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May 16, 2008 at 3:08 pm #618697
rs261MemberJust to clear up the whole depression comment (hopefully). Most economists believe we are in a recession. A depression is far away though (generally considered when GNP declines more then 10%)
Recession has a varity of definitions…Bush doesnt use recession because he is using the definition as a 2 quarters of decline in GNP (which so far the US has not had). Most economists will use a more “general” method for determining a recession, looking at Job losses, unemployment, productivity, inflation, wage growth, consumer spending, etc. Which is why McCain (and most economists) will say we are in a recession.
May 16, 2008 at 3:46 pm #618698
Tonya42MemberFirstly a recession and depression are two different things; it is not wise to use the comparison to make your case.
NR – Don’t let people get to you whether it is here or in real life. Those that stoop to insult need to because they lack intelligent means to support their case, in a way take it as a compliment!
JoB – you said “it’s still not considered an un-American activity to have dinner with University Professors.. regardless of their political views”
May I suggest you reread my reply, as you must have me confused with someone else since I never once said that it was un-American to have dinner with a University Professor..
University Professor = Good!
Unrepentant terrorist = Bad!
See the subtle yet oh so visible difference?
You said:
“In fact, some people actually cultivate friends with differing backgrounds and ideas from their own to learn more…”
This is good to hear, when is the last time you have had your mind changed about a political view, say on this site?
You said:
“i know.. odd concept, isn’t it.. to hang out with people who don’t always agree with you.”
Not sure what you mean by this, was this your way of being clever?
I suppose the glaring difference between you and me is that you state it is a “concept” where for me it is a way of living my life. I come from a very large family, 12 siblings (myself included) and not one of us can agree on politics if the conversation last more than 10 minutes.
For a concept to have meaning in your life, you need to apply it.
I will say that I do try to surround myself with people smarter than myself, always have.
You say:
“if you actually have insider knowledge of the process of FBI clearances… and the sort of insinuations you mentioned would be enough to prevent an applicant from service… it was good of you to point out why it is so important for ordinary citizens to have the protection of that little paper we call a constitution.”
I have not been able to translate this so I cannot answer it.
I am glad to hear you are a fan of the Constitution, I would not necessarily have guessed that from your posts.
You say:
“BTW.. i don’t think you want us to dredge up a list of who Senator McCain has broken bread with in the past 20 years… Now that would be some list:)”
Je ne suis absolument! Absolutely I do, I look forward to it :) I very much look forward to seeing who John McCain has had ongoing committed relationships with the past concurrent 20 years. It certainly says a lot about a person’s character doesn’t it?? :)
But please don’t just list out who McCain has had dinner with once, as that means nothing. I had dinner with Christine Gregoire once but I wouldn’t want you to hold that against me :)
May 16, 2008 at 4:04 pm #618699
rs261MemberJust because you are on a board of directors with someone, doesnt mean you share their views or had dinner with them more then once (William Ayers).
I’ve had dinner with my brother and cousins on a long standing basis, and enjoy hearing the conspiracy theories the conversations turn too…but I hardly use them as a basis for my personal beliefs (although it does give me something to laugh about every now and then).
To me it’s different if you call someone a friend who shares the same views, vs someone whom you’ve had conversations with.
Oh, this goes for both McCain and Obama….I dont care who they sit and chat with…Gordon Libby, William Ayers, Mr. Keating, Mr. Rezko, whoever they want is fine by me, I care how they run the country.
May 16, 2008 at 4:18 pm #618700
TrickParticipantThere’s an old saying that goes like this:
“A recession is when your neighbor loses their house, a depression is when you lose yours”
May 16, 2008 at 4:22 pm #618701
charlabobParticipantHey, I had lunch with Chris and Hillary and probably 150 other “chosen women” (who chose to give money). I can only hope there are no pictures. I spent an hour and a half wondering where they all got the ugly pantsuits and this was before SNL noticed. :-)
My problem with McCain’s isn’t who he dines with — it’s who he hangs out with between meals and what he does. OTOH I’d dearly love to have a transcript of Bush’s day with the Saudis today…”Private time,” doncha know.
May 16, 2008 at 4:29 pm #618702
TrickParticipantCharlabob,
So true, Because we all know the Saudi’s are soooo democratic and treat all their citizens as equal.
I hope George keeps on talking while on vacation so he can secure the democratic victory.
May 16, 2008 at 5:07 pm #618703
Tonya42MemberCharlabob – I am interested in learning all I can about both candidates, McCain as well.
rs261- “Just because you are on a board of directors with someone, doesnt mean you share their views or had dinner with them more then once (William Ayers).”
You make a valid point and if this was the only suspect situation then I would gladly chalk it up the way you have however that is CLEARLY not the case.
“There’s an old saying that goes like this:
“A recession is when your neighbor loses their house, a depression is when you lose yours”
How sad but true!
Listen, I am not saying that things are rosey economically speaking, that would be foolish but we are not even remotely close to a depression, by the way BeachGirl I did read your link and it was interesting, but its specualtive with no geoeconomic backing or validation so I can’t say that I buy it.
May 16, 2008 at 5:26 pm #618704
charlabobParticipantOopsie — the Saudis let George ride their horsies in the desert, but they apparently didn’t give him any more oil.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24660754/
T42, one of my most self-destructive habits is my interest in all candidates. I, personally, am looking forward to the Bob Barr-Mike Gravel debate for the Libertarian nomination — that might even keep me awake.
I’m even on all their email lists (so I know when McCain turned Green and when he began selling “ecofriendly swag” on his website and when Clinton started dropping her g’s as Appalachian primaries approached.)
