infrastructure

[hooper1961]

the infrastructure in the us is falling apart. the roman’s had great infrastructure that they neglected and we know what happened to them.

why are we spending billions on unemployment checks when that money could be used fixing infrastructure; aka creating jobs.

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[redblack]

oh, boy! another thread started to irk liberals!

okay. i’ll have a go.

the infrastructure wouldn’t be falling apart if the electorate would stop defeating local tax measures. then the government could fund infrastructure projects and employ construction firms. then construction workers would have money to buy goods and services. then the service industry could employ people. then unemployment would be lower, reducing UI shortfalls.

next question.

you keep posting libertarian complaints, hooper, and i’ll keep shooting them down. since the anti-taxation small government water boys tanked the economy, i have plenty of time for the forums.

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[cjboffoli]

redblack: Don’t forget to stop for a second and admire Hooper’s syllogisms.

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[redblack]

…then rich people wouldn’t have to get their hands dirty digging their own damned private sewer lines, because government is too hamstrung to improve the public infrastructure.

syllogisms, cjb? you give those screeds too much credit. they’re more like platitudes.

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[Ken]

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

— John Rogers

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[chrisma]

Quick Pickled Beets

Recipe courtesy Alton Brown

Prep Time: 30 min

Cook Time: 1 hr 15 min

Level: Easy

Serves:2 (1-quart) jars

Ingredients

• Roasted Beets, recipe follows

• 1 large red onion, frenched

• 1 cup tarragon wine vinegar

• 1 1/2 teaspoons Kosher salt

• 1/2 cup sugar

• 1 cup water

Directions:

Remove the skin from the Roasted Beets and slice thinly. Arrange in 1-quart jars alternating layers with the onion. In a small pot boil the rest of the ingredients and pour over the beets. Tightly lid the jars and place in the refrigerator for 3 to 7 days before serving.

Roasted Beets:

• 6 medium beets, cleaned with 1-inch stem remaining

• 2 large shallots, peeled

• 2 sprigs rosemary

• 2 teaspoons olive oil

Preheat oven to 400 degrees F.

In a large bowl toss all of the ingredients. Place into a foil pouch and roast in the oven for 40 minutes.

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[JanS]

sounds delish, Chrisma….

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[chrisma]

Delicious and easy to make, Jan. Put ’em on a sandwich, or in a green salad, or just eat ’em right off the fork. Yum!

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[miws]

Those pickled beets do sound delicious!

I wonder if Tim Eyman likes pickled beets?

Mike

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[JoB]

hooper1961..

like it’s an either or choice…

soemone has to suffer..

it’s them or us…

i vote for the oil companies…

they are already soaking us and raking in record profits

and our gas prices are going up again.. but this time they are predicted to top out at $5.

all we have to do to fund infrastructure is end gas company subsidies:)

chrisma…

i love a great beet recipe…

might try this one today :)))

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[miws]

I dunno, JoB.

Remember, corporations are human, so we don’t want to do anything to hurt their feelings, or otherwise offend them.

So, although I agree with you in theory, we need to be the bigger person, and mustn’t treat the big corps in a cruel and inhumane manner.

Mike

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[hooper1961]

government needs to spend its limited resources on investment items not consumption.

the voters are frustrated with government because it has lost its way and moved away from investment towards consumption that is the wrong way.

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[JanS]

in my book, a lot of the voters want things to continue, to be fixed, but they sure as hell don’t want to pay for it. It ain’t free…something’s gotta give, and that something should be coming from the companies that are raking it in…and they are, make no mistake about that. But let’s just dump on the poorest of the poor in your book. Did you know that there’s a tea sale going on in the junction?

Now…back to them beets…can you use golden beets for that recipe?

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[maplesyrup]

What happened to this? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121301819.html?sid=ST2008121301896&s_pos=

And this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/us/politics/07obama.html

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[Al]

Government needs to fund “investment items.” Ok, so the Stimulus didn’t fund “investment items” like infrastructure and medical/scientific research? I hear that many government officials on the right are against even funding basic medical research, like the NIH for gosh sakes, so that doesn’t count.

What else…let’s see…high speed rail, or rail lines in general. Apparently that’s not counting either since rail is not good enough to be “real investments” even though it’s infrastructure.

