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November 28, 2011 at 11:41 pm #741643
dobroParticipantI’m referencing the link I posted in #18 which redblack grabbed a screenshot from. If you haven’t looked at it, check it out to see more about this right wing nutjob’s affiliation with domestic terrorist groups and get back to me on “having a good time” with slime of his ilk.
November 28, 2011 at 11:46 pm #741644
dobroParticipant“If he was that serious of a threat they would have arrested him already.”
Believe it or not, there are people who represent serious threats who have not been arrested yet. Sounds crazy, I know, but not all dangerous people have been arrested yet. Don’t believe me? Hey, there were crimes committed today!
November 28, 2011 at 11:54 pm #741645
BostonmanMemberYou’re right but the people arrested today weren’t posting on a web site about their desire to commit said crime. This guy is putting things out there on what looks like facebook. He hung a sign on the side of his truck that didn’t threaten anyone and he got a visit from the secret service. If this was serious he would have also gotten a visit from them for this.
Still not sure what your problem is. In the end it seems like its your problem. Its not my problem I know that. Eventually I guess it could become this guy in Alabamas problem.
November 29, 2011 at 12:45 am #741646
skeeterParticipantDobro, I’m “having a good time” because I think the original story is funny. I don’t know anything about this fella other than the funny sign he put on his trucks.
November 29, 2011 at 2:09 am #741647
dobroParticipantI understand the humor of the story if you just look at the surface. The article I linked to has a lot more “below the surface” detail that makes it more unpleasant. If you read the article you’ll know what I mean.
November 29, 2011 at 2:56 am #741648
kootchmanMemberHmmmm…they walk amongst US redblack…. cause and effect.
November 29, 2011 at 3:08 am #741649
JanSParticipantso, Kootch…do you agree with this guy at the Crane Co, or not? Is he right?
November 29, 2011 at 4:32 am #741650
JoBParticipantBostonman..
you really should follow the links and take a look at this guy…
I am not sure he even admits that Obama is a citizen..
he definately states Obama’s a muslim
and forming an army
and…
he is hanging with some pretty radical idiots talking a pretty strong brand of trash that include a call to arms…
in this case.. ignorance is not bliss…
some of these guys are driving your bus :(
November 29, 2011 at 2:02 pm #741651
redblackParticipantbostonman:
You seriously think a normal thinking capitalist took this guy seriously? If the guy losses net income growth at his company because Obama is in office he is his own idiot.
dude, CNBC, bloomberg, all of those talking heads on wall street are saying the same thing: “we can’t invest because of our uncertainty about obama’s tax and regulatory policies.”
how is that any different from what the jackass in lunchmmeat, GA is saying?
the entire country is “losing income” because the people with the dough won’t invest, despite obama’s attempt to incentivize them.
“oh, we could invest, we could hire people, but we won’t. there’s just too much uncertainty.”
the funny thing is, they already have low taxes, and they rarely talk about what would make them more certain.
hey, obama bashers. this is our country, too, and we want some reckoning. it’s high time to redistribute that wealth, ’cause this ain’t working. invest in your country or be taxed.
November 29, 2011 at 4:31 pm #741652
kootchmanMemberThanks for the laugh redblack!
“despite obama’s attempt to incentivize them.”
Can’t tax that which ain’t here,…or isn’t income.
“it’s high time to redistribute that wealth”
It’s his business…if he thinks the long term risks outweigh the short term income. I big to differ, he should do whatever fits his temperment, his business plan etc… he doesn’t KNOW the costs of Obamacare yet..still. He doesn’t know the return on his hire… sorry to disappoint you all, but the hassles of having an employee that generates a measly 15K net profit, for some, no, it is not worth the hassle. especially in a small, closely held firm. What will his marginal tax rate be? Cranes are capital intensive little gizmos… a new hire may mean a new crane lease/purchase…. energy costs? Cap and trade and a carbon hostile administration who tries at every turn to raise energy prices by legislation, restricted supplies. “big oil” taxes.. etc… it’s a long long list of things to consider. Not ot worry though..if he IS turning down business in a capital and labor intense market..and that business is substantial… someone will go for it… UNLESS… they feel like he does.. which seems to be the case.
