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December 4, 2009 at 11:15 pm #593202
PlaneGuyMemberDecember 5, 2009 at 3:06 am #683388
dhgParticipantWe all believe her innocent. She could be the next "Midnight Express" movie. Would it help if we all pledged to stay out of Italy until she is returned home?
December 5, 2009 at 3:39 am #683389
JenVMember"we" don't all believe her innocent.
December 5, 2009 at 3:50 am #683390
JoBParticipanti honestly don't know what to think.. it is difficult to separate the media hype from valid information.
i think banning media speculation prior to verdict would go a long way towards ensuring a fair trial.. even here.
December 5, 2009 at 5:46 am #683391
RainyDay1235MemberThank you JenV. She repeatedly lied to investigators and attempted to frame another person. She is not an "innocent". Did she get a fair trial? Probably not. I feel bad for her family and FAR worse yet for Meredith's. But sorry – I just cannot muster up sympathy for that girl – she just rubs me the wrong way…
December 5, 2009 at 6:10 am #683392
KBearParticipantThe weird behavior, the drugs, the changing stories… I really wanted to believe she was innocent, but now that the legal system has run its course, I'm afraid the jury has reached the correct conclusion.
December 6, 2009 at 2:16 am #683393
SpeakLoudMemberBut there was no evidence! Just because you lie and try drugs does not mean you rape and kill someone!
It seems like so many cases we see now-the police focus on the most 'obvious' suspect and then no-one else or nothing else is done to find the 'real' perpetrator. And for goodness sake-2 Italian judges on the jury and no sequestering???Are you kidding?
December 6, 2009 at 4:42 am #683394
JoBParticipantthere is a lesson to be learned here…
we should all be more prudent.. not less.. in foreign countries…
you don't appreciate our justice system much until you experience those without safeguards we have come to expect…
December 6, 2009 at 5:51 am #683395
BonnieParticipantdon't know if she's innocent or guilty or somewhere inbetween but I feel bad for her family and Meredith kershner's (sp??) family.
December 6, 2009 at 5:43 pm #683396
JenVMemberit's really sad that you can't even spell or know the correct name of the victim in this case. It's Meredith Kercher.
My problem with privileged little Amanda Knox is that she KNOWINGLY threw an innocent man under the bus for the crime. Even if she didn't do it, or play some part in it – that was WRONG. but hey, as long as the rich little white girl can go home, who cares about anyone else?
December 6, 2009 at 7:09 pm #683397
JohnsonMemberRainyDay1235
"Did she get a fair trial? Probably not."
Not sure how anyone can say that who hasn't been deluged by the Knox PR machine attacking the entire Italian justice system.
One thing Italy has stronger than the US is the rights of the accused — authorities can't even question someone indicted for a crime w/o the accused lawyers present. Unlike the US, they can't trick a suspect to give up this right (ala every episode of Law'n'Order). they have to wait regardless.
& She shoulda been tried in Texas, then you'd see justice! She'd be on death row by now! As would 6 other people for the same crime…
December 6, 2009 at 7:15 pm #683398
JohnsonMemberluckymom30 —
you seem to know A LOT about the Knox's family (even if you get their positions & salaries & finances wrong) — if you're not a "friend", could you possibly be connected to their high priced PR firm?
Neither Kercher nor the Congolese man (whom Knox tried to shift the blame to) didn't have wealth or looks or US sycophants behind them — they only had the Italian justice system to counter the PR fed to a tabloid press.
December 6, 2009 at 7:32 pm #683399
WSBKeymasterThanks to the person who flagged us on a post that revealed what appeared to be personal information about a third party. That is against our rules – not just address/license plate type stuff but also someone's work history, etc. If you have a news link in which this has been publicly reported before, put up the link (I pulled a Google search and didn't find corroboration of some of what was claimed – though it's been widely reported Knox's mother is a Highline teacher), but otherwise, even people who are in the news are granted the same presumption of some remaining shred of privacy if they haven't disclosed the information themselves. Thanks.
December 6, 2009 at 7:53 pm #683400
JoBParticipantI am very troubled by the assumption that Amanda Knox is a "poor little rich girl" who is getting a free ride by the "Knox PR machine".
I am also troubled by the assumption that just because the Italian system requires legal representation at all stages of the investigation that it better protects the rights of the accused.
the jurors in this case went home every night to be exposed to the Italian press trying the case in the media.. complete with innuendos and outright fabrications.
"rich little american girl" is one of those fabrications…. while the Knox family must be better off than some of us to be able to spend as much time in Italy as they have and to afford the kind of legal representation they provided for their daughter… they don't appear to fit the standards for conspicuously rich… to the Italian press, most Americans are rich… we should know better.
