Reader report: Lincoln Park neighbor’s warning for you

Last week, in comments following a West Seattle Crime Watch report about car-prowls at local parks, the discussion turned to suspicious activity in and around the north end of Lincoln Park..

Today, Lila e-mailed us this detailed account of recent incidents, wanting to warn others:

Me and my family live right next to Lincoln park…a few days ago a woman walked through with her dogs while we and the neighbors were all playing outside, she informed us about calling the cops on a man who made her very nervous – she saw him scoping out cars/homes to rob. About five minutes later he walked through our side entrance in the park and right by us, he got uncomfortably close to my friend/neighbors son and said something along the lines of, “what’s up little man” everything about his mannerisms were extremely uncomfortable (and extremely inappropriate to approach a child like that-it was simply uncomfortable) and felt by all of us, he walked on and that was that.

The next day my baby and I went on a walk in the rain, it was clear right when we entered the trail that we were the only ones in the park…as we walked for a minute the same man jumped out from the side shrubbery on the North end of the park sort of near the picnic table (like he was waiting for someone to leap out at) where all the homeless people hang out and drink. He was alone and jumped out right in front of us and turned around looking under the hood of my stroller at my son then looked at me up and down licking his lips and whipping a dirty cloth against his leg, he slowed down so much he had it so we couldn’t get passed him and he walked backwards as he continued to check us out, like we were his lunch.

It takes a lot to make me uncomfortable, I have bartended for many years and I have seen men at their worst. But this? This was something different, something dark and terrifying. I know this park like the back of my hand so I knew there was a side trail coming up, and as soon as he looked away to watch where he was going I made it to that opening and headed straight to the street, where he followed us the whole way looking pissed and mumbling. I took a moment to call 911 because I had that unfortunate thought of, ‘this is just what men do. You’re safe, it’s fine’ But what about the next woman? Or child? And that thought, that shook me to my core, so we called. The operator was impatient and kind of over it, as seems to be the theme to emergency operators; two police SUV’s and one trooper entered the park and that was that. I let my neighbors know, shook it off and got on with our day.

This morning at 4-5 am my husband woke up to do his exercise routine and heard a woman screaming on the top of her lungs for help in the park, he called the cops immediately, a bit later he heard a man erratically screaming. We still don’t know what happened. However, my husband and I want to make certain that everyone knows what is happening. I don’t know if the two incidents are related, but I do know that West Seattle isn’t the same place we moved into. And specifically at the North end of Lincoln Park, as well as the parking lots, thing have been getting extremely sketchy and dangerous and there have been uncountable car and home burglaries.

I have seen coyotes walk in and out of the park, I have been almost decapitated by a hawk catching a fish on my paddle board down there, I have seen unleashed erratic dogs with no owner in sight … none of this has scared me. You know what scares me? Our own species.

First: We suggested to Lila that she (or someone from her household/neighborhood) bring this up at tonight’s West Seattle Crime Prevention Council meeting, when precinct leadership is in attendance and there’s a specific time for voicing questions/concerns. (7 pm, Southwest Precinct, 2300 SW Webster)

Second, calling 911 IS the right thing to do if you see illegal activity happening in a park – that’s reiterated here. The “alcohol & drugs” section of that page begins: “Use of alcohol, cannabis, and illegal drugs is prohibited in our parks.” The “code of conduct” section specifically refers to threatening and harassing behavior and reiterates, “If you see illegal or threatening activity in a park or facility, call 911.” The more someplace is reported as a trouble spot, police say, the more likely it is that patrol resources – not just reactive responses – will be assigned.

90 Replies to "Reader report: Lincoln Park neighbor's warning for you"

  • I❤️WS June 20, 2017 (2:29 pm)

    Lila-That had to be a terrifying experience for you. Good for you for keeping your wits about you, not freaking out and getting the hell away from him. I no longer live in the area but used to walk Lincoln Park a lot. I have a large dog (always leashed!!) but if we were still walking in the park I would carry some sort of self defense tool such as mace or this cool taser I saw that has a  pin in it that disables it if the pin, which is attached to a wrist tether, is pulled. That way if someone grabs it, they can’t use it on you!  It’s made by Damsel in Defense. I am in no way affiliated with them, just think it is an excellent product. 

    Stay safe!!

  • T Rex June 20, 2017 (2:33 pm)

    Good Lord, I am so glad you are safe. And so sorry this happened. I certainly hope you carry pepper spray to protect yourself and your child.  But I am not judging you if you don’t! Just making a statement.

    I have heard the park is becoming somewhat unsafe, sounds like it is getting worse.

    Be safe everyone! 

