Update: Viaduct/tunnel open house at Madison MS

We’re at Madison Middle School for the “scoping” open house that’s offering information and taking comments on the proposal to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct‘s “mile in the middle” Central Waterfront section with a “deep-bore tunnel.” Organizers say they’re pleased with the turnout so far – as of 6:30 pm, halfway through, about 120 people had signed in. The photo above, taken from the landing overlooking the area where the meeting’s happening, shows the layout – more or less traditional open house, easels with maps and lists of informational points, not just about the tunnel plan, but also about the funding, the timeline, and related projects such as Seattle Streetcar expansion, Metro RapidRide, and the Spokane Street Viaduct Widening work — project manager Stuart Goldsmith is here on behalf of the SSV and he tells WSB the “notice to proceed” was just issued today by SDOT for the next major part of the project, the new ramp to 4th Ave So. from the eastbound side (aka “express route to Costco”), so you’ll see equipment start arriving for that in the weeks ahead.

We also have a CD with the images that are being displayed around the room here, so we will post selections from that a bit later – in the meantime, if you see this before 7:30, there’s still time to come down and get questions answered from top-level experts (all the folks who delivered the official briefings on the project all along the way are here, including Ron Paananen from WSDOT and Bob Powers from SDOT).

8:24 PM: Almost everybody arrived in the first hour – final attendee total was about 130.

ADDED 10:03 PM: The rest of the story, including links to some of the handouts and infoboards made available tonight:

First, so you’re clear about the purpose of this open house: “Scoping” means figuring out the scope of possible environmental concerns/issues for a project. And “environmental” doesn’t just mean nature, pollution, wildlife – first on the list was “transportation.” While people circulated around the room to talk with the state, city, and county reps who were on hand, a table also was set up for people to either write comments or dictate them to a court reporter.

Close to the end of the event, we listened in on a particularly spirited discussion between WSDOT’s John White and a man concerned about the fact the tunnel is two lanes each way, rather than three.

White suggested that three lanes each way would not make much difference because you couldn’t feed three lanes into it or out of it. He also fielded questions on how drivers would get into the tunnel — three options when you reached its entrance at the end of the Viaduct South End Replacement Project, he explained, including heading west onto the surface Alaskan Way, or east into downtown. One of the easels set up tonight displayed the maps we featured last week (see pages 8-10 of this document) featuring the proposed traffic-flow pattern from West Seattle if the tunnel plan goes ahead as proposed:

Also on display, the latest on Metro’s RapidRide plans for West Seattle, including this look at what the buses themselves are supposed to be like:

The current version of the first West Seattle RapidRide line’s route also was on an easel, but the disc we received has the Ballard route instead of the West Seattle one (we’ll see if we can get that fixed tomorrow). We can tell you, though, that the route displayed for West Seattle is the one that’s been under discussion a while — following the 54 route except for a rectangle between Westwood Village and Roxbury, then from Westwood, through Fauntleroy, up California to The Junction, down Alaska to 35th, then to Avalon and onto The Bridge.

Among those paying close attention to the transit talk tonight was Southwest District Council co-chair Chas Redmond of Gatewood; he notes that Metro’s future plan to send more buses onto Third Avenue downtown means the proposed 1st Avenue streetcar will be vital for connections from the waterfront (including the Elliott Bay Water Taxi) — that’s the route currently envisioned to replace the out-of-service George Benson Line on Alaskan Way (currently served by green-and-yellow buses), and would theoretically run all the way to Queen Anne.

Other handouts from tonight that might interest you:

This one addresses concerns the Seattle tunnel would be like Boston’s much-maligned “Big Dig”
This one addresses safety concerns about the tunnel
This one explains the difference between this tunnel and the one Seattle voters turned down two years ago

If you missed tonight’s meeting, here’s how to contribute your thoughts about the tunnel — which is still making its way through the Legislature:

E-mail: viaduct@wsdot.wa.gov
Mail: Alaskan Way Viaduct and Seawall Replacement Progra
999 Third Ave., Suite 2424
Seattle, WA 98104

Phone: 1 – 888 – AWV – LINE

If you missed it the first time, by the way, here’s the YouTube animation the state released of how the tunnel would work:

9 Replies to "Update: Viaduct/tunnel open house at Madison MS"

  • Trouble February 24, 2009 (7:55 pm)

    what is the cost per yr for 24/7 ventilation, pumps to control rain build up , security and fire alarm systems. video cams etc etc none of witch would be needed if it were not a tunnel. 1 Bad driver will close the thing for hours or even days.
    Bad Idea all around just like Boston!

  • WSB February 24, 2009 (8:23 pm)

    There actually was a handout with this proposal vs. Big Dig. Will be uploading those various elements shortly.

  • Pete February 24, 2009 (8:41 pm)

    1 bad driver can close down any street, bridge or tunnel. If you happened to be up on Aurora trying to make your way back to West Seattle about 5 pm tonight you would have experienced a three block complete closure of all lanes of Aurora.
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    Having attended a lot of the viaduct meetings over the last 18 months I will say that there were quite a few new faces tonight which was very encouraging. They were also asking some very pointed questions that were answered fully by the WSDOT & SDOT staff that were there.It was great to see folks come out to learn more about the project and to gather the facts prior to making up their mind about this project.
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    Thanks to the WSB for putting up so much information and giving so many links to try and help folks understand what is a very complicated and complex issue. It is so much more than simply bringing a big piece of equipment and putting in a bored tunnel. The bored tunnel is only one of the many building blocks that make up this proposed transportation solution.

  • brandon February 24, 2009 (9:49 pm)

    Anything that does not address years 50 thru 100 of a 100 year life span for this PROPOSAL should make this obsolete. Too many times, DOT have used poor fore sight in estimating life spans, and capacity for their projects. This needs to end to gain any support for future transportation plans.

  • WS February 25, 2009 (7:23 am)

    I attended the event last night (one of the few who showed up in the last hour). I am actually encouraged by what i saw. It seem to me when you look at the whole proposal we actually have more access and options to get downtown than we currently do.

  • Michael February 25, 2009 (11:52 am)

    Very happy that we’re finally going to replace the disastrously decaying thoroughfare.
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    And pleased that more and more people aren’t letting the “big dig” ignorance get in the way (how many times must it be said AND PROVEN before opponents will stop using that worthless comparison?).
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    And I don’t trust that spelling “foresight” as two words would indicate expertise on construction lifecycle, although it might mean they concentrated more in Engineering class than in English. Proof of same welcomed.

  • WSB February 25, 2009 (12:22 pm)

    Michael, as an alliteration aficionado, I just wanted to express appreciation for “disastrously decaying” … TR

  • Michael February 25, 2009 (8:45 pm)

    If I knew you liked it so much I could have said “disastrously decaying ‘duct.” :)
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    And just noticed the link from the Big Blog – get ready for the Sound Off crew to add their “wisdom.” (Anyone else get sad for Seattle upon reading the average P-I comment thread?)

  • WSB February 25, 2009 (8:48 pm)

    P-I links here a lot. We even had a couple home page links the other day. A few hundred extra clicks but no deluge. Re: the average P-I comment thread, we know many fine people there but still can’t understand why they don’t have a few rules along the lines of the few that we have … it’s up to a site owner to draw the line. I still feel sometimes that we may be too “permissive” but I don’t want to stifle discussion any further … just don’t want it to become SoundOff/Slog-type territory here, ever – TR

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