Alki tavern/feral cats please read

[hammerhead]

In my efforts to help feral cats. I am working with Seattle Animal Control. They got a call from someone about feral cats at the boat ramp area. (1222 Harbor ave) I went into Alki tavern they said these cats just showed up. Kitty Harbor was able to trap one. Here is the Sh@$%Y part. The cat she has, has been RECENTLY fixed at Feral Cat Project, eartip is fresh. There is one more cat out there. I am pretty much the only trapper in the west seattle area, yes I know there a few others. My concern is that some one had these cats fixed and DUMPED them at Alki. I did not trap these cats. If any one KNOWS anything please contact me asap at 206-427-6454. This was the wrong thing to do to these cats. THis is where they will have to stay too.

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[WSB]

Curious as I still don’t entirely understand the logistics and philosophies regarding feral cats. But my rudimentary understanding was – trap, neuter, release? Is it that Alki is a bad place to release them? Are they supposed to be released where they were trapped? Only released in residential neighborhoods? Or do you find new homes for them after they are trapped and neutered? I understand there are differences of opinion among animal advocates but I was wondering what specifically is the issue here – the location, or? Thanks for enlightenment. I know you are passionate about your work.

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[Buddy]

I’m confused too.

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[justcuz]

I’m not sure I’m going to find a good link before I have to leave, and hopefully hammerhead will beat me back here, because she’s a wealth of info. But in a nutshell – while the other term is often used interchangeably, the practice (TNR) is actually Trap, Neuter, and Return. The last piece is really important for the cats’ survival and they should be returned to the trapping location. Though it’s good someone got these cats spayed/neutered, moving them to an unfamiliar area could shorten their lives considerably.

Unsocialized adult cats cannot be adopted out 99.9% of the time. If reached in time, kittens can be worked with!

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[WSB]

Thanks!

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[hammerhead]

yes sorry yes trap neuter and RETURN to the site where they were TRAPPED. Not dumped some where else. I believe Alki tavern that these cats just showed up. Hopefully they will be willing to care for the cats now they have been dumped here. I plan on talking to them today and going from there. Now there is slight possibility that a neighboring condo complex fixed these guys but unlikely. The other local trapper knows nothing about these cats.

F.C.A.T

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[hammerhead]

UPDATE: I got the last female kittens very skinny. can feel ribs. This really is NOT a place for young kittens especially if this is not the area where they came from. Although Alki Tavern said they would care for them, just not a safe place. Then with not enough volunteers to help tame, shelter can’t take her. I am probably going to have to put her down. Either getting hit by a car or even a motorcycle.

F.C.A.T

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[JeffSavoie]

Pamela,

You are correct in saying you aren’t the only trapper in the area, but you are incorrect in saying “The other local trapper knows nothing about these cats.”

There’s actually several of us “trappers” in the area, I’m one of them, and I was never asked if I knew anything… though I generally don’t deal with feral cats because of the lack of clarity in the law, as it regards feral cats (are they homeless domestics, or non-indigenous wild animals?)… and because, unless I can develop a working relationship with an organization like yours, that deals with feral cats, I am not left with many options.

I worked on a job (raccoons), near there, recently, and encountered several feral and pet cats while on it (though it can be extremely difficult, for me, to tell the difference).

As a policy, I let all cats go, on site, unless injured, or obviously unhealthy. Again since I don’t have the resources to use TNR as a solution, I don’t have many options I am willing to apply (like euthanization).

Otherwise any cat needing medical attention, is taken, or turned over, to Animal Control (*I have a great working relationship with them, and will miss them if they go away).

It’d be nice if you and I could work together, I often wonder if I am catching your targets, and you are catching mine, each in turn, making one anothers jobs more difficult (by creating trap shy quarry), though I am all too aware, that feral cats are way way less likely to become trap shy than raccoons are.

Jeff Savoie

All City Animal Control

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[hammerhead]

Feral cats are NOT true wild animals, like a raccoon or seagull. We are talking about 2 different types of trapping. You trap animals that people don’t want cat or raccoon or some other wild animal.

Law: if the person(s)making the complaint then can trap the cat themselves or hire you and brought to the local shelter. This needs to be on their property only.

I don’t trap cats that you would be trapping. As all of my cats go back.

In releasing feral cats you trap and not getting them spayed or neutered is a problem. There are options to have them s/n at feral cat spay neuter project. There info in online.

