” behind a bush and a couple of hunters thought she might have been a moose and poked their zoom lens at her. I guess the moon was out early that day!!
You should meet her. Her and our neighbor authored a book on FM two years ago.
I will be answering your other post in a day or two. The toddler and basset hound keep things busy. Well … the toddler does. The hound dog mostly sleeps.
December 27, 2008 at 3:02 am #651027
JoBParticipantHMC Rich..
you have been one of my favorite christmas presents because in spite of being one of those misguided conservatives.. you are still know how to make conversation:)
But.. i really do need to get to know your wife… if she jsut co-authored a book on FM.
she and i may have a lot more in common than our liberal attitudes…
December 27, 2008 at 9:13 am #651028
HMC RichParticipantHi JoB, Awesome response… ready for another round?
you said .. ok… let’s rephrase.. Palin is an opportunist who saw political advantage in ditching her cushy but demanding oil board job and capitalized on it to land the governor’s seat. Great political maneuvering.
Was not Blago being an opportunist also? Not great political maneuvering on his part. I do not really expect any connection between Obama and Blago, but the press needs to check like your post said.
Palin from FactCheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
Your right about Gregoire, she didn’t inherit the problem. It manifested itself under her and Frank Chopp’s watch (or maybe i didn’t understand your meaning). Good thing the state mandates a balanced budget.
Bridge to nowhere was a bad deal. I do not support Stevens nor Palin on that. Just like i bet you did not support Jim McDermott’s little cell phone interception concerning Newt Gingrich a few years back.
Alaskan aboriginal people. Maybe you know their incorporation of the tribes. Read Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Native_Claims_Settlement_Act
Some tribal corporations used funds wisely and some did not. Not knowing local Alaska politics I wonder if masses of money was already thrown at some of these groups and she said ENOUGH or if YOU are spot on? I would like to know because I do not.
I do know that some of our local Northwest tribes were treated horribly. Talk about forced assimilation!!! Ouch. To the victor (and sometimes the cheat) go the spoils, which was quite unfortunate. It is too bad that the indigenous peoples were cheated. Although some of the information spread today just isn’t true, but that is for some other discussion. That is not to say that our native americans were not taken advantage of.
Global warming AND the oil companies? I Love that you included those items in one paragraph. Kudos. Shall we buy some carbon credits from Al Gore and protest the coastal plain drilling of Anwar!!!
Global Warming: Stossel – http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3061015&page=1
Cato institute; http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9406
No significant global warming since 1998. Lets be smart and know that climates change and that we should not abuse mother earth too much. Even the guy who ran the Weather Channel says that some of this is a scam!
Exxon should be shot for not double hulling all of their tankers. They spent 2 Billion on cleanup but have basically reneged (with the help of the courts) on their responsibility to the indigenous peoples. This is a travesty.
As far as bias in news and organizations. Yes, absolutely. You sited the Fox AFFILIATE (owned by FOX) example from 11 years ago. Local is different than national. I am sure they have had a few more. I literally gag sometimes when i watch MSNBC or some of the Network news show because of my conservative views. Regardless, if a company lies they should be held accountable but more often than not nothing of substance really happens. We should expect more.
Just like the commercial entities Public TV and Public Radio are just as biased and whores to the corporate and public trough as well as government grants as private companies. Corporate Sponsorships are important to Public TV and Radio. The “little” guy also gives to Public TV during the beg a thons. There is not a huge difference between public and private concerning Television. Private Satellite/Cable companies like CNN or HGTV have basically the same thing. Giant ad buys by corporate advertising agencies and account executives and monthly cable charges in subscription rates from the “little” guy. Those monthly “cable welfare” payments give us a lot of variety to watch. The local affiliates have it tougher because they depend strictly on ad sales. They are all biased in some ways. I must admit, i liked the Public Radio Staff at the station i worked at quite a few years ago. (I’ll never forget the pro life/pro choice arguments between the head engineer and the news director.)
