WSB is in the paper. However, we have one correction.

It doesn’t seem to be online yet but if you go out and get an early copy of the Seattle Times Sunday edition, columnist Danny Westneat has written up the results of an long conversation he had with your editor here after he called us up a couple days ago and said he wanted to talk to us about WSB. It’s mostly accurate and we very much appreciate the Times’ interest in writing about what we’re doing as a hyperlocal news website (which would be impossible to run without your help, support, tips, photos, etc.). However, there is one incorrect and, we feel, unnecessarily inflammatory aspect of what he wrote that we want to go on the record about, even before much of anybody else even sees his column.

He wrote that we “are gunning for the (WS) Herald’s advertisers” and described the co-existence of WSB and WSH here in Seattle’s largest neighborhood as a “news war.” Incorrect and untrue on both counts. We’re not “gunning for” anything or anybody, did not tell him we were, nor did we say or even imply we are in a “war.”

Trust us, we know what an actual “news war” is like, having worked (until just last month) for almost 15 years in Seattle TV news, where four stations compete tooth-and-nail, watching each other like a hawk to see who’s got what and what can be labeled as “exclusive,” “first on…,” etc. Nothing like that going on here. Yes, we read the Herald. When their paper comes out every week, we take a look to see if we missed anything big, but on the flip side, we suspect they don’t pay much attention to us at all; their editor wrote an editorial recently describing blogs as something “fun” where “facts often take little part of the mix,” so when we saw that, since it doesn’t characterize this blog at all, we wondered if he’d ever read WSB.

Back to Danny Westneat. When — deep into our hourlong conversation — he brought up the subject of West Seattle having a weekly newspaper as well as a hyperlocal daily news site, we took great pains to say that we think there is plenty of room for (at least) two thriving news sources here, both presenting lots of unique material. If you look at their site and ours, there are stories you will find there that you won’t find here, and vice versa. Same with the advertisers. Last time we saw a count somewhere, West Seattle had more than 300 businesses. Right now, WSB has a grand total of 10 advertisers; haven’t counted the number in the paper and on their site lately, but the sum total is almost certainly many, many more. We are not “gunning for” anyone else’s advertisers. Here’s how our ad-sales process works: Our sales guy Patrick spends his day meeting with business owners in the community (and answering e-mails from people who contact us to inquire), he shows them what we have to offer in terms of ad placement (a lot less ad space than a newspaper, for what it’s worth), tells them the number of people who visit our site daily, talks with them about their needs and interests and questions — as any ad salesperson does — and then they make their own decision about whether they think spending some of their hard-earned money for an ad on WSB is something that can help their business grow. That’s the same decision those same businesspeople make regarding all the other advertising opportunities in the community — including the Herald’s paper and web versions, the directory books, the coupons that come in the mail, sponsorships of community organizations and events, citywide papers and broadcasting outlets, etc. Some choose to advertise in multiple places. Us offering local businesspeople another West Seattle-only advertising option does not constitute “gunning for” anything or anyone.

Last word on the Times column: Westneat sent us a note yesterday, a day after we had spoken, saying he had decided to write the column for this weekend’s paper because something else fell through and said that one of the points he planned to make was that he thought we were a “serious competitor” for the Herald; we tried to correct him ahead of time, by e-mailing back this:

Just one point of context – “serious competitor for the West Seattle Herald” is certainly subjective. They’ve been in this community for 85 years, we’ve been writing about West Seattle for 2 years. They print a newspaper every week; we just do a website. …

However, he decided to take that angle anyway, so we want to at least get the context out here on our site. With a disclosure – in the early months of WSB, we did criticize the paper a couple times. WSB was more of a standard opinion blog back then, with daily readership in the dozens instead of the thousands. But as we have written here before, especially starting with the December 2006 windstorm, everything changed, and spouting our opinions publicly isn’t what this site is about any more. For our part of it — you provide the discussion and opinion, in comments and forums, not us — it’s just the facts. In fact, that’s the headline you will see on Westneat’s column about us if you read it — “An Appetite for Just the Facts.” Which is why we’re writing this, to offer a factual correction of one aspect of a column that otherwise is pretty cool (we’ll put up the link whenever it appears online) – and to again thank you for your support — Tracy Record, WSB editor/co-publisher

(12:05 AM SUNDAY UPDATE: The column still isn’t online, and we’re going off-duty for a while. We’re guessing a link will eventually appear here. 8:50 AM SUNDAY UPDATE: Here’s the direct link. And 2 more notes, for what it’s worth, after re-reading: First, re: the line that we “report getting twice as many pageviews per day as the Herald.” I have no idea what their traffic is. He asked me what ours is and I told him, without any speculation or claims about how we thought that related to anything or anyone; any info he had regarding theirs would have come directly from them. Second, I was assistant news director at Q13, not news director. The latter position is Captain Picard; mine was Commander Riker.)

