As-it-happened coverage: School Board’s capacity-management work session

6:03 PM: We’re at Seattle Public Schools headquarters right now, where the School Board is meeting for a “work session” on short-term capacity management (crowding relief) – proposals that could affect thousands of West Seattle students and their families (as well as their counterparts throughout the city). This is the formal presentation of the proposals we wrote about last night. These meetings aren’t broadcast, so we’re going to write about it live – when the West Seattle points come up, or citywide points relevant to WS – over the next hour and a half. The slide deck that’ll be shown to the board can be seen here.

Assistant superintendent Pegi McEvoy, leading off the meeting, says that the district has received more than 600 written comments; one of the slides from the presentation summarizes the most-frequent comments, including that Fairmount Park is preferred as a permanent home for K-5 STEM at Boren (the only specific West Seattle school mentioned in the summary of comments).

6:10 PM: The president of the FAC-MAC advisory committee has arrived just in time to explain its recommendations – including, regarding West Seattle issues, more portables for Schmitz Park (before the new BEX-IV-funded school can be built at Genesee Hill), opening Fairmount Park Elementary as a neighborhood school in fall 2014, considering housing K-5 STEM at EC Hughes “when available” (Westside School tells WSB late today that it’s expecting to stay through 2015-16 and has a commitment from the district that it can do so).

She says the Schmitz Park community indicated it would rather have more portables than split off kindergarten to another site (a possibility mentioned at the last work session, for SP and other crowded schools such as West Seattle Elementary).

(Note – extensive discussion is ensuing on the North Seattle recommendations from the committee; there are citywide writers here including Melissa Westbrook from the Seattle Schools Community Forum website who will summarize those points later – we’ll update as West Seattle-relevant discussion ensues.)

6:41 PM: Board members are now hearing about the potential financial impacts of various proposals. If a new “kindergarten center” is opened at Boren, for example, to house kindergartens from other schools, the “operational overhead” would be $322,000. Another issue is whether, as originally planned, interim school-bus transportation to “option schools” (such as West Seattle’s Pathfinder K-8) is ended for some students affected by the Student Assignment Plan implemented two years ago – district staff says ending it would be more expensive than continuing it, because it would increase enrollment at many students’ neighborhood schools, potentially leading to a need for more portables.

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6:50 PM: District manager Lucy Morello is going through the specific school-by-school recommendations, and, in mentioning the possibility of locating K-5 STEM at Hughes, noted that its current tenant (Westside School) has a lease through 2015. It would be considered to be part of the Denny International Middle School feeder zone, by the way. There was no elaboration on the other recommendations in the Denny area – using existing space to create 2 new home rooms at Arbor Heights and 1 new home room at Highland Park, and adding 1 or 2 double portables at West Seattle.

7:01 PM: As discussion ensues of North Seattle schools where space-repurposing is proposed, district staff is asked why that is recommended instead of portables – especially considering some of the repurposable space is used for programs such as music to which the district has a commitment (and is pursuing grant money). It’s less expensive, Morello explains, and more manageable in terms of district operations staff. Questioned further by board member Sharon Peaslee, Morello says she thinks six music rooms in all are proposed for repurposing as homerooms district-wide.

Observation: Board member Michael DeBell warns about certain changes at a North Seattle school in light of its likelihood of “serving all those new condo towers in Ballard.” We haven’t heard anyone mention West Seattle’s building boom, which also includes more than 1,000 new units, and how it will affect schools (Fairmount Park, interestingly, is the closest elementary to the east Junction/Triangle boom zone, we’re thinking).

7:11 PM: McEvoy now goes through middle-school crowding-relief recommendations, including two double portables for Denny (in its second year in a brand-new building). No questions or discussion, though we’ll see if any come up after the presentation is over, in whatever Q/A time is left (this session is scheduled to continue till 7:30 pm, and they’re still going through the slide deck).

7:27 PM: The meeting has again veered into extensive North Seattle discussion – but for those following this closely, there is now the first change from the online slide deck, involving Eckstein, Jane Addams K-8, and Hamilton International – including moving the feeder pattern for three elementaries on that side of the city to the “new comprehensive Jane Addams MS for 6th grade and new students.” (Again, watch the citywide reports for more on this later.)

7:43 PM: The meeting is running overtime but the discussion is all centering on the North Seattle issue, even as some of the board members make their wrap-up remarks. Next up for this: A final version will be drawn up for introduction at the January 9th board meeting, with a final vote expected two weeks after that. You can comment in the meantime by e-mailing capacity@seattleschools.org.