November 29, 2011 at 9:27 pm #741653
BostonmanMemberMost companies aren’t hiring right now because of demand. Not because they don’t have enough cash.
November 30, 2011 at 3:50 am #741654
JoBParticipantNovember 30, 2011 at 4:37 am #741655
DBPMemberMost companies aren’t hiring right now because of demand. Not because they don’t have enough cash.
That I can understand.
So why didn’t the guy just put on his sign: Not hiring until demand for our product increases.
A: Because that doesn’t sound enough like “I hate Obama.”
November 30, 2011 at 4:44 am #741656
DBPMemberSuggested new business slogan, based on an idea from kootch, (#35):
           “We’re a Carbon-Friendly Business.”
It’ll be the biggest marketing gimmick since the “Jesus fish” and Se habla español.
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November 30, 2011 at 5:38 am #741657
redblackParticipantMost companies aren’t hiring right now because of demand. Not because they don’t have enough cash.
it doesn’t help when you criticize the government for trying to invest in infrastructure spending that would let contracts for bid that would put people to work that would give them paychecks that would allow them to spend that would create demand for goods and services.
(what jo said.)
oh, noes! that’s socialism!
so how does fighting infrastructure investment and cheerleading tax cuts help create demand? taxes are already low, and people still aren’t spending.
November 30, 2011 at 5:58 pm #741658
BostonmanMemberSo you want companies to spend money to hire employees who will sit around in the office? Never going to happen. Companies always wait as long as possible before filling positions based on demand.
There is a lot more that goes into a decision to hire more staff than just money. Hiring people does not create demand for product. If anything it could increase supply.
November 30, 2011 at 6:22 pm #741659
DBPMemberGiving someone a job (and a paycheck) DOES create demand for products/services by that someone — though not necessarily the products/services that same someone is producing.
Therein lies the problem . . .
I agree with Bostonman on this, to an extent. If I had a small business (a donut shop, for example), I wouldn’t hire more workers based merely on the obscure hope that everyone else would do the same and I’d therefore sell more donuts. Instead, I’d hire solely based on the existing demand for donuts.
However, If I owned an auto factory, and I had a little money in reserve, I might just take a gamble on hiring more workers and raising the wages of the ones I already had, on the bet that I’d grow the business by selling more cars to the workers I was employing in my own factory.
Guess who I stole that idea from?
Anybody?
Anybody?
Henry Ford.
November 30, 2011 at 6:58 pm #741660
BostonmanMemberThe global economy is a lot different than it was when Henry Ford was around. I think a better statement is disposable income helps fuel demand. Companies hiring more people in hopes that demand for their product will grow are living in a fairy tale. No one I know thats runs a company does this. The more likely scenario is they give pay raises or bonues to existing employees.
In the absence of increased demand with cash in the bank giving raises would be better than hiring employees. If there is still cash left over at the end of the day after that there is still better uses for that cash than hiring employees to do nothing. If I had cash and hired 2 people right now they would sit around and do nothing.
To address DP’s first paragraph
“Giving someone a job (and a paycheck) DOES create demand for products/services by that someone — though not necessarily the products/services that same someone is producing.”
You are more than likely going to be affecting demand for product in another country and likely not your own. So are you relying on the company next to you to hire people so they will buy your product? What if its a product you don’t need? What if you manufacture a component of another product and that manufacturer isn’t receiving any orders?
The global economy is much different than it was even 20 years ago. Its not a simple as hiring someone locally and then seeing your demand grow.
November 30, 2011 at 7:40 pm #741661
DBPMemberYeah, what you said. Consumers with more cash on hand tend to buy more stuff that’s made in China rather than stuff made here.
This gets us back to the old tarrif question. I say we need tarrifs to revive American industry. Without them, we’re dead.
Tarrifs hurt consumers in the short run, but in the long run they help both consumers and producers.