45 Replies to "WSB is in the paper. However, we have one correction."

  • Rhonda Porter January 12, 2008 (11:13 am)

    It’s really too bad that the media feels the need to create drama or “bad news” to push their product. We all love good news and I see WSB and the Herald as too separate resources.

    My husband was concerned that I might be stepping on WSB’s toes with my neighborhood blog a year ago (which I don’t think I do). Like WSB and the Herald, there may be some duplication of some posts, however its the individual’s writers viewpoints. Plus, I’m not covering all of West Seattle. I try to stick to my “hood” and events that interest me (or my off again/on again contributors).

    Obviously, the Times reporter does not have a “blog” mentality since it’s more about “giving” than competition.

    I’m glad you’re getting the truth out there!

  • a different BB January 12, 2008 (11:40 am)

    What’s a blog to do? I suspect you could say you love West Seattle and that will translate into you hating White Center. . . . . .which in turn would set off a gun war and countless meaningless deaths.

    I read the WSB every day and the Herald every week. I have NEVER seen disparaging remarks in the blog (or in non-public e-mails directly from the WSB Gods) regarding the Herald. That’s like saying Boeing is in direct competition with Metro busses because they both provide transportation. . . . . it’s just silly.

    I hope the Herald folks realize that this town IS big enough for the both of you and this inaccurate report should not be used by anyone to start a feud.

    Go Seahawks!

  • WS Native January 12, 2008 (11:44 am)

    This is what newspapers do. Reporters and columnists come up with the story they want to write (“angle”), then talk to people until somebody says something that fits in the pre-determined blanks. And even if they don’t get a quote they can take out of context to support their invented drama, they often (as above) just present their dreamt-up drama as if it were fact.

  • Ann K January 12, 2008 (12:18 pm)

    This is just typical D. Westneat blather – so many of his columns attempt to create controversy where there is none. We read WSB every day and the Herald every week – we appreciate both.

  • TheVelvetBulldog January 12, 2008 (12:20 pm)

    “…gunning for” is the descriptive I would be LEAST likely to use in association w/ WSB. I hope that anyone who reads Mr. Westneat’s article actually visits WSB and recognizes that his is an inaccurate portrayal of the marketing that is (or isn’t) being conducted. Sheesh.

  • Jo January 12, 2008 (12:41 pm)

    Congratulations, WSB.
    You’re getting the recognition that you so deserve. Can’t even begin to tell you how important WSB has become to our community.
    Jo Ofsthus

  • jeff January 12, 2008 (12:51 pm)

    All I can say is I get more of my news here than anywhere else. I appreciate the local emphasis, and I rarely ever read print news anymore. I West Seattle Blog!

  • Kathy January 12, 2008 (1:02 pm)

    Seems to me that WSB is ‘building’ community which I deeply appreciate. It’s a totally unique form of media which can’t compete with anything else going on in Seattle. We need community in our lives. Thank you, WSB!

  • KatherineL January 12, 2008 (1:25 pm)

    Bulldog, there may be more people checking out WSB because of the warlike language. For the same reason that violent computer games sell better than Scrabble. Too bad.

  • acemotel January 12, 2008 (1:42 pm)

    What everyone said… In this day and age, any medium can’t expect to be the only source of news. I’ve never really read the Herald often in the past, but the WSB has revived my interest in local issues, and I tend to pick up the Herald every week nowadays. It works both ways. It’s a shame though that the Herald chose to denigrate and dismiss blogs in their editorial a few weeks ago.

  • add January 12, 2008 (2:02 pm)

    My experience with the Herald’s editorials is that, although of course the point of an op-ed is to take a point of view or have an opinion, their editor often hasn’t done any homework before spouting off something that isn’t even true or is unnecessarily inflammatory. Hopefully the WS Herald folks will spend some time on this blog to understand what it’s all about. Like others who have commented – I read the blog every day and subscribe to the Herald!