7:48 PM: Wait – they still have to review the slide about high schools, which includes a suggestion that Chief Sealth “reduce the number of open choice seats in alignment with new program capacity.” District enrollment manager Tracy Libros says that is the overall approach for crowded high schools (also including Cleveland, Franklin, Garfield, Roosevelt) will phase out the number of students attending from outside the neighborhood zone. The “revised capacity” numbers haven’t been mentioned; we’ll be following up. (At the start of this year, Sealth principal Chris Kinsey announced its enrollment at almost 1,300 students.)

25 Replies to "As-it-happened coverage: School Board's capacity-management work session"

  • Evergreen December 19, 2012 (7:55 pm)

    Meaning STEM would stay at Boren until 2016-2017? Is that even an option?

  • A December 19, 2012 (8:24 pm)

    I can’t believe they just built Denny two years ago and now move in the portables. Oh wait, yes I can – this is Seattle.

  • Dakota December 19, 2012 (8:27 pm)

    “It would be considered to be part of the Denny International Middle School feeder zone, by the way.”

    Could someone elaborate what this means in regards to STEM possibly moving to Hughes? Will the kids continue on at Denny, rather than their attendance area middle school?

  • Confused December 19, 2012 (9:12 pm)

    I thought the original intention of the K-5 Stem school was to alleviate crowding in the north end of WS. Moving it permenantly to EC Hughes & having it feed into Denny won’t help. I liked the idea of it moving into Schmitz or Fairmont Park & feeding into Madison. Denny/Sealth are already overcrowded.

    • WSB December 19, 2012 (9:19 pm)

      The K-5 STEM at Hughes concept seems very preliminary – it didn’t get any discussion beyond what I mention here – and regarding where it would feed for middle school, keep in mind that the district plans to redraw boundaries in the future. – TR

  • A December 19, 2012 (9:25 pm)

    This district doesn’t know what the hell they are doing. That’s the problem.

  • wsea December 19, 2012 (9:40 pm)

    Someone should turn the life care center (WSB recently reported that they are leaving west seattle) into a private school. With most prviate schools at full capacity, they wont have a problem finding students.

    SPS does a good job forcing parents into private schools.

  • Bonnie December 19, 2012 (9:57 pm)

    If someone is going to STEM and they live in the Admiral area would they automatically be assigned Denny when they are in 6th grade? That seems silly, unless Denny will have special STEM classes. Would they provide busing?

  • WS parent December 19, 2012 (10:43 pm)

    Thanks for keeping us informed WSB!

  • fiverson December 20, 2012 (12:41 am)

    During this meeting the FACMAC co-chair said (and I wrote her exact words down as best I could), in reference to making the Hughes and Fairmount Park recommendations that “FACMAC didn’t have much time to discuss these because Hughes coming on line was latebreaking news, but FACMAC is recommending the district consider K5STEM at Hughes if that’s a good fit.” In the same part of the meeting, we learned that FACMAC members had met for at least 4 hours with representatives of the Jane Adams K-8 community to discuss the future location changes and the program impacts to that “E-STEM” option school. K5STEM needs to have a similar opportunity and it really should happen before any definite recommendations are made. The Jane Adams changes could begin next year so I understand the focus there, but West Seattle is dealing with many of the same crowding issues as that area right now too and the best future uses of Boren, Fairmount Park, Hughes, and the current Schmitz Park need to be analyzed and planned now with meaningful opportunities for community input.

  • Genessee hill December 20, 2012 (5:53 am)

    Why are they called portables? They should be called permanent disposables like the ones at Genessee Hill that are rotting away in an abandoned school parking lot. Spending taxpayer money on “portables” that are not portable is crazy and the fact that they are so often used as a bailout smacks of a lack of accountability and foresight in our school leadership-

  • concerned December 20, 2012 (7:36 am)

    As a capacity management work session, it is disappointing to have no better solutions for Schmitz Park than adding two double portables. Does it make it okay that they took two unacceptable options off the table to make their “solution” the only viable option? I don’t think so. SPE has been over capacity for YEARS and it will be YEARS before these is a real solution. There also has been no discussion about whether moving Schmitz Park away from Schmitz Park is considered acceptable. Talk about not getting community input.

