City councilmembers briefed on what SPD is doing to try to hire more officers

“If rock bottom was ever a thing, we’re probably there.” That’s how District 1 City Councilmember Rob Saka described the first statistic presented during this morning’s Public Safety Committee briefing about Seattle Police hiring and recruiting.

The briefing (full slide deck here) was focused more on recruiting/hiring processes than on specifics of where staffing stands now – aside from that one overall stat – so we don’t have, for example, a precinct-by-precinct breakdown of current staffing – other updates are given on that periodically. But the council did hear a lot about how recruiting and hiring works, and doesn’t work, right now.

The briefing was presented by a team led by Deputy Mayor Tim Burgess (a former police officer and city councilmember). One long-running factor, the contract negotiations with the officers’ union, is “very close” to agreement, Burgess said toward the briefing’s end, without elaborating. But many other factors affecting recruiting and hiring were discussed. “The problem of recruitment is not just a Seattle problem,” he and others at the table – including SPD Chief Adrian Diaz – stressed.

This group followed a briefing earlier in the meeting that included some revelations about what Councilmember Cathy Moore observed was a “clunky” process of moving candidates along through various stages of screening and testing – the length of time it takes to provide SPD with lists of qualified candidates, for example. “I don’t get a sense of urgency,” Moore said.

The process moves faster than it used to, councilmembers were told, but still could move faster. But the SPD and mayor’s-office team listed other factors – like starting salary, in which they said Seattle ranks 15th on a list of jurisdictions with which it competes for officers:

There was some discussion of incentives offered by other jurisdictions, such as take-home vehicles and housing subsidies (none of which are being currently offered or proposed by Seattle), Meantime, among the applicants SPD is getting, the ethnic diversity outstrips the city as a whole, but the gender diversity still lags far behind:

Councilmember Moore called out the low percentage of female applicants, noting that women said child care was a factor in their decisions, and saying she’d like to see “a plan” for addressing that. Scheduling challenges too. She also voiced concerns about problems such as sexual harassment that were raised in the recent “30 by 30” report – addressing SPD’s efforts in a nationwide initiative toward 30 percent female officers in sworn law enforcement. Chief Diaz said there’s a “women’s workgroup” and also noted that two-thirds of the SPD civilian staff is female.

Much time in the briefing was spent on the million-dollar-plus marketing/advertising plan for which SPD hired an outside agency; Burgess said its debut was followed by an “immediate uptick in applications.” Saka suggested later, though, that “we’re not going to market our way out of this,” but also offered that in addition to featuring the mayor and others, the marketing campaign should call attention to the changed council as well.

Besides spending money on advertising, SPD reps said they’re also strategizing with recruiters from private-sector companies and have meetings scheduled next month with firms including Microsoft, T-Mobile, and Nordstrom; they also talked about software programs they’re using to communicate more responsively with candidates. And they thanked councilmembers for their shows of support, such as attending roll calls at precincts. But they acknowledged that overall, the department lost more officers than it hired last year, so there is more work to do if they’re going to build back the numbers. (We’ll add video of today’s meeting when it’s available on the Seattle Channel website later.)

ADDED: Here’s the meeting video – this discussion starts 1 hour, 12 minutes in.

79 Replies to "City councilmembers briefed on what SPD is doing to try to hire more officers"

  • Thomas March 12, 2024 (1:10 pm)

    How serious is Seattle really, about hiring officers when surrounding cites are willing to pay so much more?

    • Kyle March 13, 2024 (11:37 am)

      Not that serious apparently. If I’m an applicant I care much more about my salary and career growth ladder than a small sign on bonus. 4 years to negotiate a new contract is insane. Resources need to be spent there to come to an agreement.

  • Keenan March 12, 2024 (1:26 pm)

    Keep going!  The blue line is almost where it needs to be – all the way at the bottom of that chart.

    We don’t need thousands of power-tripping goons armed with guns, itchy trigger fingers, and bad attitudes to handle most public safety issues. 

    There should be a small group of detectives who actually investigate crimes and apprehend criminals.  They can keep their guns, along with mandatory body cameras, extensive training, and comprehensive civilian oversight.