    Congrats to WSB for more & more much-deserved exposure!

  • Michael January 12, 2008 (2:15 pm)

    Thanks for clarifying and keep up the great work- really no need to worry – the West Seattle Herald is a disappointing read and can use some competition to wake them up to the new reality that is West Seattle. The don’t seem to be changing with the community they purport to cover. WSB is the destination for West Seattle happenings hands down and if anyone has been itching to start a community newspaper or magazine – the time is ripe in West Seattle.

  • JumboJim January 12, 2008 (2:22 pm)

    Westneat is a twerp. Ever listen to him on KUOW with the other regular panelists? I haven’t been impressed.

    Maybe he wrote it from his chosen angle because his editors won’t let him write that WSB is stealing Seattle Times subscribers. That’s the case for me. I am not very interested in what is happening in most other parts of Seattle and I get national/international news in much better depth from various web and radio media sites than I see in the TImes and PI. I no longer subscribe to a Seattle paper other than the Herald and rarely buy one off the newsstand.

  • datamuse January 12, 2008 (2:22 pm)

    Congratulations! I was wondering when you’d get some mainstream media attention.

    The fabricated “war” just seems silly. (Though it might get you some more site traffic, which would be cool.) Anyone can come to WSB and see, by both this post and by your usual content, that it’s not true.

  • flipjack January 12, 2008 (2:45 pm)

    It’s nice to pick up an actual paper and sit down and read something about your local neighborhood without the glare of an LCD screen, and the Herald fills a need that would be sorely missed if it wasn’t around.
    And likewise WSB has been a great resource for instant gratification and professionalism while keeping a atmosphere of FUN! So kudos to you.
    I do sorta miss the early days of the WSB,when only a few people knew about you. Hopefully you’ll keep more of a personal touch..you know a more bloggy touch as the days go by.

  • flipjack January 12, 2008 (2:47 pm)

    Oh yeah, I could give a rat’s arse about the Seattle Times and their false journalism.

  • Kayleigh January 12, 2008 (2:54 pm)

    There’s room for both WSB and the Herald. Creating conflict and drama adds little value to the world, Mr. Westneat.

  • Rick January 12, 2008 (3:35 pm)

    Newspapers are beholden to their stockholders(advertisers).They have to sell news. At times that involves creating some of it. WSB is news. I hope it stays that way.

  • mona January 12, 2008 (3:45 pm)

    I haven’t read Danny Westmessy’s Westneat’s column yet, but does he mention that in December 2006, the West Seattle Herald interviewed WSB?

  • WSB January 12, 2008 (4:05 pm)

    And you :) Just went back through the mailbox (we save everything) – since that interview was done entirely by e-mail – Rebekah asked us about others in WS, at which time we suggested six bloggers, ending by saying “Mona is the funniest blogger in West Seattle, in my opinion” (which still holds true – you are absolutely hysterical). Funny to look back, while the story ran in late December ’06, the “interview” was actually done in early December, before the fateful windstorm pushed us further into newsyness.

  • LA in the Junction January 12, 2008 (4:33 pm)

    Well, as they say, there’s no such thing as bad publicity. I love the up to the minute info on the blog, and read it every day. But I’m also a Herald subscriber, and while no one would say it’s going to win a Pulitzer anytime soon, I appreciate its take on WS news each week, it reminds me of what people without computers are thinking. Always room for both. Go WSB!

  • gwen c. January 12, 2008 (5:46 pm)

    if the Herald and WSB even commonly reported on the same thing, it might be another story. however, the Herald is a weekly aggregation of the news in print; WSB is a rather more responsive medium, but doesn’t seem designed to provide the depth that the Herald does in certain matters… when *was* the last story about high school football on WSB? Yeah. (Not a criticism, just a point of fact.)

    WSB is people-driven. I don’t live in West Seattle, can’t afford it, but I work and play and socialize here. I can e-mail WSB about something of interest. I don’t think that the Herald would be able to get much past that my street number had three digits and the letters NE. the Herald is still a traditional newspaper, which has a lot if interesting coverage that I care about, but there are generally different stories, different advertisers, and different things of interest. it’s somewhat like looking at a pony and looking at a mule and saying they’re the same. they perform the same function on some level, but they have totally different individual functions, one not necessarily better than the other, but certainly different from one another.

