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April 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm #755311
JoBParticipantApril 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm #755312
JoBParticipantone last thought in this round.
JV .. have you ever listened to the safety instructions on an airplane?
When they talk about flying with children or those who would need help..
they always instruct you to put on your own facemask before helping others.
That’s because if you don’t do so you may lose the ability to do so.
The same advice holds true here.
If women in America don’t fight for the economic and social rights they won in the 60s, they will be in no position to help other women in other countries.
What is happening to women around the world stands out in stark contrast to what is happening in America because of the progress made here.
In the late 60s, even if a man beat his wife badly enough that she had to seek medical care… the doctor who treated her was required to inform her husband and release her to his care.
In America.
If a friend or family member admitted a battered woman in the middle of the night and the husband who battered her discovered her location and arrived at the door with the police..
the police were there to insure that the woman was given into the custody of her abuser…
not to protect the woman.
in America.
There is a reason the places where women hide from abusers are called safe houses…
They were called that long before they were legal refuges for battered women…
when they were the closely held secrets.
The same holds true for custodial rights
and for ownership of private assets in a marriage
which btw.. doesn’t really exist in Washington..
and…
in the early 70s after i came home from having our second child to find stained sheets and wine glasses by the bed and my husband left to live with his current girlfriend and refused to support his family..
i still had to get the written permission of my lawfully wedded husband to gain employment.
Luckily he was more than happy to give that permission so he could keep his wages to fund his good time..
but i know of more than one instance where the husband refused and the wife was refused welfare because she was married.
I lived those days JV
To me these are very real issues
and to hear you trivialize them breaks my heart.
April 18, 2012 at 3:28 pm #755313
kootchmanMemberFunny… none us do “hard research”.. oh, we try, on occassion, but, a citing by in ab editorial in Politico doesn’t elevate the argument to fact. It means you can cite someone who agrees with you. Someone who has an opinion you share. Or , whose cause you espouse. JV’s “opinions” rise the WSB of cited facts. He has opinions based upon observations that have lead him to conclusions. Voila’ he is qualified. As much so as anyone else. I call Obama “the Messiah” because I know it irritates. Thanks for the lesson on editing. He has devotees, adorants, who will not scrutinize his “gospel” of creating a dependency culture. A naked exhibit of some of the most shocking pandering I have ever seen .. and I have seen a lot. He will do it because, he gets cover from his “base”, a lap dog press enamored of him. “We” coined the term RINO… to describe a republican who went on an irresponsible spending spree and blew up the size of government. The left is absent in any critique of The Messiah. When he was first being scrutinized.. “raciist” was one of the first tools pulled out of the quiver… even right here it was tried. Like the War on Woman.. those things lose their cachet…and become emblematic… conservatives don’t cringe anymore….. we expect it. We can deal with it. I see the most liberal circuit court in the country upheld the Arizona voter ID law.. a law upheld by the retired Justice Beyer… in Indiana voter ID was held to be legal before by the Supreme Court. DOJ targeted swing, Republican states, with large hispanic and black votes who vote along racial identity lines. ( 95% and 70 per cent respectively vote Democrat) . It was called for what it was… a political vendetta against a Republican governor by the Department of Justice… and Eric Holder. Using the DOJ as a political tool diminishes the rule of law…and the credibility of the DOJ… The court held there is no evidence whatsoever that the law uniformly applied disenfranchises voters..and no group with any standing exists that can claim harm. For a constitutional scholar.. this president is doing his weasely best to circumvent the US Constitution. I wasn’t around for FDR.. but in my adult memory, there have been more challenges to the overreach by the states against the federal government in my memory. The court is being swamped… over 32 states are in circuit, appelate, or in front of the supreme court, to fight this administrations shocking disregard for executive limit or enumerated powers. When your president has 2/3 of the states suing in court … something isn’t right. Finally, after three years of being told by academics.. he has conceded… the “Buffett Rule” would do nothing to reduce the debt or the deficit… it was an appealing show. At most it would raise 8 billion, consenus is, more like 4 billion or about 10 days of Obama spending. Compare that to his “green energy” grant slush fund to the DOE … of 140 billion.. and we all see how that is working. His utterances and policies are not divinely inspired. He is not a man of higher purpose… he’s a political hack. Normally we cite stats from Depts of Labor, Justice, Energy, Commerce, Education… but who can trust them anymore? hey have all descended to best possible spin groups to get the president re-elected. War on Woman indeed…
April 18, 2012 at 6:54 pm #755314
JVMemberJan, part of your post was on topic, which is progress.
