Protect us from plastic bag, not guns

[JoB]

I can see how your argument breaks down in the face of how little supervision and regulation there is of legal gun ownership.

Things get right nasty when you are faced with fact.. don’t they.

You are more regulated and educated when you take a pet home from the local humane society than when you buy a gun.

But i can see where the right of any individual to purchase and carry a concealed weapon that they may or may not even know how to fire safely is more important than keeping weapons out of parks.

talk about an emotional argument…

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[beachdrivegirl]

JoB no one was calling people names they were calling people out on topics off hand. Personally I find this an intellectual debate and if you can not put your personal feelings aside in one then do not participate it is that simple.

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[beachdrivegirl]

I think most of the posters, at least mine, point is that a gun in a park is not and will never be the issue it is an irrational band aid solution to make those affected, personally and emotionally, feel better in some odd way

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[JoB]

By the way children, i think TR asked us more than once to stop making personal remarks about people…

and that includes their right to or not to post as long as they are not making personal remarks about other people.

Now, i think you find this much easier to take if you would just find yourself some chocolate syrup and drizzle that over some vanilla bean ice cream .. adding your favorite sprinkle.. mine is dark chocolate.. to the top.

i always find things just go better with ice cream.

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[JoB]

beachdrivegirl..

to the contrary.

guns in the hands of people who don’t know or don’t care how to use them safely are a threat to public safety in any public arena.

it’s not a bandaid or a sop to make someone feel better.. to consider legislation that would keep them out of our parks.

There is no valid reason for them to be there other than the fact that it is not currently illegal to take them there.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Well JoB that is where our opinions differ. I do not believe that by banning guns in certain areas make us safer. IMO, it makes those irresponsible gun owners, those very ones that you mention in your post, hide their guns. And when irresponsible gun owners hide their guns things go bad and it is harder for the government to regulate. Very much like the drugs scenerio that JT mentioned. if you are making it so irresponsible individuals have to hide their problem we (the public) cant recognize nor find real solution to solve it.

cheers,

one of , in your opinion, children!

PS by calling me a child isn’t that not even borderline but IS a personal attack and name calling!

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[WSB]

As JoB noted, yes, please stop with the personal remarks. I would like to not have to close/delete more threads and discussions. At this very moment we have a new technical consultant working on a variety of upgrades that will include “ignore this user” and “report this post” type features (among other forum and site enhancements of a much friendlier nature) but it’s probably going to be a couple weeks till implementation, so until then, please e-mail us about rules violations

editor@westseattleblog.com

We are trying to monitor more closely, which is why I piped up in another thread earlier tonight – I happened to check out that thread because it was a topic in which I’m personally interested, and noticed that the previous several posts were starting to go awry. We still are not going to catch things that quickly so notes are appreciated until then. – TR

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[mellaw6565]

BDG says: “I think most of the posters, at least mine, point is that a gun in a park is not and will never be the issue it is an irrational band aid solution to make those affected, personally and emotionally, feel better in some odd way”

That’s not my opinion and certainly not the majority opinion on here as you suggest, BDG. This was a pretty easy going disagreement until tonite. Even the original poster said he wasn’t necessarily opposed to gun control in general.

This topic started about one piece of proposed legislation – that’s what I’ve tailored my remarks to.

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[JoB]

LOL..

beachdrivegirl.. don’t you get it? irresponsible gun owners are already hiding their guns in their purses and on their ankles right now.. and they are carrying them into places you go all of the time.

How much less regulated could they get than they are now?

We don’t find out about irresponsible gun owners until their guns kill someone… or they are killed with their guns.

And we label those incidents tragedies… as though they couldn’t have been prevented.

At least i had the honesty to label my cousin irresponsible for inadvertently making the gun that killed her in her bath available to an imbalanced teenage boy.

Believe me, no-one was ever charged in that shooting. The boy who did it killed himself and the rest of the household didn’t survive.

The only member of that family to survive was the estranged husband who no longer lived in the house.

There was no outcry at the irresponsibility of giving the combination of a gun safe to a teenage boy who would share it with his friends. It was reported as a tragic accident.

And that is just one story. it happens to be one i am intimately involved in, but it is not the only gun tragedy i know. I have a friend who killed her child as he snuck back into their house after sneaking out to get drunk. And i lived down the street in a very good neighborhood from someone whose child killed the child next door playing with a gun that wasn’t supposed to be loaded.

Those people and their families are shattered.. and it was all preventable had they had a little more respect for the guns in their homes.