  • Dr. Bob June 20, 2017 (2:38 pm)

    The bus stop NB Fauntleroy across from the 76 station seems to be parking lot for shopping carts. They haven’t appeared to be from Thriftway (the closest source I’m aware of)

    This stop,  which I use daily,  seems to have become a dumping ground for all sorts of junk.

    And then there is the constant flow of sketch characters. This has been a nice neighborhood, but it seems that since the advocacy for “homeless” living in the parks,  the neighorhood is growing increasingly troubling.

    The solution is responsibility. But there is a lack of taking responsibility by many, and a lack of requiring responsibility by most others. 

    New problems,  same as the old problems. It’s an element of the ongoing human experience / experiment.

    Dr. Bob

  • Chuck June 20, 2017 (3:02 pm)

    Absolutely terrifying. I think Lila showed incredible restraint that this creep did not deserve. I took a handgun training class once, and (part of) the instructor’s message regarding non-lethal forms of protection went something like this: if you carry pepper spray and are downtown frequently, you should be firing off that canister at least once a month.

    That’s obviously an extreme and a very calloused view on life, but he makes a good point. We, as good citizens always looking for the best in others, give WAY too much leeway into our personal space. Who knows what this creep’s motives were?

    Lincoln Park has been infiltrated by bums who arrive late and leave early to avoid being rousted, but they are there and the cops need to put an end to it. Now. The only reason they get away with it is that they’re not putting up tents from what I can tell. I hope attention to this atrocious event helps get this dangerous element out of the park. In the meantime, if someone gets in your space–your FACE!!–you have every right to hit the trigger on that little can of pepper spray and have at it. You did not invite that person into you space and owe them no warning. When the feeling of being threatened is present, that’s all you need. Better safe than sorry. The cops can’t always be there in the instant you need them. It’s time to take our park back!

    • ImNotSpartacus June 21, 2017 (9:05 am)

      I’m downtown every single day, on Third and Pike and in other similarly busy areas, and I have yet to use my pepper spray (and I’m female, in case it matters). I won’t stop carrying it, but I think just keeping out of harm’s way is not all that hard. I think some people tend to freak out a bit when crazy people, people who look or act differently, or people from other cultures approach them. Just back off, give them room, leave them alone. Don’t make eye contact. Be smart. Keep walking. But DO keep that pepper spray on hand.

  • Nick June 20, 2017 (3:18 pm)

    Can you update this post with a description of the man who harassed you?  

  • West Seattle Mama June 20, 2017 (3:20 pm)

    Is there a description of this creep? Sounds like you got a good look at him, Lila. Can you give a detailed description so we can keep an eye out?

  • Je June 20, 2017 (3:33 pm)

    Agree with Chuck. No need to be polite 

  • Enid June 20, 2017 (3:48 pm)

    This is horrible.  I’ve noticed junk RV’s down at that end, too.

    Pepper spray is the least that this creep has coming to him.

    • WSobserver June 20, 2017 (4:07 pm)

      That RV has been around here for years. Whoever  it is, they don’t make trouble, keep to themselves, and never leave trash around. I have no complaint with them.

      But there are certainly some sketchy people living at the north end of the park these days, I’ve seen them too. And because they’ve taken over that north picnic table nobody else can use it, they’re always there. Funny thing is, the park ranger’s house is right next to it.

  • Swede. June 20, 2017 (3:53 pm)

    Pepper spray or mace isn’t a very good idea if you have a child in a stroller. The afformentioned stungun/Tazer would been a better idea for this lady I would say. 

    This person seams to have some serious mental issues and/or is just looking for trouble. Since the police is aware we can only hope they get some results. 

    • Chuck June 20, 2017 (4:45 pm)

      While I don’t disagree that a stungun/Tazer may be BETTER, the point is to do whatever it takes to keep the creep away from yourself and your children and get out alive. Including the use of deadly force should the situation escalate. Without apology and without hesitation. Yeah, it’s gotten to this point.

      Short of that, VOICE CONTROL is a very effective tool. Don’t be afraid to SHOUT your way to safety! Telling someone in no uncertain terms to back off can work wonders. These type of people are cowards.  I am just so happy this turned out the way it did. This jerk is going to hurt someone if not stopped, I feel.

      • jp June 21, 2017 (9:15 am)

        Maybe it’s just me, but encouraging people to use “deadly force” in a city park seems a little misguided/extreme? This is the kind of rhetoric that’s going to get someone seriously hurt or killed, and not necessarily the “bad guy.”

        Running and yelling is the safest choice, not opening fire with intent to kill…. 