Both KCAC and Seattle animals control are NO longer killing feral cats for the most part ie health issue ect.

You can call me at 206-427-6454 and discus s/n options.

I respect that this is how you make a living. I will make if very clear that all animals have a right to live. Just because someone doesn’t want a raccoon around in my opinions doesn’t give them the right to have it trapped and killed. Again my opinion.

F.C.A.T.

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[JeffSavoie]

Pamela,

Okay, what about eastern gray squirrels, wild turkey, or Rocky Mountain elk, in Washington, are they wild animals?

All were introduced to the ecosystem, by humans, and all weigh on the carrying capacity of the land they inhabit, just like feral cats.

The law, allows much leeway to the land owner, or land manager, that is not allowed to the nuisance wildlife control operator or professional/commercial fur trapper.

And you, too, are allowed some “space”, since feral cats occupy a gray area (between pet and wild animal).

A homeowner/land manager is not required to have a trapping license, nor a nuisance permit (in most cases).

Neither are they required to go through the education, background checks, quarterly/yearly reporting process, or system of accountability that the licensed trapper must.

I’d like to see that change.

You yourself, are skirting the law, in my opinion, trapping on properties you don’t own or manage, unlicensed, for what I fully consider to be wild animals (they certainly aren’t tame, and you state that in your own words).

And you are receiving compensation, monetary or otherwise, for doing so, without a NWCO permit (clearly a violation of the law, profit or not).

I don’t purposefully trap cats (felis domesticus), ever.

And I don’t doubt for an instance, that some of the incidental catches I have made, are cats that you or other feral cat “rescuers” are hoping to include in your program(s).

(*I have cooperated with individuals, who do what you do, turning over cats they had on their “wanted” lists.)

The fact that the ones you catch, “go back” has nothing to do with the subject at hand… that I (incidentally) catch cats, often feral, and without clipped ears.

As I stated, I cannot always tell if a cat is feral or not, and release is often my only viable option (economically, and legally).

I don’t think that TNR is any different, than trapping and euthanizing (TE), in a final outcome scenario.

*Only TE doesn’t contain, and perform medical procedures to unwilling participants.

Being cluatraphobic, and fearful of doctors, I find TNR bordering on torture, not unlike an alien abduction story.

*I, personally, see a conibear trap as much more humane than a cage trap, in many if not most cases.

But they aren’t always the right tool for the job, placing non-targets at a greater risk. So, cage traps become the next best alternative (not THE best, for every case)

And, TNR, if effective, would eventually do away with all “wild” cats, through ceased reproduction.

I personally don’t believe TNR, TE, hunting, poisoning, sterilization, or a concentrated and concerted application of all of the above, would or will ever solve the feral cat problem, until people stop creating it.

And even then I doubt we’ll ever be completely rid of them.

We are “stuck with” feral cats, just like we’re stuck with the eastern gray squirrel, and the European starling.

The man-made problem, is now bigger than any man-made solution can ever address.

It’s not my opinion, that many of the species of animals I target, need to be euthanized… it’s the law.

I don’t like it… but I am required to adhere to it.

The law (except in rare and specific cases), hard science, and common sense, shows that animals need to be released on the same site they were captured.

In the case of feral cats, who rarely do property damage, rarely pose health or safety risks to humans, release (on site) isn’t as clearly a negative.

With other animals that pose more clear threats, the opposite is true.

*Though cats without their vaccinations pose a threat to pets and wild animals. Cat waste has components that pose risks to sea otter populations. And cats, feral and domestic, kill millions of songbirds and small mammals annually. …but I digress.

Most of the animals I do target, have shown a propensity to do property damage, and/or pose serious health risks, and must be stopped from doing so.

I can’t, and won’t, come out and catch a raccoon just because someone wants me to… there are criteria that legally constitute a “nuisance”, and I often advocate behavior modification, and removal of attractants, as a solution.

Nobody, more than likely including you, wants a mountain lion, a bear, or a coyote, running lose in their neighborhood, and easily recognize the threats they could pose.

With some other wild animals (including feral cats) these threats aren’t as easily identified, or apparent, but they do exist.

You know the difference between a 250 pound bear, and a 25 pound raccoon?

…225 pounds!

Both are predatory omnivores, more than capable of inflicting harm.

(*I sure feel for the couple in Ballard, just now finishing up their rabies shots, because they and their dog were physically attacked by an aggressive raccoon, in their own yard.)