I haven’t read Half the Sky, but it looked interesting. A must read for those who are interested in the real war on women. The documentary is coming out on PBS in October, so I’m interested in seeing it. (Thanks for the tip.)
I watched the trailer for it and I was expecting to see something on the abortions of millions of girls in China. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt that the documentary will spend more than a few minutes on that topic. It’s sad because sheer numbers-wise, that should be one of the largest areas of concern in the war on women.
Standing up to abortionists and Communists is a little harder to do.
April 19, 2012 at 4:08 am #755315
JanSParticipantthis is without a doubt one of the best things ever said about women’s rights…Jimmy Carter may not have been the best president, but, boy, what a man…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/12/jimmy-carter-womens-rights-equality
April 19, 2012 at 4:24 am #755316
JoBParticipantkootch.. toomanywordsallruntogether dude.
April 19, 2012 at 4:25 am #755317
JoBParticipantApril 19, 2012 at 4:46 am #755318
dobroParticipant“The left is absent in any critique of The Messiah…”
Didn’t you just say in another thread (over on the Landslide thread post#86) that you saw Obama being shouted down by the left over the Keystone pipeline? I know it gets hard to keep the old talking points straight when you just pull them out of your *** but, c’mon, man, try to focus. If you keep doing that, why, people will think your views are just a big joke with no credibility. What a tragedy that would be, eh?
April 19, 2012 at 4:52 pm #755319
JanSParticipantSo…the biggest complaint so far on here has been with the title…that “War on Women” is blatantly false, so should not be used. Now I bring you this – and please remember that it’s NSFW, for sure.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/351127/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-battle-for-the-war-on-women
April 19, 2012 at 4:56 pm #755320
JanSParticipantBetter yet, read the article that goes along with that video…and notice, that Bill Donohue has not one thing to actually say about the legislation aimed at women in this country..
April 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm #755321
TanDLParticipantDon’t know if this thread is the best for the link below, but perhaps it fits in with the postings. U.S. nuns are suddenly being chastised for spending too much time on poverty and social justice and not enough time condeming homosexuality and abortion. Really? The holiest women of the church need to spend more time on condemnation and church doctrine and less time on love and caring? Is this not the religion that follows the teachings of Christ? Has there been a similar condemnation of the male bishops for covering up years of child abuse? I’m not Catholic, so I don’t know. Can someone with a Catholic leaning enlighten me on what’s going on here?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/20/us-usa-religion-catholic-women-idUSBRE83J00120120420
April 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm #755322
JoBParticipantTanDL
all you can do is shake your head and wonder just what they are thinking.
when i was in New Orleans recently.. we did a lot of walking in the French quarter and in the district they call Treme. For those who haven’t watched the new show.. and i am one of them.. the Treme was the negro quarter of town.
The nuns established a school for negro children nearly a hundred years ago.. and a church. The church got the service of priests in the late 60s… 1960s.
this isn’t a new struggle within the Catholic Church..
but it does reverse what i saw as a very healthy trend.
April 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm #755323
kootchmanMemberNuns are not holy, Nor are the prisests.. to be declared most holy… is a Vatican perogative. Glad ya liked the “new” New Orleans… I’ll pass that along to the critter who has worked every Spring break, for the last four years..scarping paint, picking up refuse, painting damaged schools, and this year taping drywall…. under the sponsorship of a Catholic charity. Tulane JoB? Those Catholic schools are still hard at work… JoB.. the ones who you refuse to give parents vouchers to… because it offends you that charitable works may have a core of interest in students.. not tenure, not less class hours, not full employment… they bring a service not an entitlement disposition.
April 20, 2012 at 5:55 pm #755324
kootchmanMemberI believe we just fixed that Keystone thing…. transportation bill in exchange for Keystone. Good old compromise….bending the POTUS … when the polls slip.. he will U turn. Yes, TanDl… the bishops conference has made condemnation, apology, recompense AND a papal order that all priest even suspected of child abuse are immediately reilieved of clerical duties and the civil authorities notified;… stronger safeguards than public school teachers..
April 20, 2012 at 8:43 pm #755325
TanDLParticipantWell, I don’t know Catholic-speak. Maybe spiritual is a better word for nuns. Good to know that priests were condemed for child abuse as well as covering it up, at least. But, I still don’t get why nuns have been chastised for spending too much time ministering to those in poverty and working for social justice. I’ve heard that the population of nuns has been dropping over the years. Seems like this kind of negative condemnation could only accelerate that trend, but not being a Catholic, I don’t really get how those Vatican guys think.