  • SWinWS June 20, 2017 (3:58 pm)

    Thank you, thank you for getting the word out.  My son and I frequent the interior of the park in the middle of the week day and I think the most pragmatic lesson here is being aware of your surroundings; and the best weapon we have as a community, is to look out for each other.  There was someone scoping out our neighborhood Shorewood/Arbor Heights last week (broke into our neighbors car), I wonder!?  WSB (Tracy) should I post a photo?  I am sorry, Lila that you went through the trauma and I know, because you are a mother it is more terrifying but, you are a smart mom and glad you used your instincts.  

    • WSB June 20, 2017 (4:03 pm)

      Anyone with an image of someone committing a crime – package theft, car prowl, whatever – we do publish such things in Crime Watch, but make sure they are part of your police report first.

      And again, for anyone who didn’t read to the end – and I told this to Lila via e-mail during our exchange – if you have concerns about a park, a neighborhood, WHATEVER, please consider bringing them to the Crime Prevention Council meeting tonight. It’s a fairly casual setting, the precinct commander (Capt. Pierre Davis) and #2 (Lt. Ron Smith) are usually there, as are often others such as at least one Community Police Team officer (this is the kind of situation that might fall under their jurisdiction, outside of actual incidents). Generally not a large crowd and it’s a really good opportunity to get something onto their radar if it’s not already. – TR

  • PE June 20, 2017 (4:14 pm)

    Lincoln Park problems day and night again. Anyone else noticing a pattern? Rhetorical. Also, isn’t the park closed from 11:30 pm – 4:00 am? I know homeless people live there 24/7. That’s on the current administration and maybe police for not enforcing laws around camping and trespassing after hours. I haven’t been there in years mainly due to off leash dogs which has been a problem for decades.

    • WSB June 20, 2017 (5:16 pm)

      If you haven’t been there in years, how do you “know” people live in the park?

      If anyone is seeing people actually camping there, **report it**. It’s not allowed there, whether camping as a residence or camping as recreation. This page, for example, while tailored toward park volunteers, has applicable information on how to report:

      Also, as mentioned here many times, Community Police Team Officer Todd Wiebke is the precinct’s point person on homelessness-related issues, and you can tell him via e-mail at


      • flimflam June 20, 2017 (5:20 pm)

        seriously, camping isn’t allowed in all sorts of places yet the city turns a blind eye and doesn’t have the stomach to enforce simple laws.

      • Jack June 21, 2017 (6:51 am)

        I’ve contacted everyone police/parks/community officer. All they do is call you back then NOTHING happens.

        We need new politicians running our city.

  • wscommuter June 20, 2017 (4:52 pm)

    Adding this: in Washington, “assault” is defined, by criminal statute, as including being in “reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm.”   A stranger jumping out of the bushes, acting inappropriately and blocking the way of a person pushing a stroller absolutely meets that definition – call 911 and report that kind of behavior.   There is absolutely no reason to wait until something worse happens for this behavior to be criminal.  It already is. 

  • Al June 20, 2017 (4:57 pm)

    Lila and others. Act like your texting some one and grab a photo.  Prepper spray can end up in your eyes. Take a class on how to use that. Let some one know your going for a  walk. Icarry a steel flash light shined in there eyes gives you the upper hand and can be used as a weapon. I teach self defense to women. I’ve bumped into these folks.  There not well. Best now

  • Seattlite June 20, 2017 (4:58 pm)

    Dear Seattle Mayor and SPD….West Seattle wants Lincoln Park to be a family park, not a hang out for dubious, rough men.  I already posted on another article about the creepy guys sitting at the picnic table at NW corner of Lincoln Park next to the maintenance sheds/offices.  The scariest time for me was when two young, rough looking guys were leaning against the fence on the trail adjacent to the picnic table where the creeps hang out.  These two guys would not move so I had to step into the brush area to get around them.  I don’t like what is going on in Lincoln Park.  West Seattle needs demand that the city clean it up.  The are several playgrounds for kids in Lincoln Park which should put SPD on alert to prioritize the park as a safety hazard due to the creepy men. 

  • flimflam June 20, 2017 (5:18 pm)

    more insanity in our parks. great.

     this is beyond tiresome – there are many, many big cities in this country that do not have the homeless problem we do because they don’t tolerate anti-social lifestyles and behaviors. this city doesn’t have the stomach to see the mess for what it is – no matter how much the advocates wish it so, there is a large % of the “campers” that have no business being on the streets.

     enforce the laws equally – rich, poor, homeowner, tent dweller.  

  • Mary June 20, 2017 (5:26 pm)

    WOW. Lila – I’m sorry this happened. Thanks for being aware and smart, and reporting to 911, and alerting your community via WSB. 

  • Rich Koehler June 20, 2017 (5:49 pm)

    Send a message on Election Day.  Two of the incumbents are leaving, but we can start by throwing out the Council. 