    There should be a much larger group of unarmed safety officers that can direct traffic, mange the flow of large groups pedestrians at events, respond to property crimes after the fact, and about 80% of the other miscellaneous crap that armed police shouldn’t be responsible for.

    Finally, there should be another group of trained mental health professionals and social workers to manage the homeless population and respond to anyone who needs them.  Those people don’t need guns either.

    • Alki resident March 12, 2024 (2:42 pm)

      You could’ve saved a lot of time by simply saying you’re a cop hater. I have two police officers in my family who dreamt of serving the community they live in. They took an oath and they stand by it. It’s pretty clear by your comment that you have no idea what it’s like to be a police officer or how they operate. 

      • Mel March 12, 2024 (2:53 pm)

        As the spouse of a police officer I agree! Keenan- I encourage to go on a few ride alongs. You may quickly realize why police officers need their service weapons. And why it has been a challenge for many cities to get mental health professionals to show up and do the job the cops have been doing. 

      • jedidiahperkins March 12, 2024 (3:56 pm)

        AlkiResident, I’m curious if your family members have ever mentioned any frustrations in dealing with people experiencing mental health crises or similar scenarios? I think it is a lot to ask of police officers to be cops, social workers, first responders, drug counselors, and so much more all in one job, when most of them just wanted to be cops. By breaking up the role into multiple positions, we would likely hire more qualified people across the board, while also taking a lot of the pressure off typical beat cops. It would be nice to have people trained to respond to the situations they are put in rather than someone who is just responding because it is their job. Hopefully that makes sense. 

        • Alki resident March 12, 2024 (5:07 pm)

          I think the biggest challenge is we’re very short police officers ever since the Summer of love took place. Police were being dismissed and treated like they were unwanted and useless by citizens. It’s very overwhelming to go to the repeat calls either daily or weekly and the courts are letting people out as fast as they come in. Nobody is doing the time for their crime in this state. As far as the mental issues, it’s been so hard to see so many overdoses and drug incidences of course, and no they shouldn’t have to wear so many hats for each call for sure. Their position definitely isn’t the same as it used to be here but if you go to other states, you’ll see cops doing the actual job they signed up for. I recommend befriending an officer sometime and get their prospective on things. Chances are you’ll leave learning quit a bit. 

      • heartless March 12, 2024 (4:05 pm)

        What if he doesn’t hate cops, but does hate armed, power-tripping goons with itchy trigger fingers and bad attitudes?  There’s a difference, right?   

        • Adam March 13, 2024 (7:58 am)

          Well, those are the words he used to describe cops. So where’s the confusion?

          • heartless March 14, 2024 (7:19 am)

            Well, you’re apparently confused because you think he was referring to all cops.  He clearly hates a$$%!@s–and you should too!–but that don’t make him a cop hater.  Unless, of course, you’re of the opinion that all cops are as he described.  Are you?  Or do you think there are some good cops?  And therein lies the confusion; it’s a nuanced point so take some time.

      • Just Trying in WS March 12, 2024 (4:11 pm)

        It’s frustrating to see such a curt and dismissive reply to what is a thoughtful and reasoned (if a bit snide to start) comment. We’re all just trying to live well together here in West Seattle or Seattle in general, right?Does anyone who thinks we should have more cops have an actually helpful reply to Keenan’s comment? Because I’m curious why the idea in Keenan’s comment is so undesirable to some people.

      • Derek March 12, 2024 (4:18 pm)

        So you have friends who are in the path of lightrail, friends next to Alki elementary, and cop friends. You have a “friend” for every story. You can just say how you feel without bringing up the strawman. Anyways, I think we should give less money to police because they aren’t even good at doing the current job given. I don’t understand why everyone is ready to hand over a large piece of budget to them when we have a housing crisis that would also help ease crime (as it would raise social equality floor).

        • CarDriver March 12, 2024 (5:00 pm)

          Derek. If an armed thief kicks in your door at 2am I take it you don’t want armed police responding. Instead, you would want an unarmed counselor to come and offer the burglar a variety of free services and then sit with you to help fill out insurance forms.