  • tk December 20, 2012 (9:01 am)

    …from the meeting:”(K-5 Stem @ Hughes) would be considered to be part of the Denny International Middle School feeder zone, by the way.”
    Wait a moment! Isn’t K-5 Stem an option school? There are no fixed feeder patterns from option schools! According to the NSAP, students entering middle school are assigned according to their home addresses. And besides, the district is fully aware of the extreme overcrowding issues in the south end of WS (at Denny & Sealth) v.s. the underenrollment issues (at Madison & WSHS) which were artifically created by imbalanced feeder pattern maps (4 elementary schools currently feed into the Madison/WSHS track and 6 feed into Denny/Sealth). And now they are saying add K-5STEM to Denny/Sealth? That would be 7 elementaries vs 4!
    Finally, what about the unforfilled promises from the district to beef up STEM offerings at Madison & WSHS in order to attract more students on that track? (oh, I forgot- promises seem to evaporate as soon as the ink dries on the SPS District’s paper)

    • WSB December 20, 2012 (9:09 am)

      Sorry if that is unclear. HUGHES was listed (as you can see if you follow the link to the slide deck) in the Denny Service Area options list. Everything was broken out by middle-school service area, around the city. I thought that was worth noting. Of course, it may be nothing more than the fact Hughes IS in the current Denny territory. What the district has said publicly about K-5 STEM in recent months has been all over the map, including “it’s a program” (not necessarily a “school”) so please don’t interpret this as anything more than the latest round of tea leaves – TR

  • katie December 20, 2012 (9:30 am)

    FACMAC did not meet with members of the Jane Addams community. Jane Addams was shocked by last nights recommendations as they were all new. FACMAC met to discuss the topic but not with anyone from that community.

    But fiverson is otherwise correct. K5STEM should meet now and advocate now and vote now for which future location they want – Fairmount, Hughes or Schmitz.

  • fiverson December 20, 2012 (10:40 am)

    tk, During the work session, I heard nothing said aloud about the K5STEM or Hughes feeder patterns. What you are noting was part of TR’s own insightful commentary based on the history and location of Hughes and its listing among the Denny service area schools on the presentation slide.

    That Fairmount Park is in a position to feed into Madison is one of its attributes as a home for K5STEM. There is currently more room in Madison for students from K5STEM to opt to stay together for middle school and help build an even stronger math and science focus at Madison. I understand that Madison is already facing the need for math adjustments for students from other feeder schools with Singapore Math.

    Are there any elementary schools in Seattle where students are forced to split into two middle schools? The other option schools I’m familiar with are K-8 so that issue doesn’t apply.

    The overall impression I got from the work session, speaking to the FACMAC co-chairs afterwards and an emailed response from Marty McLaren is that very little discussion or analysis has occurred on the latest Hughes and Fairmount Park ideas. In contrast, there were detailed discussions and handouts with lots of analysis on various middle school scenarios in North Seattle tracking the impacts on the entire area through 2016-17.

    These proposals are about much more than K5STEM’s geozone and potential new home. If Fairmount Park is opened as a neighborhood school in 2014-5, there will be boundary redraws that will likely affect many of the surrounding schools. Any boundary changes should be done in a way that will minimize the need for additional disruptive redraws in 2015-6 when the new Genesee Hill campus opens. The impact on West Seattle’s middle and high schools should also be part of the discussion.

  • Hopeful December 20, 2012 (10:41 am)

    1) K-5 STEM is able to look forward/plan for to a permanent home at Hughes (thank you Westside!!!) which is a wonderful building in a great location.
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    2) Fairmount Park is opened as a neighborhood school in 2014 which due to its location, actually relieves some of the severe overcrowding at West Seattle Elementary, Schmitz Park, Gatewood, Lafayette and Alki (if SPS thoughtfully figures out grandfathering then this is truly excellent)
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    3) The new Fairmount Park school feeds into Madison/WSHS helping to balance the north/south and relieve severe overcrowding at Denny and Sealth.
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    4) Both Arbor Heights and Schmitz Park (at Genesse) are rebuilt under BEX IV. (It better pass! Please vote YES)
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    5) In the meantime, schools are not broken apart into pieces with kindergartners or 5th graders sent away to silos — bring on a few more portables (at this point, we’ve got so many, what’s a few more)
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    6) Pathfinder finally takes a portable like all the rest of us (thank goodness!)
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    For what it’s worth, this looks like hopeful but SOLID plan to me and as long as BEX IV passes, it could make a huge difference in West Seattle. Thank you FACMAC and SPS for getting real and getting it right. Thank you WSblog for the coverage too!
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    My only question is what’s the back up plan if BEX doesn’t pass immediately, and what happens to the old Schmitz Park building which also could have been a great home for STEM?

  • evergreen December 20, 2012 (11:06 am)

    I’m not going to take any of their current musings as factual right now, but feel hopeful since they finally mentioned us.

  • fiverson December 20, 2012 (11:51 am)

    Hi Katie,

    Sorry to hear that your community was not consulted. I was quoting what was reported at last night’s meeting which was that FACMAC met with “representatives” of Jane Adams for at least 4 hours. I wonder who was there?

