FAUNTLEROY FERRY DOCK: Timeline pushed back 2 years, as advisory-group meetings set

(WSB photo, last week – crane is for repairs from last year’s Cathlamet crash)

1:42 PM: Thanks for the tip! A reader noticed over the weekend that the website for the Fauntleroy ferry-dock/terminal replacement project had two major updates of interest to anyone watching the $100 million project:

First, almost a year after the last time Washington State Ferries convened the community advisory group for the project, a meeting is set for this fall: It’s not until October 25th, but you can sign up already for the link (which means you’ll get reminders). The signup link – as well as dates for October meetings of the project’s other two advisory groups – can be found on this page. For a refresher, Here’s our report from the group’s last meeting in September 2022, when WSF announced it had ruled out widening the dock when it’s rebuilt.

Second, the published timeline for the project also has been extended. Design/construction of the new terminal had long been projected for “the 2025-2027 biennium.” Now, that’s the time frame listed for formal environmental review, while design/construction isn’t expected before 2027-2029. We have followup questions out to WSF, including the reason for the delay, and we’ll update when we hear back.

4:02 PM: WSF spokesperson Hadley Rodero responded to our questions – first, what will the next round of advisory-group meetings address?

Since our last update, the WSF team has been working to develop detailed project alternatives and screening criteria, gather traffic data, and collaborate with partner agencies. The planning process is taking us longer than we anticipated when we last met with the CAG in September 2022, but we will have several updates to share this fall, including a review of the full set of project alternatives, draft screening criteria and updates on our planning process and project schedule.

We also asked why the timeline has been pushed back. Rodero’s reply:

As mentioned above, the planning process is taking longer than expected. Initially scheduled for completion in 2023, the PEL process will now be finished in 2025 and will include selection of a preferred alternative. The original project timeline came from the 2040 Long Range Plan that identified the 2025-2027 biennium as the start of project construction. Through the current planning process and alternatives development effort we’ve identified the 2027-2029 biennium as the estimated timeframe for completion of design and start of construction. This is reflected in current project funding. We are still fairly early in the process, however, so, depending on which alternative is selected, the project delivery method and permitting/approvals, the timeline could shift.

We also asked about a study discussed at the September 2022 meeting, regarding whether Good To Go passes might work at the new terminal. The timeline given then suggested the study should have been completed by now. It’s not, Rodero says; an in-progress update will be presented at the October meetings but the full study won’t be complete until early next year.

20 Replies to "FAUNTLEROY FERRY DOCK: Timeline pushed back 2 years, as advisory-group meetings set"

  • whataboutthecreedence August 21, 2023 (3:29 pm)

    $100mm seems wildly excessive to me, and holy timeline batman. It’s simply wild to me how long it takes to do ANYTHING in Seattle.

    • Brian August 21, 2023 (6:14 pm)

      This is a state project?

      • WSB August 21, 2023 (7:15 pm)

        I suspect your question is rhetorical but yes, it’s a state project.
        Washington STATE Ferries is part of the Washington STATE Department of Transportation. At some point city permits will be involved but right now, it’s wholly a state planning process. – TR

  • Steph August 21, 2023 (6:53 pm)

    Why spend this money on a new dock when the ferry system can’t run because of staffing shortages? Also, isn’t this just catering to the wealthy who have taken over Vashon?  Lots of better ways to spend our tax dollars.

    • Ferry August 21, 2023 (8:02 pm)

      1) Because staff shortages should be over in a couple years, whereas the new dock will hopefully last many decades. 2) No, household income is lower on Vashon ($94,123) and Kitsap ($84,600) than Seattle ($105,391). The ferry also serves many people who live in West Seattle, myself included.

    • my two cents August 22, 2023 (5:22 am)

      Steph – why should we fix the roads since more mass transit is coming and less cars will be driven? Since I live on Vashon can you tell me where I went wrong on my quest to become wealthy?