April 21, 2012 at 2:39 am #755326
JoBParticipantkootch..
i liked New Orleans very much.
I even visited Tulane University and sat on the lawn talking with some of the students
and i am really glad that your daughter volunteers for community projects with Catholic Services
what i fail to see is what that has to do with the fact that an order of nuns built a church over a hundred years ago
and it took nearly a hundred years to find an order of priests willing to hold services there?
April 21, 2012 at 2:42 am #755327
JoBParticipantkootch…
it’s good to know that you are so proud of your guys for holding the transportation bill hostage to payoffs to big oil…
sorta gives a girl the warm fuzzies…
and sets priorities straight doesn’t it.
can’t wait to read the news
and find out just how accurate your assessment was…
April 27, 2012 at 1:51 am #755328
jamminjMemberVAWA passes senate.
bill passed 68-31 – with every nay vote coming from a Republican man. The five female GOP senators voted for the re-authorization.
along with republicans fight against access to contraception
Rush Limbaugh’s misogynistic rants against Sandra Fluke
Republican amendment to allow employers to deny women contraception for any moral reason
Herman Cain’s suggestion that women have an inferior understanding of policy
Republican governors’ support for mandating medically unnecessary ultrasounds for women seeking abortions
Mitt Romney’s silence on the Lilly Ledbetter Act
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s repeal of that state’s equal pay laws
and arguing the women’s ability to ably serve in the military
among others…
yeah, nothing against women here.
April 27, 2012 at 5:11 am #755329
JoBParticipanti applaud the 5 female GOP Senators
April 27, 2012 at 7:38 pm #755330
kootchmanMemberYour decisions to engage in sex… is laudable.. and appreciated. However, your decisions that taxpayers should fund it…and certainly those who hold a moral construct against it should not be forced to pay is not. I think that since most of the funds for wildlife and fish preservation come from licenses issue to hunters and sport fisherman, are a good thing… every PETA member should be forced to buy hunting permits for anyone who can’t afford it.
April 27, 2012 at 10:10 pm #755331
jamminjMember“those who hold a moral construct against it should not be forced to pay is not”
so where do I get a refund for what I deem is immoral that our taxpayers are paying for?
April 27, 2012 at 10:40 pm #755332
TanDLParticipantRight on, jamminj. I’d like a BIG tax refund for what I thought was an immoral War in Iraq, please. And a refund on the private companies who operated basic services during that war as well as those operating during the current war. Let’s see… how about a refund on defense contracts for those military hardware items that don’t work well. And, oh yes a refund on the salaries of Congressional delegates who don’t represent my interests. Money back for supporting immoral international despots? That should be a nice refund. What else? I’m sure everyone out there can come up with a list that’s much more extensive than a little birth control. Welcome to America, priests and bishops. Why should your church get tax breaks based on what you think is immoral, when the rest of us don’t get breaks based on what we think is immoral?
April 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm #755333
redblackParticipanti want a refund from cutting the top marginal tax rates in half – 30 years ago – with interest, please.
kthxbye.
April 29, 2012 at 4:22 pm #755334
JoBParticipantkootchman…
“Your decisions to engage in sex… is laudable.. and appreciated. However, your decisions that taxpayers should fund it…and certainly those who hold a moral construct against it should not be forced to pay is not.”
so.. as a taxpayer, you object to paying the pittance for birth control ..
which is in itself a myth.
For the most part we pay for our own birth control through our medical insurance premiums.
and if pregnancy is an issue
those who take birth control aren’t the only ones enjoying that sex…
but let’s just say your misrepresentation was fact…
you would rather not pay the pittance for birth control
but paying the cost of the children who are born into poverty is a better deal?
because even if you kick all those mothers off welfare and cut food stamps and cut scholarship programs and …
you are still paying for a penal colony that would have made England proud….
yup.. that’s sound fiscal management at it’s Republican best ;-<
April 29, 2012 at 7:09 pm #755335
waynsterParticipantwhy women’s rights are even an election issue is beyond me…for one thing women vote more often then men it is amazing how a bill passed in the senate would be held up in the house by yes men over women’s health on the health care bill…some day there will be a woman president once this happens the good old boys will go down….you see religion puts women behind men so men put women behind them and everyone knows behind every good man theirs a better women……can we say Hilary 2016……!
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