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September 8, 2010 at 8:20 pm #596289
sampson1029MemberIs there anything we here in Seattle can do to show the world that we do not support the burning of the Koran. I hate to think that such a small group of people can bring even more violence to our troops who are already in harms way everyday. Does anyone know how to get the word out that these people are “radicals” They do not have the support of more than probably 99.9% of the U.S. population
September 8, 2010 at 8:26 pm #702939
CarsonParticipantThe answer is actually quite simple. Pull the troops out, lessen our need (oil) to be in their countries in the first place.
September 8, 2010 at 8:33 pm #702940
sampson1029MemberThat is not a simple answer. People will always have disagreements. We as a whole world depend on oil right now. I am just trying to show the world that this is a crazy uneducated man, whose actions are not condoned by most of the United States.
September 8, 2010 at 8:41 pm #702941
JoBParticipanti am sorry i don’t know how to shorten links…
but people who matter are speaking out …
i checked. the link runs off the page but it works.
September 8, 2010 at 8:44 pm #702942
JanSParticipantThe Rev. Terry Jones is probably the only person supporting him self in this folly right now. This is a man of “Christian values”. BS! He was kicked out of a church in Germany (that he supposedly helped found) in 2008 for dipping into the till for his personal expenses one too many times. He is estranged from his daughter. He is doing this for effect. He is misguided to put it mildly…but he , in my book, has no redeeming “Christian values”. He’s a hypocrite of the worst kind.
We can protest all we want, but he does have 1st Amendment rights.Funny how that works, even for the likes of him.
September 8, 2010 at 9:01 pm #702943
SueParticipantsampson, there is an interfaith reading of the Qu’ran scheduled on 9/11 at a Unitarian Universalist church in Kirkland that I just heard about “to remember the victims of 9/11 and to bring awareness and respect for all religious beliefs.” http://www.northlakeuu.org/news/9-11-2010.html
JoB, to shorten links, you can go to either tinyurl.com or bit.ly and enter the long URL and you can get a replacement very short one to share that will link to the original one.
September 8, 2010 at 9:10 pm #702944
sampson1029MemberI travel the world a lot. It is such a bummer that ALL travelers will be more unsafe because of this man’s actions. Thank god I am a duel citizen. The minute I get outside this country next time I will have to travel on my other passport.
September 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm #702945
JoBParticipantSue.. that sounds so simple..
one of these days you are going to have to come over to show me how to do it :)
September 8, 2010 at 9:16 pm #702946
CarsonParticipantIts a very simple answer actually. We don’t belong there, they didn’t attack us because of our Freedom, they attacked us because we stick our noses in their affairs. I say burn a stack of bibles and korans, just stay away from my Bible, The Baseball Abstract!
September 8, 2010 at 9:44 pm #702947
MousePotatoMemberWhat does our being there have to do with some southern bible banging extremist nut job burning the Koran? This idiot is going to put every American in harms way.
I just hope that they get him first. He is already receiving death threats and wearing a bullet proof vest.
Islam is not evil and the Koran does not support terrorism any more than the bible does. This is nothing more than egocentric ignorance that lets a man believe he can throw a match in a powder keg without anyone getting hurt….
September 8, 2010 at 9:52 pm #702948
JiggersMemberWasn’t the Koran wrtten way after the Bible?
September 8, 2010 at 9:56 pm #702949
sampson1029MemberThank you Mouse, I don’t think Carson gets it.Sounds like the same kind of radical this crazy pastor is. I know we have issues with our government going into places we probably should not be, but come on. This man is going to put millions of people at risk, and make muslim christian relations in this country in more jeopardy than they already are. Hopefully there will be no news coverage of it, and no one will even see it happen. DOUBT THAT! but what else can be done? Too many crazy disillusioned people in this world. I am VERY proud to be an American. But this makes me want to hide that. I hope the world knows that this is a crazy man doing a crazy act.
September 8, 2010 at 10:00 pm #702950
CarsonParticipantOh I get it. Bottom line is this is a free country, but we did start it…..
September 8, 2010 at 10:06 pm #702951
charlabobParticipantHow about a Q’uran/Bible/Torah (who did I leave out) reading at the Statue of Liberty plaza on Alki Saturday? We organized peace vigils in less time than this early in the Iraq war. We need to take back religion, the flag, the country, the world, from the crazy fanatics — of whom Carson is obviously NOT one :-)
As of this morning, no one in the Rep leadership stream has made a statement criticizing this “action.” That says a lot.
September 8, 2010 at 10:10 pm #702952
CarsonParticipantIt is a crazy thing to do, and probably a death sentence, but its his right to do it. If I was a betting man, I would lay $5 that someone “talks” to him and he calls the whole thing off.
September 8, 2010 at 10:16 pm #702953
sampson1029MemberI would love to do that Charlabob. I am of no religion. But that sounds like a great idea.