There is such a thing as knowing too much for one’s own good. I crossed that line years ago.
May 16, 2008 at 5:27 pm #618705
rs261MemberSome McCain ties for you…
Gordon Liddy
Donald Diamond (20 year relationship here)
Charles Keating
Viki Iseman
John Hagge
Clarence Tomas (supreme court justice yes…but he used to be partial to the black panthers! OMG!)
Again, I dont really hold any of these against him, just something to consider when listing names of people and relationships…if there was anything “illegal” that happened in any of these, I’m sure it will come up. Just like Obama’s aquantances…
May 16, 2008 at 5:28 pm #618706
KayleighMemberMcCain is married to a drug addict/criminal.
May 16, 2008 at 5:32 pm #618707
charlabobParticipantG-d knows I don’t usually point out typos, because I make too many myself (including in posts pointing out typos). But this is the best non sequiter/typo I’ve ever seen:
Gordon G. Libby
What do you get when you cross G Gordon Liddy and Scooter Libby???? Perfect! rs261–you have made my morning; which could stand some spiffing up.
May 16, 2008 at 5:34 pm #618708
rs261MemberMay 16, 2008 at 5:40 pm #618709
rs261MemberYeah, sorry adout that, I get d’s anb b’s mixeb up a lot….
May 16, 2008 at 6:01 pm #618710
charlabobParticipantDon’t even think of apologizing — it was too perfect and it really did make my morning.
McCain told an alleged joke years ago, for which he later apologized, saying Chelsea Clinton was the love child of Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno. I guess this was meant to say Chelsea was ugly and Hill and Janet were lesbians. It took me a while to figure that out. I tried to come up with an equivalent for G Gordon Liddy and Scooter Libby, but apparently my mind isn’t wired quite in the same way — thank the goddess :-)
May 16, 2008 at 7:24 pm #618711
AnonymousInactiveKaleigh, I remember someone else (you even?) bringing up Cindy McCain’s drug use and there was an immediate cry of foul, that’s off limits. This from the Republican kick the alcoholic bums to the curb crowd. I think it’s relevant when the candidate takes one stand in public (policy for the rest of us) and another in private.
I have empathy for her struggle with addiction, however, her procurement of these drugs would clearly land any one else in jail. Forging prescriptions for controlled substances. Stealing drugs from a charity. As far as I know, this a felony. What gives?
May 16, 2008 at 7:52 pm #618712
KayleighMemberJT, I have mixed feelings about whether or not her drug use is fair game. I seem to remember Bill Clinton being grilled about the “didn’t inhale” stuff, though.
I also think the guilt by association thing is mostly nonsense. I am responsible for only what *I* believe and what *I* do.
But the Repubs here keep smearing Obama’s name with everyone he’s had even a passing association with, yet seem to have no problem with McCain’s associations.
Goose/Gander/awnevermind.
May 16, 2008 at 8:03 pm #618713
AnonymousInactivePersonally, if it was used for any politics points, I would want the idea of re-hab over jail to be promoted. My problem is, I think McCain takes a pretty hard line against drug offenders in society, but not apparently at home. I understand his private stance, I’m for it. I don’t understand the public hypocrisy, and it is that, I find relevant.
May 16, 2008 at 10:04 pm #618714
JenVMemberto clear it up, it was me that cried foul to bringing up CIndy McCain’s addiction- and you know I am not one to suffer repugs gladly. The person called her a “junkie” and I found that unfair- yes, she had an addiction, and she kicked it, and talks about it openly which helps others dealing with addictions.
I agree, though, that there is a huge double standard when it comes to republicans- or anyone in power, really- when it comes to addiction – Rush Limbaugh, anyone?
May 17, 2008 at 12:43 am #618715
AnonymousInactiveOh great JenV, now I have to apologize to the republicans I so wrongly accused. Sorry guys :(
May 17, 2008 at 5:02 am #618716
JanSParticipantor as Rosanne Rosannadana would say..”Never mind”…:)
May 18, 2008 at 1:58 pm #618717
KayleighMemberI’d rather people become aware of McCain’s health care plan, which would be awful for most Americans. This is reason enough to vote for anybody but McCain.
May 18, 2008 at 7:21 pm #618718
AnonymousInactiveI am not adding to the political debate, but wanted to share something funny that I thought everyone could enjoy:
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but don’t know where I am.”
The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.”
She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.”
“I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”
“Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”
The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Democrat.”
“I am,” replied the balloonist. “How did you know?”
“Well,” said the man,”you don’t know where you are or where you are going. You’ve risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it’s my fault.”
May 18, 2008 at 8:43 pm #618719
AnonymousInactiveAnother McCain resignation. What is that now, 5?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/wireStory?id=4881203
May 19, 2008 at 3:58 am #618720
AnonymousInactiveNR, I know your not posting so I thought I’d give you some reading material to occupy your time
1st, from the American Conservative magazine, *The Right Choice. The conservative case for Barack Obama*
http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_03_24/article.html
And then for more fun, *Republicans for Obama* official website.
May 19, 2008 at 8:04 pm #618721
TrickParticipant“Well,” said the man,”you don’t know where you are or where you are going (IRAQ?). You’ve risen to where you are ( 23% approval rating), due to a large quantity of hot air (Misleading info,scandals on IRAQ). You made a promise (Mission accomplished?) that you have no idea how to keep (Exit strategy), and you expect me to solve your problem (Economy, the War,Gas prices..you choose?). You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it’s my fault (No accountability).”
Funny how we can see the same joke but from a different perspective…
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