          • Keenan March 12, 2024 (8:09 pm)

            If an armed thief kicks in your door at 2am, you think the police would get there in time to help you?  You’ve got about 15 seconds to react buddy, I hope you have the means to defend yourself and your home.

            If that fantasy scenario of cops coming to the rescue against scary nighttime invaders is the best argument you have for maintaining a huge force of one size-fits-all armed cops instead of a more intelligently designed public safety force, well that says it all doesn’t it?

        • Robert March 12, 2024 (9:10 pm)

          Yes, we all know that you don’t understand. The last City Council killed police moral and seemed to think that pouring money into unaccountable social services would eliminate crime. Who knows. Maybe it would sometime around 2250. In the meantime some of us have to live now and we don’t like the lack of order and crime. People will not wait for the arrival of utopia in which all root causes have been addressed. Voters across that nation have elected center left city leaders in the hope for a responsible balance between addressing mental health and addiction with both law enforcement and social services. 

      • Jordan March 12, 2024 (4:40 pm)

        Perhaps if the police here in the city acted like decent human beings there wouldn’t be people who disliked them. Posted just a few days ago is a SPD officer slashing a cars tire on camera! 

      • Keenan March 12, 2024 (5:14 pm)

        So because you have two family members that are allegedly “good cops,” you unquestioningly support the specific current configuration of the Seattle police force, and anyone who imagines a less violent, more effective configuration is a “cop hater”?

        You could’ve saved a lot of time by simply saying you’re a reactionary authoritarian.

      • Kadoo March 12, 2024 (6:05 pm)

        Amen, Alki Resident. 

    • whataboutthecreedence March 12, 2024 (2:55 pm)

      You’re delusional. Human nature does not allow for what you described.

    • J March 12, 2024 (2:56 pm)

      Alki Resident needs to do a closer read of your post…a lot of police work is office work, community outreach…in short non-threatening work— and just as essential. 

    • Keenan is not smart March 12, 2024 (3:12 pm)

      Keenan,I hope your comment was meant as comedy. If not, you really have no basis in reality. 

    • Marcus March 12, 2024 (4:40 pm)

      Blah, Blah, Blah.  That attitude is the reason why we are in this mess Keenan.  

  • Seattlite March 12, 2024 (1:51 pm)

    One council member says the process is “clunky.”  There are two problems in my opinion.  The “clunky” process and the “clunky” policies.   Much has been written about police officers leaving cities that have “clunky” policies that directly affect police officers’ performance in the line of duty.  Many of you, like me, probably know police officers and retired police officers.  Seattle has had a problem keeping police officers for the past three plus years.  Police officers leave for retirement or to other cities and added to that is the problematic recruitment situation.  The city council and mayor need to re-evaluate this city’s “clunky” policies and “clunky” process.  Bottom line:  The city council’s and mayor’s number one job is to protect citizens.  Are they meeting their number one jobs’ expectations?  Are they working for you?  If so, how would you evaluate their performances?  Wouldn’t it be great if they had to report to their voters about their job performances.

  • Mighty Moh March 12, 2024 (2:12 pm)

    I don’t suppose they added in the average overtime pay that our police collect to their salary comparison.

    • Mel March 12, 2024 (2:54 pm)

      What does that have to do with it? Because they’re working overtime (often mandated to do so) because they’re short on bodies? Should they not be paid for all of the extra work?

      • Jort March 12, 2024 (5:39 pm)

        True story, Mel. Much of the city’s police overtime budget goes to staffing traffic management for concerts and sports events. Those cars aren’t going to direct themselves out of Taylor Swift concerts, are they? Better find some of the highest paid city employees to do that kind of high-skill, super-specialized work!

      • Mighty Moh March 13, 2024 (9:12 am)

        If you add the overtime, then the base salary of $83K is not the actual salary for the vast majority of officers (even new ones). But somehow the current take-home pay of base+promise of overtime isn’t enough to attract enough officers. Even if we don’t advertise it, prospective officers must know that they’ll get more than the base. I’m just saying that should be part of the comparison with other jurisdictions.Cost of living here is high, so I get that $83K isn’t a lot. Luckily, they can earn more than that for the foreseeable future. A lot of people are being priced out of Seattle, not just cops.

