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November 26, 2013 at 12:08 am #609769
JanSParticipantfrom an article I just read – discuss? : 10 questions Every Liberal should ask every Republican.
“1) If Republicans are so fiscally responsible, why was President Eisenhower (in the 1950′s) the last Republican president to balance the budget?
2) If President Reagan was such a fiscally conservative hero, why did he quadruple our national debt during his eight years in the White House?
3) If tax breaks are the main driving force behind job creation, how would we create jobs once tax rates were reduced to practically zero?
4) If socialized health care is so awful, why does every country that leads the world in life expectancy have socialized health care?
5) If you support the freedom of religion (as per our Constitution), and my church recognizes gay marriage, isn’t your support for the banning of same-sex marriage an attack on my religion’s First Amendment rights?
6) What’s more realistic? 1) That an entire region of the United States that supported slavery in the late-1800′s and support segregation in the 1950′s and 60′s suddenly stopped being racist, or 2) The racist southern Democrats in the south became Republicans during the 50′s and 60′s when the Republican party shifted toward an idea called the “Southern Strategy,” where the GOP appealed to the racism in southern whites who didn’t like African Americans voting for Democrats.
7) If taxes are at some of their lowest levels in history, and the wealthiest in this country are richer than ever, why hasn’t the growth in the wealth of the middle class matched that of the top 2%?
8) If our Founding Fathers wanted this nation to be based on Christianity, why don’t the words “Christian” or “Christianity” appear even once in our Constitution?”
November 26, 2013 at 2:19 am #800487
VBDParticipantI’ll start from the bottom of the list. My favorite fallacy in regards to whether we are a “Christian” nation or not, is the false claim that our laws are based on the 10 commandments. Here’s an article on that topic I thought was pretty good:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-wilhelm/the-ten-commandments-are-_b_701168.html
November 26, 2013 at 3:36 am #800488
brewParticipant“from an article I just read – discuss?”
Why?
Why not discuss much more pertinent issues, such as this president, and his administration, is the most dishonest of any other president in the history of this country?
November 26, 2013 at 3:52 am #800489
dobroParticipant“Why not discuss much more pertinent issues…”
Why not start your own thread if you’re not interested in this one?
November 26, 2013 at 4:35 am #800490
brewParticipant“Why not start your own thread if you’re not interested in this one?”
It was a question to JanS, not you… (Hence the quote marks)
Why bother responding if you’re not interested in the question or answer?
November 26, 2013 at 4:43 am #800491
VBDParticipantHey Brew, I have a question for you: Do you think the founding fathers intended our country to be based on Christianity?
November 26, 2013 at 5:00 am #800492
brewParticipantMy personal belief and short answer is No … With that said, I must confess that my knowledge and interest in any organized religion is lacking.
November 26, 2013 at 5:09 am #800493
JanSParticipantbrew…I agree with Dobro 100%. So…there…I answered your question !
November 26, 2013 at 5:28 am #800494
brewParticipant“brew…I agree with Dobro 100%. So…there…I answered your question !”
Sounds kind of like an Obama response doesn’t it? Not answering the original question and always putting it off on someone else….
November 26, 2013 at 5:42 am #800495
dobroParticipant“Sounds kind of like an Obama response doesn’t it? Not answering the original question and always putting it off on someone else….”
Please give an example of an “Obama response”. I’m not familiar with the term. Is that something they talk about on Fox news?
PS- I believe the “original question” would be the one posed by the Originating Poster (OP), not the one by a subsequent poster who answers a question with another question.
November 26, 2013 at 5:55 am #800496
redblackParticipantbrew: in accordance with the OP, what would the reagan response be?
“well, i thought i said one thing, but it turns out that i was wrong. so therefore, i was right. because it wasn’t actually me who said it.”