The animals, that do pose threats “to public health, safety, or property” must be stopped from doing so.

And since release off site isn’t appropriate… humane euthanization, as prescribed (and described) by the American Veterinarian Society, and as it appears in written law, is the next best option.

Most if not all of the people who truly need me, are really glad I am available, and qualified, to HELP them.

What I do, isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessary service, that benefits the individual, and often times the community at large.

So, Pamela, I have to wonder, what’s your philosophical position, on vermin?

Do cockroaches hold the same place in your heart as your beloved cats and “all animals”?

How about trapping mice or rats, do you consider the common and legal traps, for these species, humane and viable solutions?

I don’t expect you to adopt my opinion, but I do hope you’ll consider some of what I have presented, as you (and others reading this) formulate your own. ;)

It’s fairly obvious, to me, that you and I are never going to see eye to eye, completely. So calling you is probably a waste of both of our time.

Perhaps the best thing would be for me to refer my clientele to you, when and if (suspected) feral cats are caught, and you could assist them directly as you, and they, see fit?

Otherwise I see no reason to alter the (perfectly legal) manner in which I currently deal with cats… but I am willing to entertain your point of view, on the subject, with an open mind, in the hopes that a better alternative and understanding could be found.

My phone is always on,

Jeff Savoie

All City Animal Control

(206) 914-9196

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[GenHillOne]

huh? Sorry, I checked out in paragraph 10 of what, 35? All I really need to know if I were to hire you, Jeff – do you put racoons down in your business model?

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[JeffSavoie]

GenHillOne,

I’m sorry too, I am fairly wordy, and I had much to say.

All of it, I felt, pertinent to the discussion.

Your question is somewhat ambiguous…

Do I put down, as in list raccoons, as part of my business model?

Or do I put down, as in euthanize raccoons, as part of my business model?

The answer to both forms of the question, though, is yes.

If you’d read my entire post, you’d have seen, I am required to do so, by law.

And, that I don’t like it (the law being written as such, nor performing the deed).

Reading further, you’d have seen, that “…I often advocate behavior modification, and removal of attractants, as a solution.”

Trapping isn’t always the best answer, because, it ends in euthanization of animals that do not need, or deserve, to be euthanized.

But, to quote paragraph 31 (of 34, if you count *notations as paragraphs)…

“I don’t expect you to adopt my opinion, but I do hope you’ll consider some of what I have presented, as you (and others reading this) formulate your own. ;)”

I guess, with you, my hopes fell short of my goals.

Jeff Savoie

All City Animal Control

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[GenHillOne]

Yes, I did mean euthanize, and I guess I’ve formulated the opinion that it isn’t an option for me. There’s always the legal vs. right question and the answer isn’t the same for all of us.

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It seems that you have a lot of anger that I don’t understand. Maybe you see a situation like this as a threat to your business, or too much trouble to bother, I don’t know. But this sounds like it was a very collaborative effort between Seattle Animal Shelter, FCAT, Kitty Harbor, and Alki Tavern that may end up in a happy ending.

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[JeffSavoie]

GenHillOne,

I agree, there’s legal, and there’s right.

And, hopefully, without putting myself at risk (of losing my license), I’ll say, that in my business model, I also try to remember that the customer is always right.

“I don’t always drive 60mph on the freeway”…

And, in a public forum, that’s all I have to say about that.

I am not angry, with you, or anyone else.

And I don’t see the feral cat issue, a threat to my business.

But it can be a waste of my time, dealing with feral and/or pet cats, plugging up my traps, despite efforts to avoid catching them (like using marshmellows and/or fruit based baits, when applicable).

In many cases, since I am trying to conduct a business, and time is money, participating in “rescue” work, and dealing with felis domestici, is a drain on my resources.

And Pamela and I have had some history, both personal and online, that I see as less than positive.

But I try not to hold a grudge over it.

She is very hardheaded, and we often clash on these forums, because of that.

Heck, I can be pretty stubborn, myself. :)

I have collaborated with other “rescue” operators, in the past, and applaud their efforts (to a degree).

As I stated above, I worked near the Alki Tavern recently, and encountered some of the very cats she may have been after (and let them go).

I’d have gladly provided my cooperation, had I been asked for it.

But she’s never asked, she just says “the way I deal with cats, is wrong”.