        • Mel March 13, 2024 (11:37 am)

          What?! That is not apples to apples at all. We should compare Redmond PD’s 40hr/week base pay to SPD’s 40hr/week base pay + their mandated overtime? Sure you make the same or slightly more but you’ll be required to hold over on your shift several days per week with little notice. 

    • Jort March 12, 2024 (5:29 pm)

      Nor did they compare the top pay scales. 

    • Highland Park March 12, 2024 (7:30 pm)

      Mighty Moh, OT (when served) does seem to add quite a bit to the base salary https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seattle-police-department-employees-made-at-least-200000-last-year-heres-how/

    • Adam March 13, 2024 (8:06 am)

      Ok, so is your answer to anyone who is underpaid to just work OT? Because a) that obviously means more than the average work week, and b) that means we’re paying more for overworked and tired cops and could be paying regular time to well-rested cops. That’s our money. If we think they’re a little assault-y, maybe we should have some fresh cops on the beat rather than someone who’s on hour 60 dealing with someone with mental health issues? I swear there’s no actual thought put into these ideas past trying to sound good to their peers. Policing is in a messy state first and foremost because they went unchecked for so long and some committed some very terrible crimes, many more just didn’t do a great job, and now the problem is made worse because a bunch of activists have tried to completely neuter them. Couldn’t the answer simply be let’s do a better job of hiring? Seems so simple. But it can’t be, because we’re polarized and ideologically aligned in a way that compromise with the opposing viewpoints somehow equates to defeat. This will get us nowhere. 

  • Whisky Woods March 12, 2024 (2:49 pm)

    WSB, what’s the capita of officer per 1000 people in a larger city?
    Seattle has how many people?
    $83K, ouch.. they should be a lot more!

    • WSB March 12, 2024 (9:43 pm)

      Haven’t found a reliable recent comparison from a source I’d trust.

  • T Anderson March 12, 2024 (2:51 pm)

    Clunky? At this point if every effort hasn’t already been made to streamline, reduce red tape and instill a sense of urgency from top to bottom it is inexcuseable. Current officers need help and community is desperate for policing.

  • Watertowerjim March 12, 2024 (3:10 pm)

    Ah, the good old summer of love strikes again!You reap what you sow.

    • Alki resident March 12, 2024 (5:08 pm)

      This is exactly what I’ve been saying, thank you. 

    • Jeff March 13, 2024 (12:15 pm)

      Why don’t police take responsibility for their sowing? Wasn’t their behavior what caused the backlash against them? 

      • Mel March 14, 2024 (8:39 am)

        You mean when Minneapolis police killed George Floyd? And then everyone did a 180 on SPD when months before they had been out appreciating them for their service during covid? Make it make sense.

  • Info March 12, 2024 (3:26 pm)

    If anyone wants a less biased chart from the 1st picture that sets the Y-axis at 0 and aligns both axis to the same grid line: WSB, do you know who came up with this chart on the slide deck?

    • WSB March 12, 2024 (9:45 pm)

      The presentation was by people from the mayor’s office and SPD. Who specifically made the chart? I don’t know. The full slide deck is linked above, and those generally don’t list authors (unless it’s embedded somewhere in metadata).

  • John Samson March 12, 2024 (3:58 pm)

    Get them a decent leading contract now! Get morale in the department back up and get the staffing up to a level where we can have a safe & clean city again. It seems as of recent with violent crimes such as home invasions and carjackings along with shootings we may need SPD to have a specific gang unit made and hopefully eventually an air unit with a helicopter to be able to safely track those who run from law enforcement. We seem to be one city that needs yet doesn’t have a police helicopter unit ! Let’s all support our police and let’s get morale up! 

    • WSB March 12, 2024 (9:48 pm)

      As you hopefully know, SPD uses the King County Sheriff’s Office Guardian One helicopter when needed, though it’s not always available (nor would an SPD-only chopper be ever-available too … there are limitations on flight hours and pilot hours, at least in my experience having been a manager in two TV newsrooms that at the time had their own helicopters.

