School attendance-map flap: Roxhill Elementary toes the line

(Editor’s note: School Board member Steve Sundquist has another community meeting this morning, 10 am at Delridge Library)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

“We all know the line has to be drawn somewhere, but — right across the street?”

So asked one of the 25+ people who crowded into Roxhill Elementary School‘s library Tuesday night to try to find out from Seattle School Board member Steve Sundquist why the Roxhill attendance area in the new Student Assignment Plan has one headscratcher:

When the West Seattle lines were redrawn, for the maps that were finalized with few amendments last month, the western boundary of Roxhill’s attendance area moved several blocks east, and now goes down the middle of 30th SW .. yards from where the school sits on the east side of that street (note the school icon next to the boundary line in the map section shown above).

That means there are several houses whose residents literally can look directly out their front windows and see Roxhill – but would be expected by the district to send kids to Arbor Heights Elementary, a mile away, as their “neighborhood school.”


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As one attendee put it, “We live across the street. There are five kids on this street. So starting next year, we’ll have to drive them to Arbor Heights. Or they could ride a school bus, Sundquist suggested; the attendee retorted “we’ve already heard there might not be a bus.”

The 30th SW line isn’t the only proximity-vs.-attendance-area quirk created by the map revision; some homes in Gatewood/Upper Fauntleroy that are a few blocks west of Chief Sealth High School were moved into the West Seattle High School attendance area.

Roxhill principal Carmela Dellino stressed as she opened the meeting that she supports the district’s move to neighborhood schools, but had heard many people express concerns about the final boundaries, so that’s why they asked for a meeting.

Among those with concerns, May Ovalles from the Roxhill PTSA, saying that even when the revised boundaries came out, there was no written indication that the school’s boundaries had changed to the north as well as to the west, in the written report – you had to look closely at the map.

The meeting then was handed over to Sundquist (to Ovalles’ right in the photo above), who began, “One thing we have to recognize – of all the parts in the city, we were perhaps most disadvantaged by the mistake that was made with the first set of maps. I think you’re aware that the first set didn’t line up middle and high-school boundaries. West Seattle is the only place in the city where that’s a requirement” – because of the district’s decision to have Chief Sealth HS and Denny International Middle School share a campus.

He first had discussed that mistake when meeting with three north West Seattle schools’ PTAs (WSB coverage here), but the district’s fix for the problem wasn’t made public till the revised maps were made public.

In addition to the conundrum of the boundary line being just yards from the school, parents and staffers expressed puzzlement at the fact the attendance area for Roxhill had been reduced, while the area for Arbor Heights had increased – while that school, Sundquist said, was going to get two portables to increase its capacity. The south area needed more elementary capacity, he explained, saying he was told Arbor Heights was the only place that portables could be added without taking up space needed for other campus features such as playgrounds.

“But it makes more sense that people (near) Roxhill could come here, instead of going to Arbor Heights to be in portables,” one attendee protested.

Replied Sundquist, “I’m just trying to help you understand the logic the district used.”

He also was asked to explain why the map change took Gatewood Elementary out of the Denny/Sealth attendance area and put Sanislo Elementary into it; he repeated what he had said at an earlier community meeting (WSB coverage here), that the first version of the maps drew an outcry (“tremendous amount of communication”) from the Sanislo community because “they identified more south than north.”

And he acknowledged that while he had backed some map amendments before the final vote, trying to resolve boundary issues affecting a few north West Seattle elementaries, he had consciously chosen not to propose an amendment regarding the Roxhill boundary, saying district staff warned him that if the change was made, the school would be projected at significant overenrollment – 62 more students by 2015 than its “functional capacity” suggests it has room to hold.

The students in the area west of 30th also will be affected dramatically, attendees suggested, because of what they’ll face if they have to walk to school, crossing two busy arterials (Roxbury and 35th) to get to Arbor Heights. A letter was read from a longtime crossing guard who has worked at Barton/30th, quoting her as saying the Police Department’s crossing-guard program has no reserves to call on to help those students get safely to Arbor Heights: “The school district and board need to consider the extreme danger the kids on the west side of 30th will have.”

While Sundquist made no commitments about proposing anything to alleviate the Roxhill parents/staffers’ concerns, he was told near meeting’s end, “You need to go back to the drawing board — you’re saying ‘neighborhood schools’ but you’re putting us on the altar of expediency. I believe there is a logical solution to this, but drawing the line on 30th is not the solution when you’re putting portables at arbor heights.” That was greeted with applause.

PTSA’s Ovalles also raised a thorny side issue, asking Sundquist about a quote in which he said he didn’t often hear from Roxhill parents. He said that was not meant to be a slam, but rather a statement of fact. One attendee asked if he has translators at his community “coffee hour” meetings, which could bring more Roxhill participation, as the school has many parents for whom English is a second language. He said no, the meetings are something he arranges on his own time, and he doesn’t have access to translators; it was suggested he check into possible translator services that could be facilitated by the PTA Council.