And, if you pick up what might be my frustration, as anger, toward you, you are mistaken… but if you’d read what I wrote, we wouldn’t be rehashing points made in my original post.

And I dislike having my time and efforts, wasted, like that.

I don’t see returning feral cats, to the “wild”, as a solution.

The introduction of non-indigenous species is rarely a happy ending, especially for those animals displaced and extinguished by such.

Look at the Weatern Gray Squirrel, if you doubt my logic.

They are now endangered, due to the purposeful introduction of the now ubiquitous Eastern Gray Squirrel.

You know the difference between a feral cat, and a pit bull on the lose?

About 70 pounds.

Cats, both feral and domestic are killers, and no dog would ever be allowed that same latitude, by society.

The cat is allowed this latitude, because they kill rodents, but this doesn’t excuse the killing of songbirds, in my book.

The only good cat, in my opinion, is an indoor cat.

They can kill rodents there, where they actually are providing a service, by doing so.

Jeff Savoie

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[JenV]

is this spam advertising for All City Animal Control? Seems like it. So much spam tonight.

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[JanS]

JenV…Jeff has posted on here before, and I think has helped out a few people with his trapping. So, technically, not spam, I suppose?

I just find the “animosity” between Jeff and Pamela interesting. A shame there isn’t a way for these two to work together. I love that Pamela does what she does…both can co-exist. When it comes down to it, it’s education of people that’s needed. Keep cats inside, be responsible, get your pets spayed and neutered, help keep the feral cat population down from the start.

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[Cait]

I would just like to say that in my experience with FCAT, Pam has a great balance going. She was sure to give us full details before we adopted our kitten and let us know precisely what she does and more importantly how/why she does it. I don’t think anyone wants to see an animal die – if there were homes for all of them, the world would be a happier place.

I like that FCAT has the prevention angle down as well as helping animals that are already out there and in danger.

I’m from the “lets all have some milk and cookies and sit down and talk it out” school of thought – but I’m getting a bit of the “on the offensive” vibe from ya, Jeff. Though it’s helped bring some awareness to the issue, I just think it’s unnecessary at this point.

BTW, FCAT – Mia says hi!

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[sunshine]

What an inteesting thread! I’m struck by the belief that “all animals deserve to live”. What about animals who will deprive other animals of thier right to live?

Heartworm is an animal. Does it deserve to live? If not, why not?

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[hammerhead]

The world is not a balanced place it never will be again so I/we do what we can. I do not trap true wild animals(squirrels, racoons) I just trap feral cats, legally not deemed wild animals. Legally I should have have permit to trap them but it is not going to be enforced by SAS they have bigger things to deal with. I am not taking any business away from Jeff, as he knows that.

As for rat, mice and cockroaches well they all deserve to live but if it becomes a problem then it needs to be handled in a matter that is safe for humans.

Jeff to make it easier for you if you should trap a feral cat in the SAS lines take it to Seattle animal shelter they will call me and I will take care of it. Or you can even take it to South Seattle vet. Let them know where it came from and that way I can come out and trap the rest of them. Releasing a unaltered cat back out where you just trapped it doesn’t seem to go with what you just said above, while you don’t agree with TNR, you releasing the cat that will make more kittens makes a bigger problem. Since it is wasting your time having to trap and retrap cats again.

Sunshine: heartworm? Really? If my dog gets it, it will be killed, like I said if it becomes a problem then it needs to be dealt with .

Hope this clears things up.

F.C.A.T

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[Lena]

No matter where you stand on if feral cats should be allowed to live or not, TNR is the only method that actually controls populations of feral cats and tame cats in shelters. Trap and euthanize does not work.

There are no government agencies that have the money or the man power to trap all the feral cats out there. And there is no way for them to find all this populations since folks guard their colonies against law enforcement.

People like Pamela and the many other feral trappers out there are willing to trap these cats with their own time and money and see that they get fixed. They do it because they care about the animals and want to help to end overpopulation and the destruction of healthy cats in the shelters.

They are also able to gain the trust of folks that would fear law enforcement and work in situations that animal control can not.

There is no way you could get a large volunteer force to trap and kill cats.

In fact in San Francisco, with the help of a large grant called Maddie’s fund, they found that having staff members to work with volunteer trappers to TNR was the most effective way to reduce the numbers of cats and kittens euthanized in the shelters.

The most effective way to reduce cat euthanasia starts with TNR!