I held my first gun as little more than a toddler.. which appalls me as an adult.. and my first lesson was how to put the safety on. I could break down and reassemble a weapon when i still had strength in my hands. I was a sharp shooter… outshooting my stepdad by the time i was 12. I come from a law enforcement and military family. I know a lot about guns and gun safety.

If anyone is competent to own and carry a weapon, i am. And i choose not to.

i am not ant-gun.

But i am not in favor of those who don’t know anything about guns owning and carrying them concealed into public spaces.

If they are irresponsible with their gun at home, they are likely to injure only themselves and their loved ones.

If they are irresponsible with their guns in public, they put me at risk..

and i really don’t like getting threatened with a gun or shot at. It is one of the most frightening things that can happen to you..even if you don’t get hit.

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[JoB]

beachrivegirl…

if you believe you were indulging in childish behavior.. then, yes, i called you child.

if you weren’t, i didn’t.

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[beachdrivegirl]

“beachdrivegirl.. don’t you get it? irresponsible gun owners are already hiding their guns in their purses and on their ankles right now.. and they are carrying them into places you go all of the time.”–banning is not the regulation that is going to be a solution. you think they hide them now! imagine how they will hide them or what they will come up with when it is a crime just to be in possession of one. IMO, regulation that could be a solution includes: having stricter requirements to own and possess a gun. have more gun owners and gun resellers held to a higher level of accountability etc.

“But i am not in favor of those who don’t know anything about guns owning and carrying them concealed into public spaces”–so you are against our constitution.. odd just a months ago i remember you being very concerned that are current president was breaking the constitution and violating your rights by passing legislation to spy on individuals. Sure seems like a double standard to me. But thats just my opinion.

“and i really don’t like getting threatened with a gun or shot at.”

and if i recall, someone posed that very question at the beginning of this thread. How many people have ever seen a gun in a park and out of the hundreds that reads these forums everyday only you had seen this happen. That is less than 1% of the population … so yes imo banning guns in public parts is not needed.

“We don’t find out about irresponsible gun owners until their guns kill someone… or they are killed with their guns.”

Funny also that from every statistic i have looked @ it looks like people arent being killed in public parks! Shocker its peoples private homes and drive bys on shocker private property!! Just another reason why IMO our city is not facing the gun regulation issue at hand but just passing band aid regulations to make those with emotional ties to accidental shootings feel better.

And to answer your question no i think i was one of the few more mature posts prior to your outcall of childish behavior i just assumed you were trying to call me a child since your posts followed mine. i think being able to debate and get past my emotional feelings and stay on topic is mature.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Mellaw- I am not against gun control. I also think that some of the posters that you are debating with also arent against gun control. What I am against is the government trying to pass regulation for gun control that actually has no correlation (at least from the statistics) that i have looked at to the actual gun problems in our city.

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[Dunno]

This is a working weekend for me, or I would be in Lincoln City.

I think our constitution need to be changed to make owning a gun a privledge, not a right. Just like a permit for driving a car. In other threads I’ve already stated, illegally owned guns should carry harsh penalties.

Yes, it is offensive to see name calling and underhanded comments in any threads. I know it comes out of frustration, just try to take a deep breath, then come back and see what you’ve written. I’m a very independent thinker and voter, but you lose me when you start name calling.

Getting ready to go to the Coooougar game!! Good luck to the dawgs tonight.

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[JoB]

ok.

beachdrivegirl..

those you would be likely to encounter in public who have guns are legally carrying a concealed weapon.. they are not hiding anything from the law. This is one crowd that you can be positive that somewhere there is a record that they own the gun they are carrying…

those who buy guns legally from dealers are not hiding their guns… there is a record that traces the serial number on the gun to them.

The rest either make sure their guns are unregistered because they want to avoid government scrutiny… or they are too impatient to purchase a gun where they have to wait three days.. or they stole it… or they can’t legally own a gun.

it is likely that regulating where you can carry a gun will not affect their behavior at all.

the constitution was designed to be a body of law that could change and adapt to the times… thus it has been amended.

Although a recent court ruling would seem to suggest that the right to bear arms is not limited to the needs of a militia, it is unclear how the guns provision in the constitution will ultimately be decided.

The constitution says nothing about whether carrying guns in public can be regulated… although you wouldn’t know that from the propaganda the NRA puts out.

Gun regulation is not a gun ban.. and we already have several gun regulations in place that have yet to be successfully challenged.

i REALLY don’t like getting threatened with a gun or shot at… and both have happened to me in public spaces.