  • Kyle August 21, 2023 (8:03 pm)

    The chaos I’ve seen this summer at all sorts of hours with backups spilling way far up on Faunterloy Way. Cars parking in the ferry lane, ferry drivers trying to go around, all the U-turns, etc. For the sanity of all the new dock should be expanded to face the reality that the demand isn’t going away.

  • dhg August 22, 2023 (1:34 pm)

    Kyle:  I strongly disagree.  For the sanity of all, people should not buy housing across the Sound thinking they are going to commute to work every day in a car.  Expanding the ferry means more traffic in Faunteleroy which means fights over expanding the roads and increasing the speeds.   Fauntleroy is its own community, not just a pass-thru for commuters.

    • Ferry August 22, 2023 (2:05 pm)

      Your logic is backwards…a bigger ferry dock means that the line of cars will be moved off of Fauntleroy, and onto the dock. 

      • Lordy August 22, 2023 (2:28 pm)

        True old adage, conundrum in here, “if we build it, they will come.”, 
        Unfortunately for Fauntleroy,
        the ‘they’ already arrived.

    • Kyle August 22, 2023 (8:01 pm)

      I understand the fear, but the reality is no one will stop building housing on the other side of the sound. Plus we need it as a SFH in West Seattle costs insane amounts now. The dock can’t handle the demand today, and it’s not like development is going to shrink. Faunterloy should seize this opportunity to get the state to fund a bigger dock and take more traffic off of it’s streets. Otherwise I’m sure the chaos will continue to grow as ferry traffic will just continue to wait for the ferry farther and farther up into the neighborhood and the neighborhood will just have to deal with it. 

  • Dee August 22, 2023 (4:10 pm)

    I favor the smaller dock because I don’t want to encourage more bad behavior. However, remember that ferries also go to South Point, and so we are at service max in W Seattle. Perhaps an additional ferry sight is indicated? Dee

    • Ferry August 23, 2023 (5:58 am)

      Kyle hits the nail on the head above…the ferry has been there for 70 years and isn’t going away, and development across the water is not going to shrink. The good news for all is that a bigger dock will both make the ferry system more functional AND reduce the “bad behavior” that you’re worried about. If by bad behavior you mean the mess of cars along Fauntleroy. I think the interests of the three communities served by the ferry (Vashon/Kitsap/West Seattle) are more aligned with the interests of the Fauntleroy community than some might realize. A bigger dock will help everyone.

  • Joyce August 23, 2023 (10:33 am)

    Until the WSF System gets control of the mess that the ferries are in right now it won’t matter what happens with the dock.  With so many runs being canceled or delayed the people will continue to see the long lines .  The system just keeps raising prices and giving less service.  Not everyone on Vashon is wealthy.   

    • WestSeattleBadTakes August 23, 2023 (11:07 am)

      It should absolutely be expensive to shuttle cars over water.

    • James August 23, 2023 (11:15 am)

      The dock very much matters. It matters more than the delays.  Without it, there’s no ferry. 

  • Bob August 23, 2023 (1:59 pm)

    Is Fauntleroy truly the best place for the dock? Has the decision been made this is the only alternative? It seems as though moving the dock closer to downtown Seattle would make much more sense environmentally and solve many other safety issues a “larger dock” simply won’t resolve.

    • miws August 24, 2023 (6:25 am)

      Bob, moving the dock (or the service altogether) has been rehashed and rehashed over and over again for decades. (And don’t even mention a bridge across the Sound 😉) —Mike

    • Jon Wright August 24, 2023 (9:27 am)

      Look at a map and you’ll answer your question.

  • K August 23, 2023 (2:27 pm)

    Why is parking allowed at anytime in the ferry lane at all? Seems like the whole curb lane along Lincoln Park to the dock on the west side of the street should be No Parking Anytime–EVER. It’s underutilized for parking even when it’s crowded in the area, but the few cars that park there before 2pm can really mess up Fauntleroy. Perhaps a camera that tickets drivers who take the oncoming lane, or cut in line, can also be helpful (I know, lots of bureaucracy on that one). Wondering what easy fixes that could be made in the short term as this area could use some relief now.

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