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January 5, 2013 at 3:15 am #781502
DBPMember>>Yeah, we may be alive, but the responsibility of a job is not suitable for everyone past 65. It’s the minority that should work, but only if they WANT to.
Plus remember: In an economy with chronic unemployment, like ours, for every >65 worker who stays on the job a <65 worker will remain unemployed. Is that what we want? Younger, abler workers being forced to sit idle while the old timers keep chugging away, earning their SS?
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January 5, 2013 at 3:54 am #781503
JoBParticipanthoop..
i know a lot of people in their 60s and 70s ..
and i know them well since i have had a lifetime to get to know them
sure i know a person or two of that age who is still hiking and biking and active
i knew another one but he dropped dead of a heart attack on a mountain.. my idea of the way to go … but he hadn’t retired and hadn’t collected a single penny of his social security yet :(
his wife pre-deceased him by a little over a year so they didn’t collect hers either :(
but most of the people i know of that age are enduring their first or second joint replacement and popping pills to stave off the ravages of chronic illness.
you live a rich and full fantasy life hoop
but my generation worked hard and played hard and our bodies didn’t hold up nearly as well as we expected.
that’s the reality.
January 5, 2013 at 6:50 am #781504
hooper1961Membermy mom worked till she was 67 at a job she stood up all day. my aunt is nearing 70 and still works 6 days a week.
most people are living longer and healthier than in the past. heck i see 80 year old’s at the gym that look like they are 60. maybe it has to do with the fact they work out to stay fit!
i am far from rich JoB; the people i know all work hard, delayed having kids and lived in older homes until recently where several have been able to move up (it’s called delayed gratification) into nicer middle class homes. in other words made responsible choices with the key one delaying having children until they had gotten themselves financially stabilized.
it is my generation that will begin to retire when SS trust fund is depleted and incoming money is expected to be enough to pay 81% of the promised benefits. raising the retirement age and tweaking the COLA would help ensure that SS can pay the promised benefits to all the people who contributed. it is by far the best most equitable option available.
January 5, 2013 at 4:25 pm #781505
WorldCitizenParticipantRaising the retirement age will disproportionally hurt the old.
January 5, 2013 at 4:40 pm #781506
miwsParticipantWell, golly, hoop! That’s nice your mom was able to work until age 67! Mine died at age 38, of Melanoma. Go ahead, tell us how that was her fault for not being prepared.
Raising the retirement age will disproportionally hurt the old.
World Citizen, you probably know this already, but your comment is pointless in The World of hoop.
Everyone in his family and circle of friends are strong and able-bodied, and will continue to be well into old-age.
Hell, I’d be willing to bet he has a friend that’s 110 years old, and still going out everyday building bridges, and digging ditches!
Mike
January 5, 2013 at 5:05 pm #781507
hooper1961Membermy dad died at 59 miws.
miws you liberals forget when SS was started most people died before receiving a dime; now most people are living far longer and healthier than in the past and yet the angst against adjusting the retirement age upward to reflect the fact people are living longer.
and btw no one is stopping you from retiring younger if you want to; presuming you saved accordingly. on the other hand an acquaintance of mine father continued to work at boeing into his 80’s.
a friend of mine dad installed deadbolts at my house when he was 85. it was amazing!
January 5, 2013 at 5:53 pm #781508
JoBParticipanthoop
you are delusional if you think that the liberals who post on this blog lived any differently than the hard working people you describe.
you know, it didn’t hit me until this morning..
but you actually think it’s a good thing for the people who have already put in a lifetime of hard work to suffer now so that you won’t have to worry about your social security payments later …
gimme gimme gimme is not the example those hard working people set for you hoop
January 5, 2013 at 6:49 pm #781509
miwsParticipanta friend of mine dad installed deadbolts at my house when he was 85. it was amazing!
OMG!!!!!111
You are enamored by deadbolts too?!?
We do agree on something!!
However, I feel…..dare I say….they are actually amazeballs!
I especially like double cylinder deadbolts. You have that added layer of security, especially if there is a window in/near the door.
Of course, you always want to know where your key is when you’re home and have it locked, should you need to quickly escape in the event of an emergency!