WHAT’S NEXT: Proposed map changes are not expected to be likely, but “rule changes” to the Student Assignment Plan could be proposed – such as the expected one to address “sibling grandfathering,” the issue of whether future-student siblings will be grandfathered into out-of-zone schools current students now attend; Sundquist said families have been sent surveys so the district can determine possible impacts of options in that area. These issues and no doubt others will all come up when the board reconvenes after the holidays. Meantime, as noted atop this story, Sundquist’s next community “coffee hour” meeting is 10-11:30 am today, Delridge Library.

17 Replies to "School attendance-map flap: Roxhill Elementary toes the line"

  • Jack Loblaw December 16, 2009 (6:15 am)

    Is this really the best effort that the Seattle school district can put forward ? I grew up across the street from Roxhill and attended it when it was brand new in the 60’s — the boundaries ( before the social engineering experiment of mandatory fuel wasting, tax dollar wasting bussing ) was Roxbury on the South, 35th Ave SW on the West, Delridge on the East and Thistle on the North. It really doesn’t take much of an effort to take a pin and a string and measure a 1 mile radius around a school to figure out walking distance. Possibly if the folks who drew these maps were to study a little history and remove politics from their decisions there would have been a better more logical boundary map.

  • k December 16, 2009 (8:20 am)

    @jack– unfortuantely it’s all based on demographics now. How many kids are in the neighborhood. And I hope how many kids live on each street. I teach at a Beacon Hill school that has had our area shrunk significantly. We don’t know what this will mean for our program, other than we may have to significantly cut staff. Based on past experience with demographers’ projections, I don’t think the numbers can be trusted.

  • Gina December 16, 2009 (12:55 pm)

    The city limits of Seattle end at Roxbury. And the Highline School district begins on the other side. Is there an exchange between Highline and Seattle Public schools?

  • VBD December 16, 2009 (2:36 pm)

    The south side (Roxbury) is the Seattle border. The West side (30th) is the issue. Now kids who live in the district, but across the street from the school are bussed off. A similar problem exists with the middle and High schools. Kids who live just 5 blocks away from Denny are bussed 5 miles north to Madison.

    The whole thing was a shoddy plan that was changed last minute without allowing adequate consideration.

  • wsparent December 16, 2009 (4:31 pm)

    Completely feel for the Roxhill parents. We’re in the same boat … boundaries that moved two blocks pushing several families in my neighbood to an elementary school that is further away with a more dangerous route. We collectively engaged in the process thinking we’d be heard or at least listened to. To say the least, we are more than disenchanted by Sundquists’ ability to provide specific reasons/datapoints for the change other than a shrug.

  • sw December 16, 2009 (5:11 pm)

    Sundquist is just paying lip service at these community meetings and isn’t going to stick his neck out for anyone. He may need a vote to go his way in the future and won’t call in a favor if he doesn’t think it has a chance of passing.

    Hence the Gatewood/Sanislo map “swap” occurring for the sole reason of “we heard from a LOT of Sanislo parents.” That wasn’t based on data, it was an easy response to a potentially sticky situation. We hadn’t heard of a need for Gatewood to defend itself and the Denny-Sealth feeder path which we’d been developing on our own for the past few years.

    West Seattle does present a difficult situation with the schools that are in the middle – hopefully there will be an amendment that gives some choice or reserves more seats at Denny for proximity. Presently, we’re a few blocks from Denny and my kid who goes there could not continue on the same campus to Sealth and would be schlepped to WSHS.

  • chas redmond December 16, 2009 (7:16 pm)

    Still happy with your choice of School Board electeds? Maria, where are you?

  • mayo December 17, 2009 (7:17 pm)

    I am still shaking my head after this meeting. Part of Mr. Sundquist’s reasons for not putting forth an amendment for Roxhill’s boundary was that he would not be able to get the votes, because of the over enrollment issue. This over enrollment issue is the projected 2015 enrollment numbers. This projection – over 5 years – will it hold up any better than their projections for schools closed over the past year? The district has consistently over enrolled for choice, they do not do anything for huge under enrollment projections (40% for Madison) yet, they will not adjust a recommended boundary, put together in 2 weeks, after a huge MISTAKE over Middle & High school boundaries. The decision to not publish corrected maps put many elementary families in the dark in an already tight timeline for feedback. So we all pay for their mistakes.

    That, and they will put elementary students at risk, by making them walk to another school (not all parents can drive their kids to school Mr. Sundquist!) all in order to prevent “over enrollment” for 2015!

    The next election for West Seattle’s school board seat can’t come soon enough!

  • luckymom30 December 18, 2009 (3:46 pm)

    Hey May what about starting a petition and sending parents down to Seattle School Headquarters like the parents of Arbor Heights did last year? This is not right to switch children living so near a school and force them walking to a school so far away. You are so right many parents do not have the option of driving their children to school like parents at other nearby schools, including Arbor Heights basically for the reason they must be at work or do not own a car.