  • TJ March 12, 2024 (4:43 pm)

    The process is clunky thanks loud mouth activists getting the ears of politicians in 2020. The first thing the council and mayor need to do is not give them the time of day, and then rebuild trust with the police. I know it takes a while to hire, train, and get officers on the street, but it gets old when years are going by. And Keenan, are the police in Seattle just the ones with bad attitudes and itchy trigger fingers? Not Bellevue, which has a fully staffed police force that upholds the law way more stringently than here, which the result is clean streets and way less crime. Seems like you just hate the police and your fantasy world where unarmed social workers can deal with the issues going on here isn’t reality 

  • Millie March 12, 2024 (5:03 pm)

    Thank you Seattlite for your comments.  Couldn’t agree more!

  • uncle loco March 12, 2024 (5:21 pm)

    Reading some of these comments gives you insight on why someone would be reluctant to pursue a career in law enforcement in Seattle.

  • Jort March 12, 2024 (5:27 pm)

    Is it possible that Seattle is having trouble attracting candidates because they don’t want to work with officers who do things like, oh, say, joke and laugh on camera in the aftermath of a speeding police officer killing a young woman crossing a street? Or put up mock tombstones  in their break rooms of black men they’ve killed? Or hang Trump flags in the workplace? That also might contribute to people not wanting to join? Maybe? Or, yeah, maybe it’s just that we’re not giving them enough free cars and free housing? Or maybe because our city council doesn’t worship them adequately to their liking? Sure. You know, Seattle Police may be struggling to attract quality candidates because Seattle Police have not shown themselves to be a particularly welcoming work environment. Maybe people don’t want to join because there’s a lot of evidence of a serious culture problem. I sure don’t hear much about that from the usual internet commentariat. Somehow I am sure, 50 years from now, this will still all somehow be Kshama Sawant’s fault, or maybe we can blame a West Seattle Blog commentator who said a mean thing one time.  

    • Seattlite March 12, 2024 (8:05 pm)

      What a snide, biased rant against Seattle’s police officers.  Everything you said in your comment is the antithesis of my and many others’ experience with Seattle’s police officers.  What do you mean by “evidence of a serious culture problem”?   Do you have any hard-evidence of culture problems at SPD?

    • Derek March 12, 2024 (8:48 pm)

      Amen Jort. Dead on. 

    • Neal March 12, 2024 (9:43 pm)

      It’s an interesting assertion, but no, there’s no evidence of that. Making stuff up that conforms with what you want to believe is not the answer.

      • Jort March 13, 2024 (8:01 am)

        Making stuff up? No evidence? My friend, have you read a newspaper in the last 5 years? The tombstone and Trump flag were well covered, along with laughing about killing a woman.  I’m not “making stuff up,” this is well-documented with video evidence. 

        • Neal March 14, 2024 (8:17 am)

          You linked those issues directly to hiring and there is no evidence to support that link at all. Fascinating how your response is to argue that one part of what you said is true, but that doesn’t make what you actually argued true.

        • heartless March 14, 2024 (8:56 am)

          Don’t forget regularly ignoring direct orders from the Chief of Police, even in matters of public health! (Bonus for you, Seattlite & Neal, this article has “serious cultural issue” literally in the headline)

          https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-police-ignored-orders-to-mask-up-exposing-serious-cultural-issue-report-says/

          ps
          If you, Seattlite, and you, Neal, ever start to feel guilty about making others do your homework for you–Google is your friend (well, in this case enemy, since it shows you’re both idiots who have no clue what you’re talking about–but you get my drift!).

          • Neal March 14, 2024 (10:45 am)

            Where in that article does it link “cultural issues” as judged by an outside agency to hiring issues. Jort’s argument was they can’t hire because no one wants to work with them because of these issues. There is zero evidence of that link. Instead of acknowledging that you can’t support that link, you all keep posting articles or references to issues with SPD. No one is going to argue with your article about how an outside agency found it was tough to get officers to wear masks as the peak of COVID, but you want to make a big assumption to get to the actual argument that was made.