Wait, do you mean more roads? Or fix those bridges that are falling down? I’ll support bridge fixing but some of that was included in the stimulus plan which has been much maligned.

And libraries are not investments either. Basically many “investments” that help masses of the general public have been shot down for the most part. Health care is also an investment that has been watered down.

Give some examples of “investment items” please.

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[chrisma]

Golden Beets will work just fine. Carrots too for that matter, just be sure to scrub them first, since their skin won’t peel off easily like the beets.

Actually, Golden Beets with rounds of Carrot would have a nice autumn color scheme, I bet. I’ll have to try that variation.

Thanks, Jan!

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[hooper1961]

al you have identified good investment items; but health care is a consumption not an investment.

maybe a focused effort to send a human to mars is in order, the spin off benefits from the moon landing program was enormous

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[dobro]

I know who I’d recommend to be the first one to be in the Mars rocket.

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[hooper1961]

very funny dobro

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[JanS]

now why in he!! would we spend all that money to get to mars, when we can’t take care of ourselves here. Do you ever listen to yourself? Yes, it’s out there…but there are far more important things to spend money on than a man going to mars…but you just go right on thinking that…and you complain about other things? wow….

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[hooper1961]

JanS – it’s called investment research that would create significant enhancement to technology, the moon landing program resulted in a significant advancement. i would rather see the government investing in research and infrastructure versus consumption items.

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[JoB]

hooper1961..

healthcare keeps the human resource that has driven technology improvement in the United States viable.

it’s infrastructure maintenance … for humans

Wow:))))

healthcare is an infrastructure investment.

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[Erik]

eating beets pleases me,

maybe a white blanket arrives,

yay for purple snow!

And yes, health is the most important infrastructure investment.

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[Ken]

http://www.alternet.org/media/149197/are_right-wing_libertarian_internet_trolls_getting_paid_to_dumb_down_online_conversations/?page=2

Job ad for some.

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[chrisma]

These should help sweeten anyone’s disposition.

Basic Wheat-Free/Dairy-Free Cookie Recipe

adapted from Cynthia Lair’s recipe in Feeding the Whole Family

– 1 cup Barley Flour (or preferred Gluten-Free flour -Brown or White rice flours work well)

– 1 1/2 cups Rolled Oats (or use Gluten-Free oats – Bob’s Red Mill)

– salt (1/4 to 1/2 tsp; I don’t measure)

– 1/3 cup Earth Balance margarine

– 1 tsp vanilla

– *1/3 cup Agave Nectar + 2 Tbls water OR 1/2 cup Maple Syrup/Honey/Fruit Sweetener

*(each of these will impart a different texture and flavor. The Agave-water combo is a good cookie texture, although honey makes for a pleasantly chewy cookie. Bear in mind that fruit sweetners made with tropical fruits are going to impart a slight tropical flavor to your cookies; maple syrup will impart a maple flavor).

Goodies to Add:

– *1/4 to 1/3 cup of each of chocolate chips, sunspire sundrops, shredded coconut, nuts, dried fruit (dates, cranberries, raisins, cherries)

*(i wouldn’t add more than 2 of any of these together or they may not stay in the dough)

Instructions

– Mix the flour, oats and salt in a bowl.

– Melt the margarine over low heat until liquid then stir in sweetener and vanilla and mix thoroughly.

– Add liquids to dry ingredients and mix until combined.

– *Add and goodies and mix.

*Once you add the chips, nuts, etc is when it gets a little troublesome. This dough isn’t very dough-y (although the Agave & water version is better) and tends to not like to hold the chunks of chocolate chips (try the Enjoy Life brand dairy-nut-soy free tiny chocolate chips from PCC – cheap and good) or whatever. Usually I just mix it reasonably uniform and then using a spoon and my hands form each cookie into a round, trying to incorporate the ingredients that don’t want to stay. It’s not hard, but it is a little more work than spooning them right out. The don’t tend to flatten much in the baking either which is something to keep in mind. You can crowd them on the baking sheet and they’ll be ok. Make them thinner for crisper cookies and thicker for chewier.

– Bake 350 for 12-15 minutes. I always check the bottoms because they’ll burn there before they brown on top usually. If you have an Air Bake cookie sheet use it. They work better and will let you get the cookies a little browner on top without the risk to the bottom. Cool about 10 minutes or more and enjoy.

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