November 30, 2011 at 8:34 pm #741662
BostonmanMemberUnless we wind up in a tarrif trade war with Asia, which we would lose. We import more than we export and if we impose tarrifs on imports and they impose tarrifs on our exports we don’t gain anything. In fact the likely scenario is higher costs for basic products manufactured in Asia.
Because we exported our manufacturing base and signed free trade agreements we basically signed a right to export jobs and the right to be able to regulate our trade deficits. Many of the things imported nowadays are basic goods. If the government charges a tarrif on sneakers then Nike will just charge more. Then China will just charge a tarrif on GM cars being exported to them which will hurt a US company.
We have backed ourselves into a corner over the last 40 years. We are in a different world than we were back then, a different economy. I wish it was as simple as just charging tarrifs on goods.
I realize I am not offering anything new in the conversation and just playing devils advocate but the world economy is not a pretty picture right now. You have Europe on the verge of bankruptcy, Asia manipulating the price of their currency and the US running huge deficits. The only area of the world with lots of cash is the middle east because of oil deposits.
The next 3 to 5 years are not going to be pretty anywhere. If I could find a buyer for my company now I would take the money I could and move my family out of the US. I can’t do that though but I fear the worst is still ahead. Gone are the days where a country is self reliant. Most every industrialized country is dependent on the economy of another industrialized country.
December 1, 2011 at 5:58 am #741663
JoBParticipantDBP…
if you owned a donut shop you would be putting on more workers because in a “downturn” people treat themselves to small pleasures like donuts…
if you owned a cake shop, you might have to reconsider.
December 1, 2011 at 6:01 am #741664
JoBParticipantBostonman…
when buying donuts..
most consumers will buy local given the chance
that said, i did buy a dollar box of mini moon pies from a local drugstore yesterday.
i ate them all before i checked to see if they were made in china.
i do better due diligence when it comes to dog treats :(
December 1, 2011 at 6:59 am #741665
JanSParticipantJoB…for mundane donuts one shops locally…for Maple Bacon bars one goes to…Frost :)
December 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm #741666
JoBParticipantJanS
for bacon maple bars… one drives to Portland :(
i know.. i know…
some guilty pleasures incur more guilt than others.
December 1, 2011 at 7:29 pm #741667
kootchmanMemberredblack.. infrastructure investment? Keystone was ready to start welding pipe, move dirt, hire environmental engineers, geologists, common laborers… AND the public didn’t have to finance it. In fact, the pipeline royalties would have gone to the states…and provide jobs and revenues for years to come. What did we do? We pissed away a half a billion bucks on a solar company that lasted four months, whose debts we will pay off in borrowed money from China, and pay years and millions in interest expense. And we have a hollow building..which the taxpayer has no lien rights against.. the latter was an Obama donater,.. the former was not. Add a positive trade balance, lower consumer costs thrown out the window. When companies want to invest in America..look what we do! FINALLY, a shovel ready job!!! Guess he doesn’t recognize one when he sees one! JoB .. sure beats a donut shop for multiplicative economic impact! Now… off we go to spend a few hundred billion on bailing out Europe, and propping up failed democratic/socialist governments which the current administration is so simpatico with. Crank up those windmills..better yet, learn to build one. Failed states are notoriously unreliable power suppliers. Imagine being an oil exporter to China? No… better to buy those reuseable, petro polyester/ethylene based, green shopping bags, from China. To show how green we are. Y, know the ones that cultivate e coli between washings in nitrogen bloom inducing detergents in purified, fossil fuel fired hot water. Don’t ya just wakeup every morning laughing your keester off? Obama … a decisive man. Wait until after the election before the pipeline is actually built .. how transparant is that? Better to tax a millionaire than let American businesses hire… It’s the Democratic Way. Hey redblack? Who love’s ya baby? AFL-CIO wants the pipeline…my god.. they could actually be Newt campaign donors! Unemployment/welfare or union scale wages. BTY… facists are liberals.. your quote “mussolini hated liberals.”… Mussolini was a liberal journalist and politician… the supremacy of the state doctrine .. that is facism, the end result of unchecked liberalism. See the parallels? State owned banks, healthcare, transportation, social controls, dominant state “PC”.. etc? Better read up on the big fellahs history.
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