          • heartless March 14, 2024 (1:25 pm)

            Well, for me I was responding to how Seattlite was astonished that anyone could think there were any problems in the SPD, writing “What do you mean by “evidence of a serious culture problem”?   Do you have any hard-evidence of culture problems at SPD?”.  Seattlite chooses to ignore all the problems in SPD, so let’s rub their face in all the evidence of problems.  End of story.

            But you seem to want a link between SPD’s “issues” (to put it nicely) and problems hiring?  Ok, sure, let me continue to do your homework for you:

            https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/female-spd-employees-describe-sexual-harassment-discrimination-in-report/

            Cliff notes: 1) SPD is an awful place to work if you’re a woman. 
            2) SPD “…has struggled to retain and hire female staff.” 

            IS THERE A LINK BETWEEN THESE TWO THINGS?  UMMM, GEE, WHO KNOWS!

            But look, if after all that you still want to make the argument that SPD being awful isn’t deterring anyone from joining them… I mean, have at it–but I’m not sure that’d be the win you think it is.

          • WSB March 14, 2024 (2:04 pm)

            The report from which the Times story is drawn was produced by SPD itself, and is linked in the story above.

    • WS Res March 12, 2024 (10:21 pm)

      Don’t forget the gender discrimination and retaliation.

  • Mark March 12, 2024 (7:00 pm)

    When I need help, I want the police to be there. I don’t blame new officers from passing on Seattle after the way they have been and continue to be treated. Why would the best officers want to work here? Do you make disparaging comments. about everyone?

    • We Need PoPo March 12, 2024 (8:04 pm)

      I think what Jort, Keenan and the other cop hating people don’t realize is that the less cops we have, the more guns there will be in our city. I personally hate guns but I also know that there are not nearly enough cops in this city to protect us in a timely matter. A year ago we had someone casing houses on our block. They realized I was home and proceeded to leave my yard and go into my neighbors yard and walk to the side of his house. I went outside and called my neighbor while my other neighbor noticed what was happening and called 911. My neighbor came out of his house and yelled at the person who then walked down the block and disappeared. Needless to say the cops never showed up. It was at this point that I realized that we don’t have enough cops and are on our own. I have now been seriously considering buying a gun to protect my house and I know multiple other people who feel the same way. Keenan and Jort is this the result you want? Do you want the citizens to go out and buy more guns to defend themselves? The answer isn’t defunding the police. We need more funding and better training to attract higher quality candidates to do such a difficult job and most importantly we need the love and support of the city to these dedicated heroes who are risking their lives for us

      • Keenan March 13, 2024 (8:55 am)

        We could have 10,000 armed police, I’d still own a gun to protect my own life and home.  It’s not “cop hating” to understand the reality that if someone broke into my own home with unlawful intent, no one is coming to help me fast enough.

        That being said, I fully support extensive background checks, banning assault rifles and extended magazines, strict licensing, and mandatory safety training for gun owners.  I also know that gun ownership is a personal choice and wouldn’t force it on anyone or judge you for not owning one.

        I vehemently disagree with your premise that fewer cops would lead to more gun violence.  I don’t accept the false dichotomy between maintaining a huge force of one-size-fits all armed police that operate with impunity, and complete wild west anarchy.

        As I said in my original post – there is a better way.  No one wants to eliminate all cops – we just need to narrow the focus of police to actual police work (investigating crime and apprehending criminals) and make sure only well trained, level headed people have the honor and responsibility of being able to used armed force against fellow citizens.  The vast majority of what is today considered “police work” (aka directing traffic, crowd control, responding to property crime, community outreach, etc..) should be handled by unarmed safety officers, mental health specialists, social workers, and a number of other specialized roles.

        A more intelligently designed force would INCREASE trust in the police and DECREASE incidents of police abuse of power and excessive use of violence that has lead to such JUSTIFIED backlash against the police in recent years.  

    • Derek March 12, 2024 (8:13 pm)

      Are you saying officers are so mentally weak they can’t take criticism?  THOSE are who we want in charge?