Free Speech TV is cool. I’m not a fan of the content. It is closest to what Public Access would be if it were beamed on a satellite. Still, somehow the Satellite time needs to be paid for.
I like my commercially viable outlets. It helps the economy and keeps people employed.
Still, bash Fox all you want but all the networks are guilty of similar issues. Can you say Dan Rather and 60 Minutes. How about Peter Arnett. Not one network but two! Conservatives are proud of their media. MSNBC is the anti FOX. OH NO.. I see the fairness doctrine lurking out there.
The New York Times is based in New York. I do not expect Middle American viewpoints from it. I have given up expecting unbiased reporting from them. Same for the Seattle PI. It speaks for about 3 to 5 counties in this state. That’s OK. I have other sources I can read. I also learned from Media Matters (Hello Hillary) that nationwide there are more subscribers to conservative columnist newspapers vs liberal (152 million vs 127 million – liberal papers usually in larger metropolitan areas). I am glad for the diversity in choices.
I think we both are appalled at the way the government and corporations are treating us. For fun, I try to dig here and there at lefty issues but I know the right can be just or almost as guilty,
Happy New Year. I think you are a gem. I hope everyone’s life improves in the upcoming year.
December 27, 2008 at 6:44 pm #651029
JoBParticipantHMC Rich…
The debunking site on Sarah was fun.. but not relevant to the points i made…
When it comes to Sarah, it isn’t just that she is about as corrupt a politician as we have seen anywhere…
it’s that she parades her personal life as though it is the model that others should follow…
the fact that her preteen child was strutting in her kitchen wearing stilettos and make-up while Sarah was being interviewed for national programs..
that she promotes the fact that her teenage daughter is marrying the teenage boy who supposedly impregnated her… as though teen marriages were the optimum solution to teen pregnancies…
regardless of what we have since learned about the home the boy comes from… he wasn’t exactly presenting himself as responsible husband/father material to start with…
that she was willing to endanger the life of her high risk unborn child right up till the end of that pregnancy… flying home 8 hours while in labor without even notifying the airline she was flying on… we used to call that kind of behavior trying to lose the baby…
that she was unapologetically ignorant of national and international matters and apparently either too stupid or too lazy to benefit from the extensive coaching she received… parading ignorance as though it was a virtue….
that is without digging at all.. looking at nothing more than what Sarah Palin chose to present to this country…. and it has nothing to do with politics.
Is this the role model you want for your daughters or granddaughters? probably not.
enough said.
and yes, you really should learn more about how the Alaskan natives have been treated… it’s not so dissimilar to the story told here in the lower 48.. turning tribes into corporations doesn’t change their economic status that much… and the tribes along the arctic circle have benefited least from those corporations… not much up there except sustenance living. That’s hunting and fishing for food.. and a very short but generous growing season…
by the way, the hunting and fishing has become as seasonal as the gardening since the ice isn’t what it was and therefor ice fishing and hunting have suffered enormously the last decade or so.
No global warming??? Well.. that’s a hard sell to the people surrounding the polar ice cap.. which is melting.. and is causing the erosion of the sandbar islands our government chose for Alaskan natives.
It was easier for them to locate the schools were barges could supply them… and nobody else wanted them… and the natives were told to live where the schools were or lose their kids.
Who knew the polar cap would disappear along with those frozen sandbars?
If there is no global warming.. just what do you think is happening to the polar caps? Have you seen the impressive pictures of glaciers calving off into the sea on both polar caps? have you visited glacier national park lately? have you noticed how bare our mountains have become in the summer?
Something is definately happening. Where we live, it doesn’t take anything more than the naked eye to verify that the glaciers are receding rapidly.
I have seen weather patterns in the northwest similar to the one we are experiencing right now.. but they were never accompanied by the loss of so much ice.
You can find someone to support any position, but i am afraid the entire world’s scientific community is pretty much in agreement on this one…
that is, unless they are funded by someone who has a vested interest in either denying or downplaying global warming.
LOL… the weather channel guy??? really???
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