  • justme June 20, 2017 (5:50 pm)

    The inside of my own home becomes more and more of a sanctuary for me. Not that I let this sort of thing force me to become a recluse. But in perspective, these kinds of awful stories can make one appreciate simple safe moments at home, as boring as they may seem. Thank goodness you and your child are safe. Ugh. I think something like that would steer me away from ever going there again. But we’re not suppose to let it do that to us, right? I don’t know. The older I get, the less admiration I have for the human race. Well written Lila.

    • MK June 21, 2017 (10:57 am)

      I feel this way too…except that lots of people are having their homes cased and broken into as well.

  • MellyMel June 20, 2017 (5:54 pm)

    “West Seattle isn’t the same place we moved into.”

    I know that no one cares about a random comment piling on, but I agree with this. Indeed, Seattle is not the same place I moved to 20 years ago.

    That is to be expected — change is the only constant. But for me, I feel like my cheese has moved. I am trying to figure out where the next phase of my life will be where my feeling of security is dropping yearly.

  • M June 20, 2017 (6:17 pm)

    I’m sick of it as well. They have also started a trash collection that they cover with a tarp in the bushes next to that north bench. 

    I did have one idea. Can’t we as a community each pitch in a couple dollars to “Reserve” that specific bench one day and force the Parks Department to finally force them out of there? 

  • J June 20, 2017 (7:12 pm)

    Well there goes my plans to make Lincoln Park my new jogging/running area.    I have noticed in the last few years……. not much of a police presence in the  Fauntleroy neighborhood and a definite increase in sketchy characters.

  • BG June 20, 2017 (7:13 pm)

    I used to spend a lot of time at Lincoln Park with my kids when they were young. It was such a wonderful place. It is still nice, and I ride my bike there often, but it sure has changed for the worse.

    You can thank your Mayor and City Council for the change. Let Lisa Herbold know how you feel about what has happened to Lincoln Park.

    It’s hard to believe that the City Council actually considered allowing homeless camping in parks. Can you imagine every single picnic table in Lincoln Park occupied all day, every day, with that type of crowd?

  • Je June 20, 2017 (7:14 pm)

    M can’t we just report it to the parks Dept? I find it weird that they have money to do all that mowing and edging and would ignore a problem like this if they knew about it? 

  • Roger June 20, 2017 (7:23 pm)

    Thanks Ed Murray…

    for neutering the police and emboldening these creeps…

    if you had done your job, the city and police would be able to clear these menacing people out pretty quickly…

  • ImmaMom June 20, 2017 (7:49 pm)

    pay attention politicians: we want to see action on homelessness.  Now. 

  • Je June 20, 2017 (7:50 pm)

    Just sent Lisa Herbold an email … please others ask these questions… unfortunately it’s the squeaky wheel in action around here 

    • WSB June 20, 2017 (8:09 pm)

      There are opportunities to be squeaky wheels in person. I’m covering the Crime Prevention Council and nobody brought up Lincoln Park. Lisa Herbold, meantime, has in-person office hours this Friday afternoon in South Park – it’s in our calendar and on her website (

  • Mike June 20, 2017 (8:31 pm)

    My wife recently took our daughters to the new playground at Lincoln Park and told me about the number of transients wandering around and lingering near the children play areas and lighting fires in BBQs (with no food).  Time for the city council to step up to the plate and do their job.  Let SPD do theirs, patrol more, hire more officers.

  • SeaSick June 20, 2017 (8:35 pm)

    It’s really important that we take a stand as a community and call our leaders to actions and hold them accountable. The problem at the north end of Lincoln Park has been building up for months. In February, I was running and as I came south on the pool where the path divides into two, a homeless man who was muttering to himself pulled out a switchblade from his back pocket and continued to open and close it while he walked the path talking to himself. The guy pulled a bike out of the bushes, with the knife in his hand,  took off south down the path. People who saw him kept their distance but as far as I could tell no one called 911 because like me, we are all too familiar with the attitude from cops whose hands are tied unless  real crime is committed.   Please take 5 minutes and write to Herbold and ask her to prioritize this issue and show some real leadership and address it. When a serious crime happens here, and unfortunately at this rate, it’s not a matter of if but when, our emails will be proof that this issue was called to her attention.  Thinking about how she wanted to open the parks to camping still makes me feel sick for her utter disregard for the sanctity of our green spaces and the role they play to maintain a quality of life in a city that seems to be falling apart at the seams. 

  • Gene June 20, 2017 (9:30 pm)

    Throughout this thread- WSB has been emploring the commenters to go to the Crime Prevention meeting tonight- yet as of 8:09 Lincoln Park has not been mentioned. Guess it really isn’t enough of a priority to any of the commenters to attend. All anyone wants to do is email Lisa Herbold- no one motivated enough to go to where their voice will actually be heard. 