      • Dog Whisperer March 13, 2024 (8:21 am)

        They’re no more mentally weak than any other dedicated workers. Why do you hate those sworn to protect you?

        • heartless March 13, 2024 (12:36 pm)

          Fun fact here, our lovely Supreme Court ruled some time back that police are NOT actually obligated to protect you, so take that “sworn to protect” hogwash with a grain or two of salt, yeah?

  • Robert March 12, 2024 (9:00 pm)

    sense of urgency,” Moore said. – That’s key. She had the courage to have police take action when a few protesters tried to interfere with the functioning of our democratic government  .  In some of the earlier comments we heard from a few cop haters.  Thankfully we voted out their friends on city council. But the reputation of Seattle as an anti police city lingers.  We need both more urgency and some dramatic action that captures national attention saying we are no longer that kind of city.

  • Tony March 12, 2024 (9:05 pm)

    The comments about hiring more unarmed personnel including mental health therapists and social workers always makes me chuckle.Where exactly do you expect to find these people who would be willing to put their life and their safety on the line and take these positions???I am a licensed social worker myself and I can’t imagine any of my peers applying to such a position. Do people not realize that the majority of social workers and therapists are left wing and don’t like law enforcement? Those that preach about hiring more social workers are the same types that believe in some sort of utopian society. It doesn’t exist. 

    • Mel March 13, 2024 (6:31 am)

      This! Yes, Tony. My spouse is an officer and has a mental health professional in his car often. They’ve said that many in their profession have no interest in doing what they do even with an armed officer in tow. Let alone showing up to 911 calls without police present.These people also currently only work day shift. They have even less interest in working overnight, holidays, weekends. So what then? It might sound great in reality but people who float these ideas often haven’t talked to the people who are actually doing the job.

    • Canton March 13, 2024 (6:32 am)

      Spot on, well said.

    • Keenan March 13, 2024 (9:06 am)

      Comments about “utopian societies that don’t exist” always make me chuckle.

      Have you been outside of the United States ever in your life?  Did you know police in England don’t usually carry guns?  They don’t in Japan either.  Do you think people in England or Japan are somehow genetically less violent than people America?

      Of course not.  People behave based on how society is configured, and respond to incentives.   We can redesign systems and change incentives to better serve our needs.  You can claim all day that “it would never work here!” but that is simply wrong.  Have some courage and imagine a better way.

      • Purple Pilot March 13, 2024 (9:15 pm)

        People respond to incentives…and consequences.  Completely agree.  A reduction in armed police and a system that doesn’t present consequences for bad behavior, produces more bad behavior.  Keenan you seem against an armed police force…why do you own a gun?

        • Keenan March 14, 2024 (6:44 am)

          Read my other posts, I already addressed that.  Twice.

          The idea that more armed police is the only model that can deliver “consequences for bad behavior” is false, simplistic, police propaganda.   You,  and many other reactionary authoritarians on this blog,  seem to have have internalized that propaganda so thoroughly that it breaks your brains when anyone points out there are other, more effective, less violent models out there that other countries have successfully implemented.  Instead of considering alternatives,  people emotionally react and immediately brand anyone questioning the status quo as a “cop hater.”

          It really is quite sad, this aging, vestigial, pocket of backwards reactionary thinking in an otherwise quite progressive city.   Well, times are changing buddy, and people like me are taking over this town.  Get with the times.

      • quiz March 13, 2024 (9:34 pm)

        You understand that very few people in England and Japan can legally possess firearms, yeah? Policing in those countries is very different. People in those countries aren’t genetically less violent, they’re just less deadly when they become violent.Until we can flip a magical switch that makes all the guns go away in the US, we need armed police. This isn’t complicated.

        • Keenan March 14, 2024 (7:05 am)

          I agree, what can possibly go wrong!

          If criminals are armed, the police should be more armed!  But then criminals will be even more more armed, so we’ll not only need armed police we’ll need SWAT teams with military grade weapons and full body armor.  It’s almost like the opposing groups are racing to keep up.  We could call it… an arms race!  When has such a thing ever spiraled out of control before?

