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September 6, 2008 at 5:06 am #587978
angelescrestParticipantI keep thinking about the hanging chads of Florida.
September 6, 2008 at 5:41 am #637659
JanSParticipantoh, it’s been brought up more than once in private conversations with friends…guess that means that we all simply need to be extra vigilant, and not afraid to call people on it..
September 6, 2008 at 6:22 am #637660
JoBParticipantyes, i am worried..
people have already been thrown off the voter rolls in many states.
and that’s the least of it.
September 6, 2008 at 11:10 am #637661
LightsOutMemberI only wish that when people talked about ending voter fraud they really meant it. You should rephrase it to say you are only worried about Republican voter fraud. Do you realize how much fraud goes on inside of Chicago, Philadelphia, and forget about California. How many illegal aliens vote there? There are precincts in Philly that always have vote turnout irregularities. Chicago the city of Daly(vote early and often). That is why Democrats will always be against real voting reform. Just look how people are against showing IDs to vote. Who could possibly be against such a simple measure to insure vote accuracy?
September 6, 2008 at 2:06 pm #637662
TrisketParticipantrepublicans.
September 6, 2008 at 2:44 pm #637663
timeslidParticipantThe term voter fraud can be two distinct issues. First, individuals voting where or when they shouldn’t. Second and more importantly, voters being denied the right to vote when they have every right to do so. There have been many allegations of the first and more documental damage by the second. I have yet to read about massive voter arrests of people voting where or when they shouldn’t. Except perhaps Anne Coulter (voting in the wrong precinct) or Jane Balogh (who registered her dog to vote) and these examples aren’t really massive.
Shortages of voting machines in heavily numbered Democratic districts and caging are two prominent suppression methods. Caging being the most powerful tool the Republican party uses to suppress the vote. Vote suppression led to a congressional inquiry and the resignation of Tim Griffin, one of President Bush’s U.S. Attorneys. He sent out an e-mail saying, “Here is a caging list.” This was documented by Greg Palast during his investigation into voter suppression. http://www.gregpalast.com/the-razorcake-interviewinvestigating-vote-theft/
Tim Griffin was sending out caging lists, which are hit lists of voters to challenge. The way caging works is they send out registered letters to voters and when the voters aren’t around to receive their letters—the envelopes say, “Do Not Forward”—the voters end up being subject to challenge. Often the envelopes are disguised as junk mail which leads people to not even open them. The Republicans challenged three million voters in 2004. That fact is in the records of the Election Assistance Commission of the federal government. Those voters received provisional ballots and a million of those ballots were thrown in the garbage.
This all played out in Ohio in 2004 when the Republicans successfully challenged voters at the polls. http://www.epluribusmedia.org/features/2007/20070621_supressing_the_vote_2004.html
This will play out on a grander scale in 2008.
September 6, 2008 at 3:09 pm #637664
KenParticipantIf you want to project the Republican’t vision of “voter fraud” in those cities mentioned, you need to whip out some links to reputable sources and convictions.
The historical anecdotes from the time before databases are not relevant now. The voter suppression and caging efforts of republicans are fairly well documented.
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2005/08/voter-suppression-tactics-all-too.html
I was a recount tabulator in 04 and an Election observer after that. The Republicans who actually observed the election process everyday are not the ones making the wild accusations in WA.
For more detail and history look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression
“We learn from history that we do not learn from history.” –
— Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
September 6, 2008 at 3:54 pm #637665
timeslidParticipantWell said Ken. Caging is old school, but the intent of voter suppression is not. History does repeat but with fresh actors. I need to wizen up to new tricks.
WA is not the state that I am most concerned about. States with the highest electoral prize and the most economic damage – Michigan and Pennsylvania top the list. The economic shock of the last 8 plus years has given the opportunity for shenanigans.
September 6, 2008 at 7:41 pm #637666
LightsOutMemberOnce again proving the Democrats could care less about accurate voting. Dismissing all together that vote fraud in America’s cities is out of control. Isn’t it odd that we here nothing of voting machine failure in the MSM after the Democrat landslide of 2006. Everyone just breathed a sigh of relief that their guy won and “No Fraud” was allowed to ruin their wonderful and rightful victory. Because you do not want to investigate the fraud is not my problem. I will tell you it is happening whether you want to believe it or not. I guess it is okay as long as your side is winning. The Republicans have just excepted that it is unfortunately part of the system and just try to run a better campaign to win the election.
Keep up the hysteria. You will have to have some excuse when Obama loses.
September 6, 2008 at 7:57 pm #637667
charlabobParticipantLightsOut, could you please provide some evidence — links. You know, those biased leftist things called facts?