    • WSB June 20, 2017 (9:43 pm)

      And no one ever did bring it up. There was plenty of time to discuss. I asked Operations Lt. Ron Smith about Lincoln Park afterward; he said that since Alki has quieted down – if you’ve read our recent community meeting coverage, that includes some emphasis work at Don Armeni, where some of the regular beach trouble starts – they’ll be in Lincoln Park to patrol when they can. Anyway, as noted in the story above, harassment, threats, drinking/drugging in parks are all illegal, and even “interfering with enjoyment” is against the Parks Code of Conduct, so if/when it happens, call 911. Not the non-emergency number. 911.

      P.S. While that’s the last Crime Prevention Council meeting until September – the potential Alki/Admiral community meeting to discuss crime/safety issues could become something larger, so stay tuned for more on that. No date at this point, but it’s being discussed as sooner rather than later. And Councilmember Herbold is assisting in organizing/sponsoring it. – TR

    • Jon Wright June 20, 2017 (10:05 pm)

      Slacktivism in action.

    • Morgan June 20, 2017 (11:59 pm)

      BTW, I believe email and digital communication should be acceptable and not “lesser than” means of expression of views on local issues. Some people work, some people are single parents…the demand that only comments delivered in person at weekday evening meetings are valid I feel is an unfair, arbitrary hurdle . #2017. #internet. 

      • ImNotSpartacus June 21, 2017 (9:26 am)

        YES to all of this. Thank you. Just because I don’t have time to go to the meeting doesn’t mean my opinion is less important.

        • Jon Wright June 21, 2017 (10:33 pm)

          No, your opinion is not less important. But your opinion is more likely to be acted upon if you show up and make yourself seen and heard. 

  • PW June 20, 2017 (9:47 pm)

    Simply a lack of politicians having the education a leadership to address these issues,  Mayor Ed and Lisa do not care about Lincoln Park or our community.  We need to make a clear voice it is unacceptable to be afraid to walk your child or  a dog  in our neighborhood  park. Shame on you Mayor Ed for failing any type of leadership and blaming everyone.  Please let the City know, the Police and Parks Dept. of the issue so they can get the support they need. Otherwise  Lincoln Park becomes what Under the West Seattle Bridge Looks like. We all need to be a voice for our neighborhood or it will keep going away . Cannot believe the horrid mess we have been left with from Mayor Ed.  It is a tragic beginning to the end of our safe wonderful neighborhood. SOS 

  • Julia June 20, 2017 (9:56 pm)

    I don’t go in the park at night, but I “know” people are camping there because I see them wheeling their grocery carts full of stuff up the paths at dusk. I’ve seen them unload all their belongings off the bus at the north end of the park. Where else could they be going?

  • Jissy June 20, 2017 (10:31 pm)

    Thank you Lila for the alert — we are just getting ready to start afternoon swim lessons this summer at Colman pool (I have 2 kids, 7 & 9 and we ride our bikes into the park and lock them up) — I will be more vigilant to observe my surroundings knowing this is definitely NOT the Lincoln Park my mom used to walk me through for swim lessons 35+ years ago.  I too live very near the park and regularly observe homeless people back and forth to the 76 and at the Porta-Potty at the tennis courts and even seen someone pushing a shopping cart up my block in the middle of the night from the park.  

    Cannot agree more with the comments about the Mayor and City Council-sickening.  

  • Morgan June 20, 2017 (11:51 pm)

    Can’t think of a more important municipal service than keeping safe public spaces and parks…former New Yorker who saw the improvement in crime and renewed enjoyment of public spaces when a broken window’s approach was taken to policing. There’s an effective playbook for it….this conflation in public discourse out here on the West Coast of issues of the unhoused and building more affordable housing with tolerance for menace and lawlessness (camping) in public areas solves no  social ills and is deeply frustrating. Both Invest in services and the enforce rules. Good civic management, don’t overthink or politicize the matter. Please, if our govt reads this blog. Thank you.

  • Anonymous June 21, 2017 (2:46 am)

    So sorry you had this awful experience, thank you for sharing. From here on out I’ll carry a baseball bat in the park. No one should bother peoples kids and get away with it. Police can only be so many places at once. I’d love to see more community events, at the park. ‘Maybe with more crowds it’d be safer to confront those camping out in the parks that shouldn’t be there.

  • Double Dub Resident June 21, 2017 (6:22 am)

    Well Gene died you go and bring it up? 