  • Bob Loblaw January 12, 2008 (5:50 pm)

    WS Native: I’ve worked in news for more than 20 years, including a stint at the P-I (speaking of news wars). Never did I come into a story hoping to spin it any particular direction. In fact, one of the great things about being a reporter is that you really learn to open your mind. I also never met anyone in all the newsrooms I’ve worked in who did this. Do newspapers have an agenda? Most do, depending on the publisher/corporate ownership/board of directors/stock holders. Do some reporters? I assume so. But please don’t lump everyone into one general pile.

    WSB: Don’t burn out. You’re going at a furious pace and the community depends on you and your contributors to be everywhere at once. This is good and bad at the same time. Some day you’ll be forced to peel yourself away from the keyboard (At least I hope you do — everyone needs some R&R in order to keep up the pace).

  • WSB January 12, 2008 (6:04 pm)

    Bob – thanks – the one thing that’s weird about us (and Danny W asked us about it – “do you really have the stamina to do this?” was his question) is that we worked so many long hours, 7-day weeks, etc., for so many years in our previous old-media career (and always on call even during the “off” hours), info-gathering has always been more like a way of life than work. There’s also the miracle of the Internet being portable. We maintained the site while on a road trip out of state last spring and a cruise last summer. Certainly we’ve stepped up the coverage pace even more since then, but eventually we hope to have the $ to hire relief help.

  • JanS January 12, 2008 (7:52 pm)

    hmmm…looking forward to reading what Danny W. has to say…remember that his e-mail address is at the end of his column…think any of us might write and set him straight? :)

  • mark January 12, 2008 (10:32 pm)

    Interesting thread … I’m looking forward to reading the column too.

    First, though, I want to thank Bob Loblaw for his comments and second them. I’ve worked in the news business for 30 years, including at the Times, P-I and the LA Times, and I agree that it’s the rare reporter who makes up his mind about a story before reporting it. I can also tell you something about Danny Westneat, who has been a friend and colleague for many years, and for a while was my business partner. Not only is he not a “twerp,” as one commenter put it, but he’s one of the smartest and most ethical people I know, and a terrific journalist too. I’m not saying he’s beyond making a mistake or mischaracterizing something — although I don’t know that that’s the case here — but I can promise you he didn’t set out to manufacture a story or gin up controversy.

    Just my two bits. Congrats to WSB for the attention, and keep up the great work.

    Mark Matassa

  • M. Portsbie January 13, 2008 (1:24 am)

    You people are all nuts. Westneat wrote a glowing, nearly fawning column about your blog and all you have to do is complain!? So what if you are good enough to compete for ads versus the tired old West Seattle weekly paper? You should be proud of it. He wasn’t trying to make a controversy. He was trying to give you a pat on the back. And you return the favor by calling him names.

  • Venkat January 13, 2008 (6:23 am)

    Congrats WSB!

    The column is up and it seems glowing enough.

    It’s become tradition to have a bit of fact-checking and hand wringing (by commenters) when “old media” profiles a blog. It happens with the NYT and it’s bound to happen with the Times.

  • Sharon January 13, 2008 (10:09 am)

    Way to go WSB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I found the column to be a huge positive for your Blog. That’s why I’m on here today.

    Keep up the great community work.

  • Kayleigh January 13, 2008 (11:27 am)

    After reading it, that was a pretty nice, non-inflammatory article. Sorry, Mr. Westneat.

  • s.j. January 13, 2008 (11:46 am)

    congrats WSB! i found this article to be positive and in glowing support of your blog. i think you’ll have a lot of newcomers to your site today!

  • WSB January 13, 2008 (11:53 am)

    Just to reiterate, as we wrote at the top and bottom of this … we liked it too except for the part about which we wrote here, the “news war” and “gunning for advertisers” part, and that for us is a biggie that we didn’t feel could go unremarked on. We didn’t want anyone to see the article first and think “who the h*ll do those people think they are?” when that one part of it bears no relation to reality. Otherwise, we completely appreciate the chance for exposure in front of people who hadn’t managed to find WSB yet.

  • Scott S January 13, 2008 (12:00 pm)

    I found WSB today as a result of reading Westneat’s article . I too found his column glowing in its description, and can only imagine he’s feeling a bit bewildered by being so beat up.

    Meanwhile, this site appears to be exactly what our household has been hoping for for years now, and Westneat’s comments not withstanding, it appears as if Tracy and the rest who make it happen are marching to the beat of a different drummer.