As I’m sure you very well know, this idea of fraud has been investigated over and over and the few cases prosecuted. These are provocative allegations that low-information voters may actually mistake for information. But I’d like to see stats, prosecutions, etc.
September 6, 2008 at 8:37 pm #637668
LightsOutMemberHere are just a couple of articles I found in a very short period.
I have lived in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Maryland.
In the the one story below the head of elections in Franklin County who is a black Democrat claims that the stories of Ohio and especially Columbus Ohio which is in Franklin County just aren’t true. He is offended that people would accuse him of disenfranchising Black voters.
Members of ACORN who of course are buddies with Obama have been convicted of voter fraud in some areas of the country. Just do a little research and stop getting your news from Keith Olbermann.
http://billhobbs.com/hobbsonline/cat_voter_fraud.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1271576/posts
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=434
http://www.pottstownmercury.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13098474
September 11, 2008 at 6:05 pm #637669
KenParticipantThese are typical freeper crap. Calling for profit registration fraud as “voter fraud” is nuts but entirely expected. Acorn contracted workers on a per registration basis and some of them exhibited their symptoms of near terminal stupidity by registering fake names or in most cases political names they got out of the newspaper and addresses from the phone book.
There is no way these could be translated into votes in even the most insane fantasies of wingers and yet this is labeled “voter fraud”.
Acorn used the same tactics Timmeh eyeman uses to buy signatures which is why up to 20% of his signatures (and indeed all propositions collected by paid signature gatherers) are thrown out.
The rest of your links are nothing but unsubstantiated accusations using damn near all the logical syllogisms in the book and some creative statistical projection by someone who does not understand statistics in the least except for a vague understanding of the Mark Twain quote concerning the 3 types of lies and how to apply them.
Try again. So far ya got nuthin.
September 11, 2008 at 6:11 pm #637670
JoBParticipantSeptember 11, 2008 at 6:26 pm #637671
ZenguyParticipantWow, we are timely on the WSW.
I just got this article emailed to me, they are at it again.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/10/85357/0629/672/593250
September 11, 2008 at 6:36 pm #637672
JenVMemberthat is just astounding, Zenguy. I am at a loss for words.
September 11, 2008 at 6:39 pm #637673
JoBParticipantthis makes me physically ill.
September 11, 2008 at 6:49 pm #637674
WSratsinacageMemberThere were plenty of sketchy things going on in King county last time around on both sides, if anyone remembers. Voter fraud allegations cannot only be levelled at Republican’s. Thanks
September 11, 2008 at 7:56 pm #637675
JanSParticipantrats…we’re not talking about last year…we’re talking now…and I certainly hope you aren’t defending this action…it’s despicable.
September 11, 2008 at 8:22 pm #637676
WSratsinacageMemberHow could you leap to my possibly defending fraud!? I am only commenting because I just hate it when people talk about fraud as it being one sided by those Republican meanies. You mention talking about now vs last year. What am I missing? How is now different from any other election? It’s wrong all around regardless of party.
September 11, 2008 at 8:31 pm #637677
TrickParticipant“Demanding a 2nd photo if the first one is questioned”
Who carry’s two photo ID’s?
Yikes!
Anyone here watch the film “Recount” ?
If this comes down to Ohio and Florida once again, I’m gonna lose it.
September 11, 2008 at 8:34 pm #637678
WSratsinacageMemberThis is simply amazing.. JenV puts up documentation on why McCain is a bad candidate and your attitudes are “you go girl!” LightsOut puts up more documentation that is just as credible as JenV’s single source and you dismiss it.. after you ask for it!!!
September 11, 2008 at 8:36 pm #637679
mellaw6565MemberHas anyone seen the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy” which came out in 2006? It’s a chilling expose of how easily Diebold’s electronic voting machines can be hacked in by anybody and how Diebold left sensitive documents about their machines on the internet for anyone to get.
The investigation was led by a local Seattle woman who happened to be surfing one day and came across the documents.
Just goes to show that new voting technology is open to fraud as well.
September 11, 2008 at 8:39 pm #637680
TrickParticipantJenV: “that is just astounding, Zenguy. I am at a loss for words.”
Am I missing something? Because this is all I see JenV saying here on this thread.
*scratches head*
September 11, 2008 at 8:55 pm #637681
KenParticipantAs long as we are on topic… here is another video released by the Security Group at the University of California in Santa Barbara
http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~seclab/projects/voting/
BTW I have a couple of the flash card readers used in this demo. They are normally used to write config files to Cisco 7xxx series routers and the cards and reader are off the shelf and currently available cheap.
September 11, 2008 at 9:06 pm #637682
ZenguyParticipantThe you go girl comment was mine and it was in reference to what she wrote, not the link she provided.
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