  • M June 21, 2017 (6:23 am)

    I completely agree with Morgan. Shamming those of us that are unable to attend evening crime prevention meetings or go to Lisa Herbults office hour is not helpful. Many of us simply are not able to attend those meetings and it doesn’t mean that we don’t care or deserve to have our community parks be safe. If Lisa Herbalt was doing her job 1) she’d prioritize her constituents safety as part of her political agenda 2) She’d be actively reading these WSB blog comments since it is the #1 place out community goes for news and discussion. 3) We have already completely lost faith that bringing these items to her attention will actual create any positive results. She cares much more about the rights of the drunks/addicts and compassion toward them then us hard working families. If there should be any shamming on this forum it should be directly entirely to her. 

    • Jon Wright June 21, 2017 (10:17 am)

      I hate to break it to you but writing comments on the interwebs isn’t how you effect change in the world.

      • Rico June 21, 2017 (10:44 am)

         Change is not the issue, tax paying folks simply want the police to do a decent job and deal with the quality of life issue occasionally.  I guess if you are OK with current enforcement status quo then this is an issue of change.  One should not have to attend meeting to get cops to do their job. 

      • MK June 21, 2017 (11:04 am)

        I just emailed Lisa H. this entire thread. Problem solved.

  • anonyme June 21, 2017 (6:32 am)

    Agree with Morgan on all counts.

  • Double Dub Resident June 21, 2017 (6:39 am)

    Did, not died 

  • Jack June 21, 2017 (6:44 am)

    Last year I tried to get the parks department and the police to do something about a camp site in the park.  They wouldn’t do anything about it. Nothing! I was asked where the campsite was, but since it didn’t have an address and that seemed to stop the process. This was multiple attempts over the course of 3 week. I even volunteered to meet police/parks so I could show them where.

    I for one am voting for whoever has a plan to get these homeless campers out of our city.  Our city leaders seem to care more about the homeless than they do our own citizens.

  • Huck June 21, 2017 (6:53 am)

    Yep, let these punks take over the parks. What a great idea! To heck with the tax payers!

  • Mike Mahanay June 21, 2017 (7:13 am)

    I am so sorry that West Seattle, (and the rest of the City) has to endure this. Our Mayor and City Council (yes- all of them) simply don’t care. Lisa H. has said that it basic livability is NOT a priority of the City. Thugs, vandals, graffiti, break ins, trash, …. the list goes on and on and our leaders don’t care while they are focused on up scaling and who knows what. Shameful!

  • Pedro June 21, 2017 (7:15 am)

     Lisa Herbold has helped bring about some great things for the city (e.g., paid sick leave); that said, she has completely failed in some areas and by all accounts has recently been co-opted by special interest groups.

     Lisa, if you are reading – we care more about public safety for all than we do about being sensitive to a bunch of bums in the park.

    We are smart enough to know that there are a plethora of resources available to the homeless who want help and are willing to follow the rules. These are the homeless you don’t see on the corner day after day, week after week, year after year; they are the individuals and families doing it right, even in a tough situation.

    Conversely, spending our precious resources on those who won’t accept the available help is a waste of taxpayer dollars and efforts. Yes, there is a subset of that population that is mentally ill and needs special help – so let’s provide it. We don’t let other forms of sick individuals die out on the streets.

    But for the most part, what we have here is a complete and utter failure to hold people accountable for their actions. The “all carrot, no stick” approach doesn’t work with the homeless population that won’t follow the rules. And guess what, if you don’t follow the rules, you should be asked to leave, not pandered to. Its called taking an adult approach and realizing yes, life can be hard and yes, people should bear the consequences of their choices and actions.

     Please start placing the interests of everyday, hard working citizens above those who do nothing but drain our resources and trash our city (both figurative and literally).





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  • Neighbor June 21, 2017 (7:24 am)

    Thank you so much for yelling this from the mountain so to speak! This is a very scary situation! 

    I have ave to say I’m kinda shocked at the dismissal of Herbold. Anytime I have called her office with a problem as a constituent her office has been on it and has either started the ball rolling or have gotten the situation solved completely. 

    After over two months of getting absolutely nowhere with SDOT regarding the Admiral hill median getting weeded so that we could see while crossing I called her office. Multiple neighbors had filled out multiple requests with the city, one even reported an accident caused by the weed height and still SDOT ignored the issue. After calling Herbold’s office it was done within three days. Three days folks! This is why we voted for local representatives! They actually get our local issues and handle them! I’ve never had this kinda representative ever! I’ve never been so impressed! Our entire neighborhood is grateful and impressed. Herbold handled it like a boss. I’ll yell Herbold’s praises from my hill any day!

  • Bonnie June 21, 2017 (7:53 am)

    Now mind you, this was awhile ago but same place and same sketchy group of people, but last fall I was at the park with my husband and there was a man yelling out F@@K YOU to everybody.  Screaming it at the top of his lungs.  At kids, at adults.  Everybody.  Then he left the park, crossed the street to the bus stop by over by the tennis courts and got on the C line, all the while screaming at people.

    btw-there is also a group of drunk homeless people who were there last year who never seemed to cause problems, just took over all the tables.  This guy wasn’t with that group.  I’m in the park a lot, 

    editing to add that in the above instance I did not call the police but I will from now on every time I see something fishy in the park.