And Carson, I dont think you get it, but you are totally entitled to your opinion. I am not here to attack you. The last thing I want to do is piss you off. I just want our troops (most of whom are 18-21 yrs. old) not to have an even harder time getting muslims in other countries to help them restore their countries now that they have been destroyed.
September 8, 2010 at 10:50 pm #702954
sampson1029MemberI hope you are right Carson!
September 8, 2010 at 11:37 pm #702955
charlabobParticipantSampson, let’s talk tonight. You can contact me at charla at charla dot com. (Anyone else who’s interested in organizing/participating in a reading Saturday let me know.
It’s sabbath for Muslims and Jews so I’m not sure what kind of official particiation we can get. Anyone have connections with local mosques?
c
September 9, 2010 at 12:02 am #702956
DPMembercharlabob: Good luck on ‘taking back’ religion. I mean, it’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. In fact, I don’t think it CAN happen.
Unfortunately, there will always be a number of bullies and other mean-spirited running around out there, and I’m afraid they will never have a hard time finding religious justifications for their cruelty, regardless of the particular religious text they rely on for “guidance.”
Zionist Jews (and there are many) claim that the Torah gives them a right to occupy Palestine and to treat everyone there who’s not Jewish as a second-class citizen.
Radical Muslims (and there are many) feel the Koran justifies the taking of life in the name of the faith, and they can cite you the passages to prove it.
Extremist Christians (including some in very high places) feel that America is on a “civilizing mission” in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere. And if they should happen to bring about the Apocalypse in course of civilizing people? Why, that’s all right. They’re just fulfilling Biblical prophecy!
Show me a religion with a fool-proof mechanism to keep out the haters and the crazies, and I’ll show you a religion that never made it onto the world stage.
Now, having said that, I am well aware that there are many good and loving people who use religion to justify what THEY do as well. In fact, I believe that good religionists far outnumber bad religionists. However, I think I’m in the Carson camp on this one: We need to move beyond religion all together if we’re going to survive as a species, because religion has proven itself singularly inept at helping us unite in the face of common threats.
Think about it. If we were living in a secular society right now, instead of the religious-influenced one we are living in, it wouldn’t even occur to these nut jobs in Florida to burn a Koran. Because it wouldn’t mean anything.
—David
P.S. JanS I salute you for being principled in your arguments. Just like the NY mosque/prayer room, and the opposition to it, this activity is protected by the First Amendment.
September 9, 2010 at 12:21 am #702957
sampson1029MemberGuess you are right. No use trying to change anything. I dont believe in God, or anyone else. I just have lots of friends in Afghanistan. I wish them the best. This is why I try to never get into political or religious discussions. I just thought this might be one that could make a difference. How wrong. Well back to doing nothing and watching this world go down the tubes
September 9, 2010 at 12:27 am #702958
JoBParticipanti would never deny Terry Jones his right to burn the Koran…
but i suspect he would be livid if someone suggested burning the bible
Even so..
I support his right to do express himself however he sees fit…
but i really have to question the media for making such a big deal out of this …
and commend those who choose to speak out against it.
I don’t generally choose to participate in public demonstrations.. but i would show up for this if someone puts an event together.
September 9, 2010 at 3:53 am #702959
charlabobParticipantThanks, DP — and, just out of curiosity, how much do the R’s pay you to sow hopelessness? I hope you at least get 30 pieces of Beck’s gold.
Sampson, when you’re ready to get back on that horse, let me know. I’ll sleep when I’m dead; until then I hope I’ll never be that easily jaded.
Thanks, Jo — things will be happening, but they won’t be announced here. I now return the forums their original focus of nihilistic whining accompanied by shopping tips.
L’Shana Tova
September 9, 2010 at 4:18 am #702960
DOCMemberWhat if we just had a “confort the qu’ran” day on 9/11? As a type of counter protest we could take pictures of the qu’ran in cozy places. Bundle it up in a blanket, give it a centerpiece on your bookshelf, put in on the couch with a nice cup of tea, etc. Then just take a picture and put it up as your profile pic on facebook or something for a day. That could show your support for the book/religion while counter protesting that freak in Florida.
September 9, 2010 at 5:00 am #702961
JoBParticipantcharlabob..
why not let everyone know here?
i suspect there are many who read without commenting who would welcome the opportunity to show up.
the 34th district endorsed Fitzgibbon by a huge margin. There is hope yet ;->
September 9, 2010 at 5:35 am #702962
redblackParticipantactally, samspon, it is pretty simple.
if you know anyone in florida, send him/her to the site in BFE florida where this idiot is holding his “sermon” and tell him/her to bring an extra-large squirt pistol.
have him/her douse the threatened qu’ran with water and watch hilarity ensue. careful, though! no one likes an undue assault charge.
seriously, though, i can’t believe this is an issue in 21st century america, and i can’t believe that a parish of 80 mean-spirited half-wits in a swamp can garner worldwide attention.
“hyuk, hyuk! anyone want to come to my bible-burning on 12/25?”
morons.
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