One of the reasons so many cases are overturned on appeal in Italy is that they are no longer today's news by the time they hit appeal and must stand on the merits of the evidence.. not on inflamed public opinion.
besides, just like here.. the prosecutor has already gotten their political bump from the publicity surrounding the original guilty verdict and are less publicly aggressive on appeal.
It is apparent that Amanda made some pretty huge mistakes… whether one of those was participating in the murder of Meredith Kercher remains to be seen.
I don't see how any of us could form an opinion from the media buzz on either side… i suspect we would have had to be in the courtroom listening to the evidence to come close to having an informed opinion… and only then if we ignored the media circus that has surrounded this case.
Regardless of what really happened, this is a tragedy for both Meredith and Amanda's families. Meredith's family has already lost their child… with no hope of ever getting her back.
There is still hope for Amanda's family.
Regardless of how we may personally feel about Amanda's guilt, i believe we owe her family our sympathy and respect. This has to be devastating for them.
No matter how this all turns out, they will end up ruined financially and emotionally from all of this.
December 6, 2009 at 8:00 pm #683401
luckymom30ParticipantSorry didn't mean to give information that was personal, thought most everyone knew that information. I will be more careful in the future. Yes it is a real tragedy for both families.
And JoB you have it so right that unforuntantely it is under these kinds of circumstances that we don't truly apprepciate our judical system however off it may seem at times.
December 7, 2009 at 12:11 am #683402
dhgParticipantJenV: She didn't just throw in a name of someone who was not involved; she gave a name after intense pressure was applied. It's the kind of pressure that would crack anyone. I don't think she was waterboarded but I heard it was bad and I don't hold that against her.
December 7, 2009 at 1:37 am #683403
shihtzuParticipantWell said JoB.
Most people who are sure she did it seem to be creepily titillated and convinced by the fact that she's an attractive young woman who might be involved in such illicit affairs as pot smoking and sex. That's all the evidence they really need.
December 7, 2009 at 1:54 am #683404
RainyDay1235MemberSeems to me the trial got so much exposure BECAUSE she's an attractive (white) young woman who might be involved in such illicit affairs as pot smoking and sex. Guilty or no, she creeps me out. She's aloof and hiding something – that was my only point.
December 7, 2009 at 2:32 am #683405
JoBParticipantshitzu…
i don't see how we could form an opinion from the media buzz on our side either…
After all is said and done.. i don't believe in her innocence any more than i believe in her guilt. i just don't know…
i do know that i feel compassion for her family.
rainyday1235
it is as probable that the only thing she was trying to hide were the poor choices her parents were probably unaware they were paying for..
and that depression combined with film edited for effect has created the impression we have of her.
it's just a sad sad situation no matter how you look at it.
December 7, 2009 at 2:49 am #683406
luckymom30ParticipantSo Rainday1235 – How would you handle it if Amanda Knox received an aquittal and her and her family returned to Seattle? You see her at the grocery store, the post office, etc…
I have great compassion for her family as well as for the Kercher family but I wonder after all of this media coverage and everything if Amanda could someday return to Seattle and live a normal life or is she to live abroad?
December 7, 2009 at 5:29 am #683407
DBurnsParticipantI agree with JoB that no matter how you feel about innocence or guilt we must feel for the family and friends who have been affected by this tragedy. And I agree that all of their lives are now changed forever.
Now it will be so interesting to see what happens with the appeal! I read the article link from comments on the main page and the point was made that even if Italians have to "save face" in the initial trial (to protect the integrity of all of the authorities who were involved) that is done now, and the appeal could go very easily in Amanda Knox's direction. But my main question is this: (Please give me your thoughts!)
Why didn't any of the 3 suspects tell on each other?? I'm baffled.
December 7, 2009 at 6:21 am #683408
cclarueMemberDburns, I agree why didnt anyone tell?
December 7, 2009 at 6:29 am #683409
clark5080Participantluckymom30
To answer your question our back yards are separated only by an alley and my daughter and the two sisters Amanda and Deanna would come over and play frequently. I would not have a problem with her coming back. probably would have a welcome back sign. But I think she isn't guilty and got a real railroad job.
December 7, 2009 at 8:31 am #683410
bfranklin4206Memberi think shes guilty. thats right i said it, she was probly high as a kite at the time and didnt mean to take it so far though. blessings go out to both families
December 7, 2009 at 10:12 am #683411
FlyonthewallMemberI highly recommend to anyone that thinks the Italian Criminal Justice System is healthy, including the work of the police and forensic investigators in this case, should read the riveting book "The Monster of Florence" by Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi. It will give you real pause as to whether Amanda got a fair trial based on credible evidence.
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