A large percentage of the kittens ending up in the shelters are offspring of ferals. A large percentage of shelter euthanasias are the offspring of ferals.

If you simply trap and euthanized, other cats come into the niche that is left by these cats, this has been proven in studies of feral cat populations. If you TNR you have a controlled population that is not contributing to your shelter population.

This is not just about helping the ferals but about ending cat overpopulation and euthanasia in the shelters!

Lena McCullough, DVM

former veterinarian for the feral cat spay/neuter project

former director of veterinary services for the Seattle Humane Society

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[JeffSavoie]

Jen,

Spamming was never my intention, just like I doubt it was Pamela’s, when she included her information in her posts.

I have, in the past, been asked to include my contact information, for the benefit of the users of this blog.

And yes, by doing so, this has been a small benefit to myself (I think I have worked for about five bloggers, over the past two years).

All happy customers. ;)

It seems I could only edit the last post I made, from which I removed my business name, and, I have sent a request to the editor, to remove my business name from the other posts I made to this thread.

I sincerely apologize if my apparent spamming has offended anyone.

That’s the best I can do.

Perhaps, you should remove the name from your post, as well, lest this be a case of the pot calling the kettle black, eh? lol

Jan,

Thanks for the show of support.

I was and am only trying to provide information, so that readers of these blogs can make informed decisions.

Adding the business name, has become second nature for me, as I post or correspond by e-mail. I didn’t even think about it… and just this morning noticed I had done so, in the coyote mapping thread, even after conflict arose over such, in this one. (Doh!)

Any “animosity” on my part, likely stems from the way Pamela and I met.

It’s one of my best “war stories”, of conflicts with “the other side”, and when it happened I was extremely scared of her.

She’s not exactly “petite” and she was fairly aggressive.

“This big ol’ crazy tattooed chick” is how, I believe, I first described her… lol

I never know where it’s going, when I am asked “what are the traps (in the back of my truck) for?”…

Just a few weeks prior to meeting Pamela one of my peers in another state, was pepper sprayed at a stoplight, resulting in a fender bender, and a trip to the emergency room.

At the time, Pamela said the reason she stopped me, the way she did, was that I didn’t have the name of my business displayed on my truck…

So I have to wonder how she feels about it being included to my posts on the blog?

One man’s spamming, is another man’s “friend or foe?”. lol

*Only my traps, by law, need to have identification on them, and if one calls the WDFW with that number, they are required to disclose to whom they belong.

Cait,

I feel like, I’m on the defensive.

But they do say “the best defense, is a good offense”.

And I’ll try, to tone it down.

But I am very passionate about the subject of introduced species.

And, I don’t think much more of, wild turkeys, Rocky Mountain elk, and the other “interlopers”, which drain on the resources of this State and it’s residents, and displace and and extinguish indigenous species, than I do feral and domestic cats.

Sunshine,

I’m with you, which living things deserve to live or die is a widely spread interpretation… what about viruses, or molds, and on up the tree of evolution?

Do higher species hold a higher value?

Who gets to decide?

Pamela,

You say, here, you don’t trap wild animals, but your own website says “If, when trapping, a raccoon or opossum is found, the trapper releases it back into the area where they are trapping.”

If you are claiming you personally never get non-target catches, of raccoons, opossums, etc. I am gonna have to, respectfully, call B.S. on you (or come learn how you do that, lol). :D

I love that… you “find” raccoons in your traps, but I “catch” cats in mine. Haha ha

And I believe, that the legal classification of feral cats, should be changed so that they are considered wild.

To me you got two choices, tame or wild.

No gray area, for the feral, especially when they predate upon other animals clearly considered wild, and/or negatively impact the ecosystem (the goats on Catalina Island come to my mind, in the case of the latter).

Cats (pets), in my opinion, should not be allowed to roam freely, just like dogs aren’t.

At the very least this would make identifying feral/wild ones, a lot easier.

And would greatly increase the chances of ending the feral cat problem, once and for all.

I don’t have the time, or the financial resources, to go to SAS every time I catch a cat.

And …If we cut out the middlemen you cite, we could save you and me, and the public services already strained to the point of possible closures, all, some time and money. No?

And I have stated several times now, I don’t have the ability to tell, definitively, what cats are feral, or not…

I ask ’em, but they don’t say. :)

Not all domestics are friendly, or wear collars, and especially those stressed by capture, could be misidentified.

The unauthorized transport of pets (personal property) is illegal, and has lead to litigation for people in my industry.

