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January 31, 2011 at 7:06 am #715456
JiggersMemberIt’s just sad to see their national treasures such as some of King Tut’s history vandalized or destroyed. Rioters also vandalized mummies that were a thousand of years old. That would be called very bad karma.
January 31, 2011 at 8:53 am #715457
cjboffoliParticipantJiggers: Where are you getting your information? Apparently a couple of random vandals did damage two mummies and a few antiquities. But I didn’t see anything about it having to do with Tutankhamun artifacts. As I’ve actually stood inside the tomb of King Tut, in the Valley of the Kings, I can tell you it is a huge distance from northern cities like Cairo and Alexandria where the protests are centered.
It is interesting to read some wire reports that Cairo has been left “in a shambles” and “with the smell of smoke lingering in the air” considering that that sounds like a pretty apt description on its best days. It is definitely one of the most dirty/dusty, wood and charcoal smoky, trash strewn cities I have ever seen.
February 1, 2011 at 5:08 am #715458
datamuseParticipantcjboffoli: I’ve seen numerous reports at this point, including this one. Fortunately the vandalism seems to have been minimal and brief.
February 1, 2011 at 7:29 am #715459
cjboffoliParticipantThanks datamuse. That’s the first report that I’ve seen that actually mentions Tut. A Google search yesterday didn’t seem to turn up even one mention. Though I suppose it shouldn’t surprise me that the media would try to amplify even the most tenuous connection to Tut as the name is widely known in the West and it makes the story much more commercial.
The truth is that all of the very best, most important Tut pieces probably aren’t even in Egypt at all. Though the mummy of Tut actually is… installed in a large, temperature and humidity-controlled case in the depth of his original burial chamber just outside of Luxor.
February 2, 2011 at 4:00 am #715460
inactiveMemberHey ya’ll –
you’ve probably seen this by now, but just in case.
re:cultural sites –
“They [average Egyptians] stood with sticks” along with guards and antiquities inspectors, he said. “They stood in front of outlaws, and they stopped any theft.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/world/middleeast/02antiquities.html?_r=1&hp
February 4, 2011 at 3:35 am #715461
JiggersMemberWell… it is getting worse over there. Reports of heavy gunfire now. if you don’t grab control early, it will spin out of control like it is doing now.
February 4, 2011 at 3:47 am #715462
christopherboffoliParticipantNot to mention CNN’s Anderson Cooper had his clock cleaned by Mubarak supporters. He was probably more upset that they scuffed his Prada shoes.
February 4, 2011 at 3:35 pm #715463
sydneyMemberWell, I recall protesting Bush’s wars in the streets of Seattle. I remember being horrified that nobody seemed to understand what was going on (imperialism) and disgusted at ALL the major news outlets for their incredible lack of critical journalism. Not to mention how the talking heads shouted over one another– a sure sign they were lying.
February 4, 2011 at 3:51 pm #715464
JoBParticipantFebruary 4, 2011 at 5:51 pm #715465
DPMembercharlabob was right on the money when she said, and I quote:
We support the democratic aspirations of everyone in the world, as long as they check with us first about who they like.
The US government SAYS it wants a stable democractic Arab world. I’m not so sure of that, but let’s suppose it’s true. What if US actually got what it SAYS it wants? What would happen if Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Iraq all suddenly turned into stable, middle-class democracies?
If that happened, there’s a good chance these countries would form a power bloc and start pushing (peacefully one would hope) for Israel to give up its nuclear arsenal, leave the Occupied Territories and Jerusalem, and begin making reparations to Palestinian Arabs.
Would the US welcome such a development?
What do you think?
This isn’t just about “democracy.”
It isn’t even just about Egypt.
And it’s certainly not about mummies . . .
February 4, 2011 at 6:45 pm #715466
HMC RichParticipantI have one question. Why is the Obama Presidency pushing Mubarak out but they wanted to keep mum on Iran when the people were protesting? I’m just curious what all of you think.
February 4, 2011 at 7:24 pm #715467
sydneyMemberBecause it’s obvious that’s which way the wind is blowing, and that is the standard response from ANY US president; but you’re trying to compare apples to oranges…since Iran currently is not our ally…and Egypt currently is.
February 4, 2011 at 7:48 pm #715468
DPMemberActually, the current situation in Egypt is enough like the recent one in Iran to at least make some comparisons — though there are important differences as well.
But anyway, Rich, why don’t you tell us what you think the answer to that question is? Speaking as a conservative, that is . . .
(1000 words or less plz)
;-)
February 4, 2011 at 9:05 pm #715469
sydneyMemberWe didn’t install the Iranian theocracy. The 1979 overthrow of the Shah has more similarity to today’s crisis in that regard, at least.