    Thank you. I’ve now made WSB my web browser home page and will check things out every time I go online.

    Scott S.

  • WSB January 13, 2008 (12:15 pm)

    Welcome, Scott S!

  • Chris January 13, 2008 (12:25 pm)

    Danny’s comments reflect the misconception plaguing journalists in the traditional media right now. They can’t shake the belief that journalism is a zero sum game or less. I have the utmost empathy for the challenges facing reporters at the papers. But as you are proving, nothing could be further from the truth. Great content will succeed. True, newspaper businesses are in trouble. Delivery trucks that bring the news and recycling trucks that carry it away, and factory-like printing presses, will seem pretty silly to my kids I assume. But good journalism, covering the community as you do here, is more popular than ever. It’s a great opportunity for Danny and his colleagues. I think he was trying to recognize that fact. But he’s been in newspapers 20 years so it came out sounding like an old fashion newspaper war, not the future of journalism. — Thank you for blazing this trail.

    -Chris Norred

  • Picklemom January 13, 2008 (12:48 pm)

    With all due respect to Mr. Westneat, the allegations of Weapons of Media Destruction were vastly overstated. Personally, I never even considered the idea of a “media war” between the WSB and the Herald. Terms like “gunning” and “war” are hyperbole in this context.

  • DALYDBL January 13, 2008 (12:55 pm)

    Other neighborhoods are going to figure out how cool our part of town is. Then they will start blogs that can’t even compete. Then it will be an all out “blog war”. Muhahahahhaaaa! Perhaps you should start a membership drive, kind of like KEXP does. I’d join.
    Then you could have WSB propaganda like hoodies and bumper stickers and all kinds of goodies! The members could have an Alki Beach BBQ party and share West Seattle stories from days of yore and pose for a group photo with everyone wearing their sauce stained WSB T-shirts sitting in a W S B formation in the sand for the Chamber of Commerce to display. Oh gosh that sounds exciting!

  • BB January 14, 2008 (8:22 am)

    Don’t know about a “media war” but having purchased advertising from both (and the Times/PI) it is quite clear in my mind where the best results come from…

  • Danny Westneat January 14, 2008 (10:36 am)

    Dear West Seattle Blog:
    The part about the “news war” is my view, not Tracy’s. That’s why I included Tracy saying that she doesn’t see it as a news war.
    So let me try to make the case here that there really is a news war. A year ago, Bill Gates said that in five years time, newspapers won’t be printing on paper anymore. He may be off on the timeline, but the point stands — all papers recognize that we are shifting to online. We have to. So here you have a longtime community paper whose Web site gets only half the traffic as this upstart blog (I got the West Seattle Herald’s web traffic from their own site, here: http://www.westseattleherald.com/contact/)
    There is little doubt, in my mind anyway, that this is a major problem for them. It doesn’t detract from the fact that they still have 12,500 subscribers to their printed paper. Or that print is a much better advertising vehicle than online, at least so far. None of that is going to vanish overnight. But it is going to decline and eventually be replaced online. In West Seattle anyway, this blog is rapidly opening up a large online content lead on the local paper. That is VERY unusual. I can tell you that if there was a Puget Sound regional news website that was getting twice the traffic of the Seattle Times, we’d be freaking out. Big time.
    All you commenters who say there is room for more than one kind of journalism, you are absolutely correct. It’s probably not going to be printed on paper, though. The Web is breaking apart the old newspaper business model. Everyone in my business knows that we have to adapt to online, or sink. It’s true it’s an opportunity for us to do great journalism. But if we don’t adapt, it’s a crisis.
    Tracy is correct that the phrase “gunning for advertisers” was my own. That was an overstatement on my part. She is right that it implies she is some sort of shark, and I didn’t mean to imply that. It would have been better to say “seeking advertisers.”
    All of this will be fascinating to watch — provided Tracy can sustain her extraordinary pace. My bet is that the West Seattle Herald will be forced to alter the way it does its Web site. It can’t post news just once a week anymore. It has to respond by making its site more up-to-date, more interactive, more of a community gathering center. I think this blog is the reason why.
    Great discussion …

  • Elizabeth January 14, 2008 (1:37 pm)

    The entire U.S. media is a disaster. We see it locally with consistently misleading stories like this one in the Seattle Times. We see it in all the weekly “rant sessions” (instead of real news) that the West Seattle Herald has become. And we see it nationally with the sloppy “sound bite” coverage of the political season (e.g. the media basically unanimously “wrote off” Hillary Clinton’s entire political career because 12% of Iowa Democrats had given Barack Obama a few thousand more votes and exactly ONE additional delegate). Until people start demanding real news (with some actualy depth and context) rather than this “tabloid” sound bit media we’ve got now, we’ll never get real, accurate, pertinent news. No wonder Americans are so isolated. Sad.