    As a fellow Roxhill parent I am appalled that Steve Sundquist is so unwilling to provide an interpeter so more parents can attend his meetings. Regardless if it is on his own time he chose to be on the School Board, went up for election and his job as part of the School Board is to represent each and every school with respect, integrity and compassion which in my opinion he is not capable of doing with his current attitude.

    I will be most happy when our daughter is no longer attending Seattle Public Schools.

  • luckymom30 December 18, 2009 (3:50 pm)

    It is disturbing for me to hear that Carmella Dellino, principal at Roxhill isn’t fighting harder for her students and parents against this boundries change.

  • wsnorth December 18, 2009 (5:49 pm)

    It is obvious that too many schools were closed in West Seattle. It is not just Roxhill and Arbor Heights that will suffer. We live mere blocks from both Lafayette and Schmitz park (both severely overloaded, run down, and already using portables), and we were assigned to yet a third school – Alki, that there is no safe or practical way to walk to with kids. This is appalling, back to the drawing board is right!!

  • luckymom30 December 18, 2009 (8:03 pm)

    Arbor Heights will not suffer, they saved their school and Cooper was closed and Pathfinder was relocated to the Cooper building. Roxhill students and families will suffer because the District will not be providing any transportation to Arbor Heights. Yes, I agree that there are many Seattle schools that will suffer the consequences of the School Board’s decision to move students from neighborhood schools and attend other schools out of their neighborhood. It makes no sense. Again, I will be truly happy when the day comes and our child does not attend any Seattle Public School.

    Arbor Heights was sucessful in their fight to save their school, why don’t all the schools effected by these boundary changes rally together and form a united front against these changes. Did we the parents and families vote these board member into office? They should be working for us, not against us.

  • wsnorth December 18, 2009 (9:48 pm)

    luckymom, I agree with you, but I do think schools and students suffer when portables are brought in and schools are overcrowded. It sounds like this is what will happen to Arbor Heights now. After school closings, the district added 1 extra class of Kindergarten students to our local elementary that was already overcrowded. The halls, cafeteria, library, and Gymn are all too small to handle this overcrowding. School events are a zoo. Just when it seemed like things were getting better (a few years ago)….

  • luckymom30 December 18, 2009 (10:47 pm)

    WSNorth – Which is worse to force children that live across the street from the neighborhood school or within walking distance to attend another school that is not within safe walking distance from their homes (the district will not be providing bus transportation) or to have a portable or 2 built to accomodate those students? It is a no-win situation.

    I still think we should all join forces.

  • luckymom30 December 19, 2009 (12:38 pm)

    Maybe if more parents had sent there children to their neighborhood schools in the first place and given the teachers a chance we would not be in this mess. I know far too many parents who still believe that certain schools are far better because of the track-record of the students, maybe if they had or would be willing to send their children to neighborhood schools and expose their childrens learning ability to the other students that may be alittle further behind everyone would succeed alot easier. I know there is an ignorance that unfortunately still exist and it has got to stop!

    Yes it is completely unfair to expect your child to attend that is over-crowded but it also highly unfair to force children and parents to send there children to schools outside of their neighborhood without providing transportation since it is not the parents of these children who are selecting the new school for their children, but the District.

    The whole reason behind having the portables built on Arbor Heights campus is because of the over-crowding of students and because far too many parents are under the idealogy that Arbor Heights is the far better school compared to other area and neighborhood schools and they are the ones who chose their children to attend Arbor Heights being it is out of their reference and neighborhood area. So again, if parents had not been given the option of sending their children to any school of their choosing we would not be having this discussion, hundreds of children would not be forced from their neighborhood schools.

    Why is their a dividing line between the Seattle schools? Why are some schools given special attention and treatment and their students are given far more opportunities than other Seattle schools? I think we should have the same opportunities for all students regardless of which school they attend and how big or small their PTA is and have all schools more uniform in opportunities.

  • luckymom30 December 19, 2009 (1:12 pm)

    We also have several friends at Gatewood and other schools and they too are being jerked around. It is ultimately the students who are paying the price for these insane decisions.

  • wsnorth December 20, 2009 (12:32 pm)

    Insane is right! The more I learn about this the more surreal it seems. The district talks about a “scorecard” for its performance. Look what has happened to us in the last few years here in WS?

    Issue / Score

    Students = ZERO

    Closures = 2 (both in the “North”)

    Overcrowding = 3 (Lafayette, Schmitz Park, Arbor Heights)

    Completly Irrational boundaries/tearing neighborhoods apart = 4 (above 3 plus Roxhill)

    Irratic movement of students = 3 (displaced Cooper students went “South”, now their smaller sib’s will go “North”, West Seattle Elementary has always been “North cluster”, now will be South and Gatewood the opposite)

    Radical population imbalance = 4 (Denny/Sealth full, Madison/WSH 35% “open” seats)

    You couldn’t make up a more bizarre scenario! Looks like 16 – Zip to me

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