    Hopeful, I like your hopeful attitude, but don’t forget on point 1 that Hughes is not available until 2016-7 and K5STEM was always promised a permanent home for 2014-15 and only 2 temporary years at Boren so this is not necessarily great news for everyone in that community.

    On your point #5, I also think it is undesirable and inequitable for Fairmount Park K students to be “broken into pieces” away from a true K-5 community. I am hoping if FP is to be a neighborhood school, a plan can be implemented to attract at least some number of upper grade students to transfer into the school for 2104-5 not leave 400+ empty nonK seats. Asking a few K teachers and parents who are mostly new to Seattle schools to build a new school is a tough challenge and having a shared mission and compelling features like K5STEM makes the process a lot easier.

  • fiverson December 20, 2012 (12:18 pm)

    I feel I should add that I’m not a K5STEM parent, so I don’t speak for them. I am reading that some are happy about a possible home at Hughes and have heard others would like to remain at Boren longer and even explore becoming a K-8…lots of different ideas and options which is why any recommendation needs clear community input opportunities.
    I’m most concerned that Fairmount Park which has no staff, PTA, or parent community to advocate for it will be given the worst situation in all this planning. I know from the K5STEM experience that its very hard work to build a school from nothing and we should be looking for ways to make FP a success not giving it conditions that no other school community will accept for their kindergarteners.

  • cross-eyed by acronyms December 20, 2012 (12:37 pm)

    My take away from all this is that people love acronyms. It’s like a foreign language. Good luck to SPS, STEM, FAC-MAC, PTA, BEX-IV and the NSAP. (Whatever you all mean.)

  • StringCheese December 20, 2012 (2:27 pm)

    Hopeful, a few clarifications. I will take them point by point.
    1.) STEM cannot look forward or plan for Hughes. Not only does it remain unclear whether, 4 years down the road, Westside will actually leave Hughes. The “recommendation” was made by FACMAC without any actual consideration or study of the Hughes building. They did not discuss STEM’s capacity needs, verify that Hughes can meet the core facility needs, or discuss the promise and necessity of providing a STEM “pathway” through middle and high school. From the beginning, Madison and WSH were spoken of as the preferred path to beef up their course offerings and enrollment.
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    2.) Opening Fairmount as a NS in 2014 would force painful boundary changes to occur twice. Whereas, opening New Genessee HIll and keeping Schmitz Park open alleviates north capacity without multiple redraws. The FP geozone for STEM would siphon off some of that same capacity. Opening Hughes as a NS (which it is currently designed) in 2016 would ease the south end a bit until AH is rebuilt.
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    3.) Again, the STEM pathway should be through Madison and WSH. Solved with STEM at FP.
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    4.) yes!
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    5.) Again, putting STEM in FP would be more helpful toward this than painful boundary redraws (see #2)
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    6.) not sure what the point there is
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    Between Pathfinder and STEM, the WS option schools provided seats for 125+ kindergarteners this year that would otherwise be languishing in their overcrowded neighborhood schools. In looking at all grades, in 2013-14, these two schools alone could open 950 seats throughout West Seattle schools (450 K-5 seats potentially at STEM and 500 K-8 seats at Pathfinder).
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    Other things must be done. However, disparaging option schools (which again can assist in capacity issues across whole regions) is counterproductive.

  • karen December 20, 2012 (5:07 pm)

    I would like to see Seattle looking farther down the line. Currently, preschools are UNDER enrolled whole five years ago the were OVER enrolled. At the time that SPS was closing schools, we had more two and three year olds than we could accomodate. Now, at a time when SPS is talking about opening and changing things, the preschools don’t have enough kids to keep every class full.

    (OK, I’m sure this is not the case in every preschool – generalizing!)

    There was also a report recently that our birth rate is currently the lowest in recorded history. A little longer thought process would help us not have to go through this again in five years.

  • Bonnie December 20, 2012 (9:21 pm)

    Karen, there are a lot more choices for preschools now than 5 years ago. I think that is why they are not getting as full and not having waiting lists like they did just a few years ago.

  • katie December 27, 2012 (10:07 am)

    For those who are concerned about boundary redraws and Fairmont … brace yourself.

    The other thing that was significant at the work session was not so much an announcement but the reality that there will be a full set of boundary redraws for the 14 school year. At mulitple points in the conversation, they would say “Staff does not recommend this option because we are doing the boundary work for ’14, so this can wait.”

    They made that comment often enough that it appeared it was a simple fact. When they made the NSAP, they said they would do a major redraw in ’14 or ’15 so I guess it was bad enough to do it in ’14.

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