I am held to much higher standards than you are, and am not allowed the “burden of proof” that the average citizen is.

A “judgment” by the Director of the Enforcement Dept of the WDFW, that I have violated the law, is all that is required to revoke my license.

There’s some “don’t ask don’t tell” at the WDFW level as well, like you’ve found with SAS (in regards to bending the law a bit here and there), but, I cannot afford to risk even a single complaint.

I release them, because it’s the only legal option I have, that fits my own philosophy.

I have no incentive, to adhere to yours, and several incentives not to.

The safest and most ethical thing I can do, is to leave feral cats in a trap, sign a waiver allowing you (or someone like you) to have possession and control of my equipment, and walk away.

Or… let ’em go.

Do I like the fact that I am possibly perpetuating the problem, by doing so?

Nope.

You’re either part of the solution, or part of the problem… and I am not at all happy to be on the wrong end of that!

But I don’t feel there is a workable and final solution, at all.

As I said, the man-made problem, is bigger than any man-made solution we can come up with.

I believe you are spinning your wheels… but I applaud your efforts, just the same.

I honestly wish things were different between you and I.

And I wish the best for you and your peers.

Lena,

Mark Twain said, “there are lies, damn lies, and statistics!”

Studies generally show what those doing the studying want them to.

I could cite studies done at my end of the belief spectrum, that show TNR doesn’t work.

And if you doubt for an instance that TE doesn’t work, look at the wolf, in North America.

They were all but eradicated, through a concerted effort of trapping, hunting, and poisoning. *Without the inclusion of TNR.

It’s not an easy thing to do, Animal Damage Control experts, and studies done by such and the agencies they represent, show, in coyotes and feral hogs, that as many as 75% of the population must be eliminated, over a several year span of time, before populations can be controlled or removed completely.

As you say, by lowering the population level only slightly, you actually increase the carrying capacity of the land, the levels of competition for these resources drop, and populations are actually benefited by low level (numbers-wise) population control.

Deer and other big game species are managed in this very “culling” manner, improving herd and ecosystem health, in the process.

TNR applied in these same low levels, won’t solve the problem any more than TE would.

After a sterilized cat lives out it’s lifespan, it’s niche is filled by another, and another, and so on.

So, I have to ask… why did you include your titles in your post?

Perhaps to lend credence to your opinion, and to show that you have education, and qualifications, to base your opinions on?

Or is it spam? (tongue in cheek)

Maybe, I’ll follow your lead…

Jeff Savoie

Licensed Nuisance Wildlife Control Operator

Licensed Commercial Fur Trapper

Former King County Representative, Wa. State Trapper’s Association

Assistant Instructor, Trapper Education

Graduate, Wa. Hunter Safety and Education

BETA tester and advisor, to the WDFW, for the proposed (drafted) and current Trapper Education manuals (subsequent to I-713)

Collector and supplier of specimens, to the University of Washington’s animal studies dept

Former Sierra Club member

Ducks Unlimited member

ASPCA supporter

Conservationist

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[GenHillOne]

holy crap

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[Jiggers]

Those critters make for good happy hour appetizers.

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[WSB]

Hey all, got flagged on this thread for general review, not on a specific post.

I don’t see direct-attack removal candidates at the moment but please keep it that way.

And if this is indeed a question for anyone – we have no rules against including “sig” type information in a post, regarding your contact info, your business, whatever.

If it got out of hand and it seemed people weren’t truly participating in a discussion but were just throwing that on to have a self-promotional excuse, yes, we could certainly rule that to be spam, like the out and out spam that appears on occasion (like last night, cringe) – and we do see that sometimes, when someone reopens a year-old thread just as an excuse to say “Hey, come see us at Business X n X.”

Thanks again for your passion and for being able to voice it short of insulting each other.

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[Crazy Canuck]

Wow! Quoting Mark Twain and talking about changing people’s philosophy, yet you are so uneducated on the topic. There is NO direct intention of trapping raccoons and possums. This is a rare occurrence and those animals are always treated with the utmost respect for there “wild” state. Pamela’s efforts are supported by Seattle Animals Shelter, King County Animal Control, Bellevue Humane Society, PAWS, and several other local animal rescue organizations. From what I’m reading, you’re right, and all of these organizations must be wrong. Perhaps a little education on the subject would save you the time and trouble of writing lengthy blog messages.

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