February 5, 2011 at 2:11 am #715470
elikapekaParticipantWhat could we do, Rich? The U.S. government has no diplomatic relationship with the Iranian government, and therefore no influence. We have more ties with Egypt and can ostensibly have dialogue with them and offer to mediate or assist, or even push them in a certain direction. I hope our government can help persuade Mubarak to go. Our only option in Iran would have been force, and despite what people like John Bolton think, we can’t invade every country in the Middle East.
February 5, 2011 at 3:01 am #715471
JoBParticipantthe us is more concerned with control of the egyptian military
than the Egyptian regime
a lesson learned from Iran
February 5, 2011 at 4:41 am #715472
redblackParticipantfrom the peanut gallery here: as an american, i don’t want my government involved in egypt. similarly, i didn’t and don’t want it involved in korea, vietnam, or iraq.
in other words, i’ve met koreans, vietnamese, iraqis, and egyptians. nice folks, all of them, and i have no problem with them. so why should i, the people – err, person – want my government to smash or prop up their governments?
and i think DP is onto something vis a vis the israeli government. they have not declared their weapons of mass destruction to the UN, nor have they signed the NPT. the IDF also abuses protesters and journalists.
will hillary clinton issue a statement soon?
or are we going to invade them, too?
February 5, 2011 at 4:42 am #715473
redblackParticipantsydney: what is that goat doing in that prison bathroom with that roll of toilet paper?
February 5, 2011 at 4:48 am #715474
austinMemberJail toilets can flush full rolls of TP. Full Power. Screws’ll even give you more later.
February 5, 2011 at 5:20 am #715475
redblackParticipantaustin: jail toilets can also be used to make toilet wine.
what’s yer point?
and it still doesn’t explain the goat.
February 7, 2011 at 6:08 pm #715476
sydneyMemberNothing explains the goat! Just kidding. That’s Buddy the TP-eating caprine. He was rescued by WSB two years ago back when my username was still ‘cheyenne’ (had to change due to expired e-mail addy).
Cheyenne
February 7, 2011 at 6:27 pm #715477
DPMemberI wish I had something positive to add about a goat eating toilet paper in prison.
Hell, at this point I’d be happy with any happy memory of prison.
Goat or no goat.
February 7, 2011 at 6:29 pm #715478
DPMemberIt was a dark time in my life, ok? Let’s just leave it at that.
February 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm #715479
DPMemberI’m doing a vigil.
Call it a filibuster.
Until Egypt is free, I’m going to keep updating this thread regularly to make sure it stays up there with Best Poodles in West Seattle and For the love of God, Zippy! Save us!
To keep it interesting, I’m going to talk about stuff. But I’ll do better than that. I’ll even talk about stuff that just maybe is related to Egypt.
Plus, I’ll throw in a picture here and there, as is my wont.
Anyway, here’s what I’m going to talk about today:
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Regarding international relations, the United States has a rather . . . shall we say . . . schizophrenic way of relating to the rest of the world.
And when I say that, I mean no disrespect either to the United States or to schizophrenics.
But let’s just consider a couple of recent case studies from the annals of American history, shall we?
Case Study 1: The Little Country That Tried To Be Our Pal
Did you know that when Ho Chi Minh publicly declared Viet Nam to be an independent country, in 1945, he began with a direct quote from the American Declaration of Independence ?
http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~vern/van_kien/declar.html
Weird times, huh? Of course, any old dictator can try to score brownie points by quoting Thomas Jefferson, but Mr. Minh went much further than that. You see, in his attempts to cuddle, he even sent a special emissary to the US State Department. He sincerely wanted cordial relations between our two countries, with the understanding that the United States would not help the French reoccupy Viet Nam. (The French had been bastards to their Vietnamese colonial subjects for more than a century, and in 1945 Mr. Minh was much more worried about them than he was about Americans.)
In any case, the State Department turned Mr. Minh’s proposal down.
He’s a communist! —the State Department warned President Truman — And once a commie, always a commie! (The French may be bastards, but they’re OUR bastards!)
Well, we all know what happened next, don’t we? Fifty-five years later “communism” is pretty much dead in Viet Nam — along with nearly 60,000 Americans, and somewhere around a million Vietnamese.
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So that’s how America treated one little country that, once upon a time, tried to be our friend.
Next time, in Case Study 2, I’ll be discussing how we’ve treated some other countries that were most definitely not our friends.
Positively schizophrenic, I’m telling you.
But what does it all have to do with Egypt?
I’m not sure just yet, actually.
We’ll see . . .
–David
February 11, 2011 at 10:56 pm #715480
JiggersMemberYou can also use jail toilets as a form of communication by emptying the water out, then talk into it like an aluminum can to the next inmate above or below you. It works as I’ve seen it on the TV series Lockdown. By the way, Mubarak has been ousted. I see the waving of shoes in the air and slamming them into the ground works. I did that when Bush was president but got no attention. They thought I was mental.
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