          Back to reality – armed police are only one component of public safety.  Yes, we need a small, well regulated, well trained, group of them.  We also need housing for the homeless, a social safety net, jobs programs, social services, community outreach, humane rehabilitation programs, well funded mental health institutions, well funded and effective prosecutors and courts, and so on.

          You don’t need to look at a Star Trek utopia to see this in action.  Look at Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Europe, Scandinavia, etc.  All of those places allow their citizens to legally purchase and own guns and they all have much better public safety outcomes than we do.

  • DemandCurve March 12, 2024 (9:07 pm)

    Its hard to hire when officers run a very real risk of felony imprisonment for handling violent criminals roughly and the city is all too happy to throw them under the bus no matter what the bodycam shows.  

    • Jeff March 13, 2024 (12:18 pm)

      Ah yes, let’s beef up police brutality and rollback to 1992!

  • RLS March 13, 2024 (8:58 am)

    The lack of officers and increased crime is just another symptom of the abysmal failure that has been the  Seattle City Council, prosecuting attorney, and the mayor’s office, for several years now.      Hopefully under Harrell and a more pragmatic council, we will see improvement.   

  • jedidiahperkins March 13, 2024 (2:08 pm)

    For everyone who believes the police are sworn to protect and serve: in the cases DeShaney vs. Winnebago and Town of Castle Rock vs. Gonzales, the Supreme Court ruled that police agencies are not obligated to provide protection of citizens. In other words, police are well within their rights to pick and choose when to intervene to protect the lives and property of others — even when a threat is apparent.

    Interestingly enough, both violent crime and property crime have been decreasing year over year since 2021, according to SPD’s own statistics. I’m not sure why they continue to spread false narratives that we are in some kind of crime wave that Seattle has never seen before. In the 90’s we had twice the amount of crime and a much smaller population, despite having the same number of cops on the street as we do now, according to SPD. So, it actually sounds like we are doing pretty well on crime.

  • Jonathan Smith March 13, 2024 (4:08 pm)

    It’s comical to me and just pure nonsense and insanity when people are victimized by crime & criminals yet say we don’t need more police. More police are just part of an equation of solutions we need for a safer society along with proactive measures to prevent crime to begin with, we also need prosecutors who are willing to prosecute all criminals to the fullest extent of the law especially with repeat violent offenders and most importantly the part we are missing now is judges who will be hard on crime & criminals especially those repeat offenders who are unsafe and not meant to be roaming free in our society any longer. Hope SPD gets the well overdue contract they deserve asap and hope with this new council & mayor Harrell police morale will continue to rise. Police who feel appreciated by citizens and politicians will ultimately be more effective in their jobs. Just because there are a few bad cops that fell through the cracks doesn’t mean we throw the whole department out. That’s ridiculous logic and leads to where we were today with more brazen crime where all tax paying citizens and businesses ultimately pay the price time and time again. SPD we support you & your fight for a new competitive contract! 

    • Derek March 13, 2024 (6:25 pm)

      I don’t get your blind support. That’s fine. But teachers deserve overtime more than cops. Teachers even have a more dangerous job on average. 

      • Mel March 14, 2024 (8:42 am)

        Show me stats that being a teacher is more dangerous. Their jobs may not be a walk in the park but if you spent two weeks in both roles I bet you’d be begging to be a teacher.

    • heartless March 14, 2024 (8:44 am)

      Hi,
      I’d like to know why you believe more police and more prosecution and stricter sentencing would result in less crime. Is it just a feeling?  Does it just make sense? 

      I guess I’m curious because I’ve found that nearly all of the studies that have been done, studies done by people who spend their whole lives looking at causes and rates of crime, don’t support your belief that more police and more prosecution and stricter sentencing reduce crime in a  society. 

      There seems to be a big discrepancy between how you think the world works, and how the world actually works, and I was wondering if you wanted to address that by explaining more why you think, for example, stricter sentencing would reduce crime (research supporting your claim, if it’s not too much to ask, would very much interest me as well). Thank you.

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