Mike
January 5, 2013 at 7:22 pm #781510
hooper1961MemberJoB – explain to me how modestly raising the retirement age for future retirees (including me) affects people currently on SS that worked their lifetime?
January 5, 2013 at 7:52 pm #781511
redblackParticipanti’ve never seen a bricklayer work past the age of 65.
ever.
it’s one thing to work in an office and never pick up anything over 20 pounds.
it’s quite another to lift hundreds of 35-pound concrete blocks over shoulder-height rebar day after year after decade.
that kind of career makes you so tired and is so destructive to your body that working out at the gym seems like a day spa in comparison.
i never hear you address that one, hooper.
January 5, 2013 at 8:01 pm #781512
hooper1961Membermany long term construction workers become foreman and instruct younger workers how to lay the bricks. or they could find a less taxing occupation as a second career.
the most knowledgeable and helpful employees at home depot, lowes et al are people that actually worked in construction as electricians, plumbers et al!
January 6, 2013 at 2:12 am #781513
JoBParticipanthoop
“JoB – explain to me how modestly raising the retirement age for future retirees (including me) affects people currently on SS that worked their lifetime?”
question asked and answered many many times over hoop.
it’s too bad you don’t get it
but there you go.
there seems to be a lot you don’t get.
and i would add..
a certain kind of work that you didn’t do
even to work your way through college
hubby spent a year on the railroad laying track before he decided college was a much better career track.
it left him with a respect for labor and laborers that is sadly lacking in your posts.
…
as i posted this post and started to navigate away..
i realized that respect for anything is sadly lacking in your posts :(
that is a sad thing.
January 6, 2013 at 2:15 am #781514
hooper1961Memberi spent a summer making metal barrels
January 6, 2013 at 2:17 am #781515
JoBParticipanthoop
it’s too bad you didn’t learn more from the experience hoop…
because you don’t seem to have come away from that experience with any respect for those who make their living the hard way..
January 6, 2013 at 2:28 am #781516
hooper1961Memberi also conducted inspection work on a large public works project and saw the workers working hard; those that didn’t were not on the job the next day.
i also saw the bad by getting reprimanded for simply helping hold up a tool while the laborer had to fix something. apparently i took work away from another laborer for 5 minutes (basically a stupid rule that reduces efficiency)
January 6, 2013 at 2:38 am #781517
miwsParticipantWe must have efficiency! Trim the workforce, and then berate and belittle those laid-off, for being good for nothing lazy asses!
January 6, 2013 at 2:45 am #781518
hooper1961Membermiws there are numerous outdated work rules that impair efficiency that make no sense at all. it is now a global economy and efficiency is imperative.
i got laid off in the 2003 recession and did not collect 1 unemployment check. i dated a woman that worked 24/7 to find a full time job after her contract job ended. there are jobs available to those that work hard to find one.
January 6, 2013 at 3:14 am #781519
miwsParticipanti got laid off in the 2003 recession and did not collect 1 unemployment check. i dated a woman that worked 24/7 to find a full time job after her contract job ended. there are jobs available to those that work hard to find one.
Yeah.
We know.
You’ve only told us 9,298,276,193,594 times before.
January 6, 2013 at 4:19 am #781520
JoBParticipantJanuary 6, 2013 at 4:57 am #781521
hooper1961MemberJanuary 6, 2013 at 5:37 am #781522
miwsParticipantI may be off by a couple billion, Jo.
January 6, 2013 at 4:20 pm #781523
WorldCitizenParticipant“miws you liberals forget when SS was started most people died before receiving a dime; now most people are living far longer and healthier than in the past and yet the angst against adjusting the retirement age upward to reflect the fact people are living longer.”
This statement is not true.
January 6, 2013 at 5:30 pm #781524
hooper1961Memberand based on what data WorldCitizen?
January 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm #781525
WorldCitizenParticipantBased on the link I posted in post number 49.
January 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm #781526
hooper1961MemberWorldCitizen
yup thank you for the data that shows that people in 1990 draw benefits for on average 3.75 years longer than in 1940; thus supporting my contention raising the retirement age as being appropriate.
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