  • KM June 21, 2017 (7:54 am)

    I have found her to be responsive to my communication as well, even when I wasn’t expecting a response. I disagree with her on many issues and didn’t vote for her, but respect the way she handled her communication wirh me.

  • Pedro June 21, 2017 (7:59 am)

    NEIGHBOR – helping facilitate the weeding of a median that no one in the world would object to (even if it had been ignored by others) is a far cry from addressing the real needs of the city.

    Herbold may be great at the window dressing, but she is a complete failure on major issues – and in particular homelessness-related matters. I for one won’t be singing Herbold’s praises for tackling something relatively inconsequential, while she continually lets the city get trashed, and in many instances enables that trashing.

  • Jen June 21, 2017 (8:02 am)

     I have loved and spent much time in Lincoln Park after moving to WS nine years ago.  I have seen the level of unsavory characters increase exponentially over the past year.  And, it saddens me.  I recently walked through the Boston Commons and Boston Public Gardens, and saw loads of people enjoying the lush public areas; families enjoying the playground with their children, couples picnicking, individuals kicking back reading a book….overall a very relaxed vibe, and no site of homeless or drunk people.  And, I thought, how nice it would be for Lincoln Park to have that vibe – it could have that vibe! 

    Lila’s observations only enforces that gut feeling I have had during my last several visits to Lincoln Park (with my kids 2 and 5).  I am no longer going there without my husband or a friend.  I have been approached by the NW corner vagabonds who tried to assist my daughter riding the zipline, and who infringed on our playtime by climbing the same structures my kids were playing on.  My experience was significantly less unsettling than Lila’s, but unsettling nonetheless (and I did report it).

     And, what else comes to mind is that recent murder off of the Myer’s Way unlawful encampment.  I don’t even know where to begin with this problem…..makes me so sad as Lincoln Park is a gem.  And sad that homelessness and mental illness is such a huge, poorly addressed problem in our city.

  • Just Wondering June 21, 2017 (8:30 am)

    Did I miss a description of the man who approached Lila and her child? 

  • Mary June 21, 2017 (8:47 am)

    I emailed this article to both and this morning. Please contact them with your concerns and request action to ensure a safe park and community for all.

    • Chuck June 21, 2017 (4:47 pm)

      Done. And I have to admit, I wasn’t particularly polite, either. I really hope Lisa can take a leadership role on this, supporting the police to do their job and (for starters) initiate nighttime patrols of the park to move these trespassers along. Enough is enough! I want to hear from Lisa her plan to keep park-goers safe, while keeping our beloved park as pristine as possible. Law breakers of any sort have no place in Lincoln Park. Get the vagrants out of there!!!

  • Rick in the Park June 21, 2017 (8:55 am)

    Tents? There are tents in Lincoln Park from one end to the other. There is a tent and camp sat the very North West corner of the park overlooking the bluff. They pitch them in the gardens and on the side trails,light camp fires and throw their garbage everywhere they are standing. I have been picking up after these “people” for years, while informing the parks personnel where the latest encampments are set up, On the hillsides too. Don’t tellME we don’t have a problem in the park!

    • Chuck June 21, 2017 (4:01 pm)

      Rick, thank you for your vigilance. I am rarely there late or early enough to see tents. I’ve never seen any of them up during the day. I was tipped off, though, when I saw a man at the Thriftway early one morn about a month ago who was obviously moving his backpack and gear for the day. He’d just pulled up camp from somewhere, and I intuitively sensed it was Lincoln Park. He was also well into his first oversized beer for the morning. Super…

  • MK June 21, 2017 (10:52 am)

    I would agree that West Seattle does not feel like the place we moved to three years ago. There was always petty crime and always will be but the violence and extreme events feel like they are escalating (regardless of what police reports may or may not say). Your comment “I had that unfortunate thought of, ‘this is just what men do.” is absolutely 100% true. This is the world we live in. As women, we are so used to this behavior that sometimes we intellectually try to dismiss it but you were right to go with your gut. So not ok. I’m sorry you feel unsafe so close to and in your home. With the drug dealing, sketchy cars, neighbors who have had guns pulled on them, and B&E’s, I do too.

  • WSB June 21, 2017 (11:37 am)

    Upthread, “Anonymous” suggested more community events in the park. This Saturday, the wading pool opens, and it is one of the few in the city that is open 7 days a week during the season (which runs until Labor Day), so there will be a big ongoing community event in that area daily (unless the weather’s bad).  – TR

  • Gatewood June 21, 2017 (11:47 am)

    Description:  Lighter skinned black man, 5’10ish, perhaps late 30’s, scruffy thin facial hair, average build. Last week he was wearing darker pants and sweatshirt with hood pulled up.