[think about/google reagan’s response to iran/contra, then get back to me about presidential dishonesty.]
you claim that obama is “the most dishonest of any other president in the history of this country.” but you seem to lack any kind of conviction.
or proof.
or argument.
got a specific beef here, or are you just gonna whine for the next three years? because if that’s the republican strategy for victory, you guys had better hunker down and retool your message.
seriously. with that kind of opposition, democrats could run elliot spitzer and anthony weiner – with bill clinton for attorney general, no less – and win in a landslide.
November 26, 2013 at 6:59 am #800497
JanSParticipantexcuse me, brew, but I don’t give a rip what you’re opinion of Obama is. I started this thread and asked something specific, and you tried to divert it to more bash Obama rantings. If you want to rant, start your own thread. I realize that threads can take twists and turns, but you just want to spew more Obama hate. Yeah, I’m being a bit belligerent….I suppose instead of telling ME I didn’t answer YOUR question, I’ll ask why you thought it prudent to immediately hijack the topic of this thread…could it be because you can’t explain any of the points? Chew on that for a while.
November 26, 2013 at 7:08 am #800498
brewParticipantWhy is it that you people automatically assume and label others as republican if they may not agree with YOUR opinion? I am not a republican but rather someone who finds it deplorable that, as supports of this president, you fail to hold him accountable for his mis-truths, deceit, and outright hypocrisy. (as I previously stated, I voted Obama in ’04)
“1. you claim that obama is “the most dishonest of any other president in the history of this country.” but you seem to lack any kind of conviction.
or proof.
or argument.”
Lets start with these (as I stated in another thread)
Fast and Furious
Benghazi
IRS
Solyndra
AP (associated press)
Syria
NSA
Gitmo
Sequester Hype
ACA
Etc…
And yes, I firmly believe this president had direct knowledge of each and every one of these.
November 26, 2013 at 7:18 am #800499
brewParticipantJanS, and I really don’t give a rats ass to what your view of the GOP is. what I do care about is that everyone gets to express their opinions in a fair and respectful way. You can try to bully all you want… However, it does no good except to make you look foolish. You really need to take a look in the mirror. Chew on that for a while!
And BTW, I could offer insight to each and everyone of your copy and pasted points, but really, it would be a waste of my valuable time. Guess they would be my OWN insights though!
November 26, 2013 at 9:21 am #800500
JanSParticipantI’m not trying to bully. Honestly, brew, opinions in a fair and respectful way? I think that goes both ways. I posted something that I thought might be open to getting a discussion going. And immediately someone jumped in and hijacked it with something that had nothing to do with the topic. So, opening up a respectful discussion went down the tubes immediately. Instead of having people jump in with opinions on the subject it turned into something else, and no discussion whatsoever about what I originally posted. It turned into , once more, Obama bashing. I wasn’t bashing the Repubs…the article that this came from may or may not be right. But no one got to discuss the points, which had nothing to do with Obama.
People have complained on here in the past that there is nothing interesting to join in on on the forums anymore. It’s all things for sale, or need a nanny, or something similar. Here was something to agree or disagree on, and now we won’t get to do that. I didn’t cause that – and it makes me a bit perturbed that someone who touts respectful and fair opinions did that, which was neither fair or respectful. That person had nothing to say about it, and when questioned directly, ignores, and does a bit of bullying themselves. And you alwys end up saying, no comment, it would be a waste of time. You’ve done that before. Why is that? Maybe, just maybe, you have points that you could make that might sway someone…and I’m pretty sure others might want to hear them. Discussion – not accusations. Sigh.
So, we will continue to agree to disagree.
I hope others will join in…maybe HMC Rich will have something insightful to say, if he wants. Maybe others will. I’m tired, and calling it a night.
November 26, 2013 at 9:24 am #800501
JanSParticipantoh, and a question…you “believe” …but do you have factual proof? We all “believe” something, but it’s purely conjecture.And shouldn’t be passed around as truths. But, again, this thread wasn’t meant to be a rehash of what you have posted almost verbatim in other threads.
November 26, 2013 at 4:26 pm #800502
dobroParticipant“…but you seem to lack any kind of conviction.
or proof.
or argument.”