Had that ever happened to you i am quite sure you would agree enthusiastically with that statement. You only challenge it because it hasn’t happened to you and yo think it can’t.

Since this behavior happens on our streets, and by your own admission is happening in our homes,it is only a matter of time before we have a horrific incident in one of our parks.

How bad will that incident have to be for you to find it relevant? and better yet, how much will it have to cost you as a taxpayer before it is relevant?

There is obviously nothing more i could possibly say to you that would make any kind of impression.

As best i can tell, you object on the grounds that you don’t think someone should tell you what to do regardless of whether you want to do it or not.

While that is consistent with your political philosophy, it rules out the entire body of law designed to protect citizens from unnecessary risk.

I really do wonder what your attitude towards driving laws would have been had you been around when the driving habits of those who owned automobiles began to be a safety hazard.

I suspect you would have objected on the grounds that there was no clear evidence that automobile drivers needed to be regulated…

if people considered the rights of others as important as their own and behaved in a polite and considerate manner to one another.. there would be no need for laws regulating public behavior.

sadly, that is not the case.

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[beachdrivegirl]

wow job you made an impact… tonight

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[mellaw6565]

JoB – as a “childish” side note, I was thinking today that instead of talking recipes when things need de-escalating, it would really help my waistline if you suggested push-ups or sit-ups instead – LOL!

Nice post on #139 – I think you’ve made several good points:)

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[Anonymous]

Mellaw – Being extremely forthcoming about teaching young children how to debate, I would think that the changing of the subject (especially during a debate) would be something that you would NOT encourage.

I certainly hope that wouldn’t be something that they are teaching our children nowadays. Could you imagine a Presidential debate where one of the candidates suddenly starts talking about peanut sauce, ice cream or chocolate because he/she was faced with a tough question?

If you think about it in those terms, it looks pretty foolish.

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[mellaw6565]

NR – it was a joke! Let it go!! Geez……

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[Anonymous]

Well, that’s good! You had me really scared there for a minute!

You know, because you teach debate and you were encouraging the behavior of changing the subject just as it got heated…..

I think it says a lot about a person who can carry a debate, even when it gets difficult and tough issues arise.

I’m glad that you are teaching our children how to do just that!

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[mellaw6565]

I do teach them that NR – but on here sometimes it’s appropriate to remind people to take a breath. I think JoB was trying to do it in a humorous way – I was just commenting that an exercise reminder would help my waistline better!

If one of my students were getting angry, and it happens as they learn, then I’m there in person to help them work through it. Not able to do that on here other than through humor, IMO. Yes, people can walk away and come back, but sometimes in the heat of the moment a gentle reminder helps.

Peace out!

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[JoB]

mellaw6565

a thousand apologies.. i hate to contribute to any waistline but my own:)

can i talk about my dogs?

or maybe a craft project?

or the weather?

even talking about exercise is too tiring:)

maybe i could talk about really healthy low fat food ;~>

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[JoB]

New resident…

I don’t talk about food when i am faced with a tough question. I talk about food when i am faced with a series of increasingly illogical rants…

and I think talking about something universally engaging like food is a better option than responding directly to a rant..

and.. just to be correct… this is not a debate.. it’s a public forum…

if the rules of debate were applied here most posts would have to be deleted.

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[beachdrivegirl]

NR- I love crafts!!!

Have any good ones for me?!?!!?

And joB you stumped me I just thought you couldnt come with another response my bad!

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[Anonymous]

haha… BDG!

I, unfortunately, will not go that route.

I find it weak to either a.) change a topic suddenly to ramble about nonsense and b.) Use this tactic as an excuse to “breath”.

I, personally, feel that if you are faced with a challenge to your own belief (or, as JoB would call it, increasingly illogical rants), you either step up and explain your position further, do some research to help support your position or do not respond at all (honestly, how important does a person have to think they are that they MUST say something – if you have nothing to contribute, that is fine and the discussion will continue without your comments)

Again, this is only my own opinion and how I choose to conduct myself.

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[JoB]

NR.. you do it your way.. i’ll do it mine..

i generally persist if i think there is something to work with… in fact, i admit to being one of the most persistent people i know.

BDG.. i have a ton of craft stuff that is going to get sorted out this next couple of weeks…

i will try to have a WSB presale if there ends up being good stuff… i don’t know how much room i will have yet.. so i don’t know how much has to go:)

but i will try to throw in some easy crafts.. at least they aren’t fattening:)

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