    I am the woman with the dogs that informed the neighbors last week that I just witnessed the guy casing two different apartment parking lots in their neighborhood, and called the police.

  • Mary June 21, 2017 (11:55 am)

    Officer Todd just called me back and left a nice message saying they are aware of the tent problem in Lincoln Park, and have had officers there starting to deal with it. He suggested contacting the Navigation Team at 684-CITY and using the “find it, fix it” app. Thanks to all my West Seattle neighbors for being vocal and diligent about reporting such unacceptable issues. And of course do call 911 if you see suspicious activity or a potential crime in progress. Let’s keep taking care of each other!

    • Chuck June 22, 2017 (11:26 am)

      Thanks for this update, Mary. This gives me hope. The old adage about the squeaky wheel is alive and well. 

      I should add that I got a response to my letter directed to Lisa Herbold. The person on her staff in charge of homeless issues gave me a somewhat blanket response, but did forward my concerns on to the director of homelessness, George Scarola.

      I think it is only through diligent pressure on our elected officials and an insistence that LAWS IN PLACE be followed, that we will see an improvement in the park. 

      Personally, I put the most stock in Officer Todd. He’s always been a standup with any dealings I’ve had. Thank you, Officer!

      • WSB June 22, 2017 (11:30 am)

        We just came back from covering two West Seattle events at which CM Herbold was involved – first story momentarily – and I asked her about Lincoln Park. She said that for starters, she’s replied to everyone who’s contacted her about the camping issue with info on how to get it addressed. The public-safety issue is still a work in progress – TR

  • West Seattle Hipster June 21, 2017 (12:00 pm)

    Not “all men” behave like that.  Generalizations are misleading.

    • MK June 21, 2017 (2:36 pm)

      It’s not that all men do it. It’s that enough men do it on a daily basis that there is a de-sensitization to it to the point she momentarily questioned if the behavior was actually bad or just “normal” when I think we’d all agree it was abhorrent. Major difference.

  • Neighbor June 21, 2017 (12:34 pm)

    @Pedro-thanks for belittling what is actually a life threatening situation for myself and my entire neighborhood…

    The point is that Herbold was very reactive to a very local issue which is why we all voted to make our council representatives local. Have you personally called and voiced your concern with ANYTHING? 

    Get back to to me when you’ve done that and share the results…

  • Yourtime June 21, 2017 (2:37 pm)

    Yes, the people that go to the meetings don’t have time to go to the meetings, either.

  • M June 21, 2017 (3:38 pm)

    Here here

  • Julia June 21, 2017 (4:34 pm)

    If pursuing this through standard channels (and allowing time for something to be done), I can visualize neighbors picketing and getting media attention. Just a thought.

  • Brenda June 21, 2017 (9:42 pm)

    She is not great at window dressing – unless you consider sheets for curtains great?

  • Double Dub Resident June 22, 2017 (5:44 am)

    Really? Enough men do it that it makes that behavior normal? Really, do we actually live in  some 80’s women’s leg shaving cream commercial where men are the stereo typed tacky construction worker who makes cave men sounds, and whistles? I really think that’s a small minority of A holes who do that

    • newnative June 22, 2017 (1:10 pm)

      Uhh, yes. Enough do it to make it normal. 

  • Jason June 22, 2017 (11:59 am)

    I remember a situation like this a decade or so ago in Cowen park near Ravenna.  Apparently, the word got out that it was a nice place for urban camping and folks started showing up.  The neighbors didn’t take kindly to the campers in the park and started organizing nightly neighbor walks to inform and roust out the miscreants.  They had group of 25-30 people acting together which created a show of force that got the point across quickly and also provided safety in numbers for those involved.  I believe they also came with cell phones to call activity in directly and trash bags to remove refuse on the spot.  The city got involved quickly and the bums got the point.

    Fauntleroy and Lincoln Park have enough neighbors who love the park that could organize these types of walks.  If they do it, some quick calls to the WSB and other news media would likely spur action by the authorities. 

    It does suck that our city government sucks but we elected these jokers and we can elect them out too.   

    • Endolyne Tori June 23, 2017 (4:54 pm)

      This is exactly what I was thinking. Take Back the Park!

  • M June 22, 2017 (6:02 pm)

    Sign me up 

  • Double Dub Resident June 22, 2017 (7:41 pm)

    Yeah right. So what percentage would you say. I’d say a very very small minority of men would act as this guy did. Which would make it more an anomaly than the “norm” 

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