Lets start with these (as I stated in another thread)
Fast and Furious
Benghazi
IRS
Solyndra
AP (associated press)
Syria
NSA
Gitmo
Sequester Hype
ACA
Etc…”
Still showing no proof, conviction, or argument. Just a list of the Wingnut’s Greatest Hits. I think they’d look better if you put them in alphabetical order.
“And BTW, I could offer insight to each and everyone of your copy and pasted points, but really, it would be a waste of my valuable time.”
Cutting and pasting your list of talking points and threadjacking, however, is a good use of your “valuable time”? Curious, that.
November 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm #800503
wakefloodParticipantI’m waiting for Rush or Hannity to take that list and use it as the next verse for “We Didn’t Start the Fire”!!!
November 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm #800504
wakefloodParticipantBut I digress and shame on me for participating in the thread hijacking.
Back to the OP’s questions, post haste!
Or maybe you guys on the right got nuthin? “Phone calls and footlockers? Please tell me you have something more, Lieutenant??”
November 27, 2013 at 1:58 pm #800505
redblackParticipantI am not a republican but rather someone who finds it deplorable that, as supports of this president, you fail to hold him accountable for his mis-truths, deceit, and outright hypocrisy. (as I previously stated, I voted Obama in ’04)
nice trick.
is this your way of saying you didn’t vote for obama’s third term, or what?
just kidding.
anyway, brew, check WSB forums for discussions of any of the non-scandals you listed above. they’ve been discussed ad nauseum.
November 27, 2013 at 3:02 pm #800506
anonymeParticipantWelcome back, RB!! You were sorely missed.
November 27, 2013 at 3:24 pm #800507
F16CrewChiefMemberFast and Furious – They should of stopped after the first movie.
Benghazi – The DoD is still working on the teleporter machine.
IRS – EVERY Presidents friend
Solyndra – Was this a location of a UFO sighting?
AP (associated press) – Fox News only reliable source of info.
Syria – See President G.W. Bush invasion of Iraq please.
NSA – The NSA is now monitoring you for this comment.
Gitmo – And we Gotmo terrorists….moving on!
Sequester Hype – ACA Website Hype
ACA – Tea Party
Etc… – Blah, blah, blah…
November 27, 2013 at 4:24 pm #800508
wakefloodParticipantShoulda’ stopped after the first movie… HA! ;-)
November 27, 2013 at 5:03 pm #800509
wakefloodParticipantBoy, we seem to have settled into a prescribed set of dance steps here on our politically related threads, haven’t we? Or maybe it’s just me?
If there’s a serious question posed by a “lefty” that requires some real introspection about the impacts of “righty” policy on our society and asks for a response – they are met with crickets and/or a change of subject. (What a lawyer might call unresponsive testimony or pleading the 5th.) I can think of a few off the top of my head – and they center around showing proof that anything the right has been able to implement over the last 30yrs. has made things better for America or the average American. The OP on this is a current example of this phenomenon. (Dobro’s usually all over this tango.)
Conversely, if there’s an “aha!” posting from a rightie requesting a lefty response to a hot button talking point or data point – it is usually met with either A) a dismissal of the data as biased or unscientific. Or B)a dismissal of the issue as a distraction or irrelevant to the bigger picture. (Rich, Skeets, and others will likely say that every time they post some data it gets shot down as “un-peer-reviewed” or has some other fatal flaw. Must be frustrating?)
Hey, maybe we should create an abbreviation or shorthand for when we hit these standard patterns, and we can all move on to another, hopefully more productive thread? (We do have them, occasionally!)
Maybe we can just say, Lather, rinse, repeat? Or LRR for short? ;-)
November 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm #800510
F16CrewChiefMemberWake, you’re asking for waaaaay too much. It’s funner just banging your head against a wall in these political threads:-)
<Breaks out air guitar and starts singing Quiet Riot, “Bang Your Head”!>
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