  • Jack Mayne January 14, 2008 (1:53 pm)

    I did not return Danny Westneat’s call asking comment on the WSB because I do not want to inflame an atmosphere that isn’t inflammatory. My one comment on blogs was that many were simply opinion and not fact, but I did not make that comment in relation to the WSB, but the broad atmosphere of blogs.
    We have been criticized by the WSB for not putting more on line more quickly and that is a valid criticism and one that my staff and I are working on.
    To answer a comment from the WSB editor, I read the WSB often, and my staffers do also. I have been in the metro daily and now weekly business for to long to want to brag about. I do not consider WSB or any competitor “the enemy”, but another competitor – I also read the Times and the P.I, along with several blogs, newspapers on line, etc. There is plenty for us both do do and we shall both continue to do what we do as best as we can.

  • Pelicans January 14, 2008 (3:53 pm)

    Dear WSB’ers,
    We all appreciate your disclosures-lifting the veil, and the reasons for accepting local ads, etc. But there is no need for defense. Mr. Westneat is in the newpaper biz-in other words as a reporter told me a long time ago, “If it bleeds, it leads.” His paper and the other it jointly operates with too often leave us with more questions than they answer. Who, what, when, why, where, how, etc. are not included in their stories. I admire their investigative journalism, but the day-to-day stuff seems to be beneath thier attention. When reading their news the phrase “Sanitized for your protection” too often comes to mind. It’s as it they put the bare minimum into their reporting just to say they publish a paper. Methinks Mr. Westneat doth protest too much. Best defense is a good offense. WSB, you have taken their place in the world of local reporting, and more power to you.

  • Chris January 14, 2008 (5:55 pm)

    Thank you for participating in the discussion Danny.

    I don’t see the evidence that WSB’s success comes at the expense of the Herald. Everyone on the thread disputes that. So I’m not sure why you have little doubt. I’d argue that WSB is really doing a great service for the Herald by showing them and West Seattle advertisers how the value of online content and advertising can play in a hyperlocal market. It seems sort of like Starbucks showing how to make money with a new type of coffee shop. We’ve heard that lots of old coffee shops benefitted.

    You say: “print is a much better advertising vehicle than online” Whoa. It seems like there are contrary arguments for classifieds, real estate, automobiles, etc. Online is clearly better.

    Think of it this way: online, I can subscribe to and read dozens of newspapers or blogs every day. There is no way I could have spent the time or money to read dozens in print. Suddenly I’m part of 12 or 50 or 100 daily advertising audiences.

    Tracy hasn’t offered information about her revenues, but looking at her ads and her staff, and estimating based on standards ad rates and a guess of expenses, she’s probably doing better than you’ve implied. I think she said something herself above about hiring help as needed.

    It’s a hard transition to make and it’s a risk. But if the journalists with the training and the readership, like yourself, keep painting the bleakest picture, rather than honestly appraising the opportunity, THEN I worry good journalists won’t make the transition. That will be a problem.

    -Chris Norred

  • Cynthia January 14, 2008 (10:55 pm)

    I am thrilled to see the publicity for WSB in the Times and thought Mr. Westneat’s column was a very fair and, yes, glowing description of the service WSB is providing. WSB is a legitimate news option for my neighborhood. It IS a serious competitor to the Herald and, for that matter, the Times, a point that needs no correction or clarification. And the issues he raises in his column and his classy response here about print vs. online media are very real and worth discussing. Ms. Record, in some ways you’re running circles around the Herald, and the point Mr. Westneat makes, and Mr. Mayne concedes — that it will affect how the Herald does its work — is a huge compliment. Isn’t it great to be having this discussion at all? Perhaps the reports of the demise of both local news and competing outlets in a market have been exaggerated?

  • Collin January 15, 2008 (8:36 pm)

    I grew up in (and still love) West Seattle but now I live in the Fiji Islands! If it hadn’t been for the column in the Times, I would not have known about the WSB. When I spotted the story, the link was working! And, I now have it bookmarked…..

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