Light rail here? Next stops on the timeline explored at West Seattle Transportation Coalition’s last 2015 meeting

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Will West Seattle light rail make it into the Sound Transit 3 ballot measure next year?

And if it does, which configuration will be on the list – a hop across the bay that ends in The Junction, or something longer?

The next touchstone discussion for Sound Transit‘s future plan is now only one month away, and the West Seattle Transportation Coalition wants to ensure that peninsula residents are heard loud and clear. So that was the centerpiece topic of the most-recent WSTC meeting, which featured a briefing by two ST planners, senior transportation planner Val Batey and planning/development manager Karen Kitsis.

West Seattle possibilities are already on the “candidate projects list” for ST3, but that does not guarantee inclusion. Here’s the list:

(If the embedded version above doesn’t work for you, here it is as a PDF.)

Batey explained the timeline:

ST staff is now assembling “technical information” for the candidate projects, to present to the ST board (members listed here; the chair is County Executive and West Seattleite Dow Constantine) at a workshop on December 4th. A “draft system plan” is expected by the end of February; after a subsequent round of “public outreach from mid-March to early May” – open houses, online survey, other public comments – the plan would be finalized by mid-June. What the planners hear at the board workshop in December will be key input for the “draft system plan.”

Batey and Kitsis showed the list of priorities that ST is using as the plan’s foundation, including “logical next steps,” socioeconomic equity, connecting “the region’s designated centers,” completing “the spine” of the system, multimodal access, integration with other transit operators and systems, as well as promotion of transit-supportive land use and transit-oriented development.

Looking at the candidate-projects list, one thing to keep in mind: “It’s not all light rail – there’s a lot of light rail that we’re looking at but we’re also looking at bus rapid transit, and one of the biggest projects we’re looking at is extending (that) all the way from Lynnwood to Burien, using I-405 primarily.” As for their own bus system: “Once we get a sense of what the ST3 system is going to look like, then we’ll look at where we need to put in Sound Transit express-bus service.” (Currently, ST Route 560 is the only one serving West Seattle.)

WSTC board member Michael Taylor-Judd wondered if the process was inclusive enough for the public, who might decide what to support if they had more information about costs and other aspects of the many options. Batey said the draft plan will have all that “for the public to respond to.”

Board member Marty Westerman wondered whether ST should be focused more on connecting to some of the systems that are already in operation, such as Seattle’s city-run streetcars. Batey replied that ST’s mission is more “to provide faster, higher-capacity transit to the region” and so they are evaluating on factors including ridership, cost, reliability – “how long would it take to get to (a certain place)” – along with the core priorities mentioned above.

Kitsis noted that the draft plan will also include some “vehicle miles traveled” information for those who wonder how many cars a certain route might take off the roads.

Joe Szilagyi wondered whether ST was looking at using an existing bridge to West Seattle or building a new one, since, for example, the potential Delridge route seemed likely to be a mix of elevated and at-grade. The ST reps said it would be a new bridge, but they don’t have specifics because at this stage, it’s all “a conceptual design … If it becomes a Sound Transit 3 project, then we get to do the design and decide how we’re going to make it work.” Some of it might even go underground.

Board member Deb Barker, pointing out that Sound Transit has tunneled successfully more than a few times, wondered about the cost specifics on that. Batey’s reply: “We’re looking at designated centers, since the city has decided it wants ‘urban centers’ … then when we start to look at costs of real estate, we take a wide swath through the corridor look at (potential) station areas.” Kitsis added that “a lot of areas do have several options, like picking a station and what kind of development would happen around it …” so they would be looking at zoning, at what land in the area might be “underutilized and underdeveloped,” etc.

WSTC co-chair Amanda Kay Helmick told the ST reps that the group is “very intimately involved in looking BEYOND what you guys are looking at,” such as the concept of Sound Transit possibly being a “spine for West Seattle,” for example, elevated along 35th SW, “coming down the actual middle of West Seattle.”

The “looking beyond” idea came up next from Barker, who asked if ST is talking with the Port of Seattle, given that it’s about to embark on the Terminal 5 Modernization Project environmental-impact statement. Batey said the port has asked to talk with ST about freight movement and how that would factor into their plans.”

Then the big question: If West Seattle light rail makes it into ST3, and if the measure is approved, what year might it be built?

Kitsis said that “depends on the financial plan … (we) don’t want to speculate on when a specific area would see service.” But part of the analysis will be “how many projects could be shovel-ready.” It was also pointed out that projects from Sound Transit’s previous ballot measure “are coming in under budget,” probably considering “it was approved during the height of the Great Recession.”

Q/A continued, some of it more comment/concern than question, such as Szilagyi expressing the importance of ensuring that transit stops “are not just dead ground” as some seem to be in the city’s south end as compared to areas such as Capitol Hill.

Pete Spalding wondered whether light rail from West Seattle would go directly downtown, or require connections/transfers in the SODO area. The reply: “We’re looking at this going into downtown.”

Helmick stressed the importance of West Seattleites being heard: “We were promised the monorail, we didn’t get it, we had tremendous growth (planned) around the idea we were going to get the monorail, which we didn’t.”

“We’ll take your feedback (back),” promised Kitsis, adding, “The most important thing is to let your elected (officials) know.”

That means, in particular, the ones on the Sound Transit Board – chaired, as mentioned above, by Executive Constantine, and also including West Seattle’s County Councilmember Joe McDermott,

Once the Q/A with Batey and Kitsis wrapped up, WSTC members talked about their own next steps and observations. One observed ruefully that at the seemingly glacial pace of local light-rail projects, this round might be more for their kids and grandkids than for themselves. Helmick took note of the list more prominently featuring Ballard options in the “candidate projects list” than West Seattle options. She expressed doubt that West Seattle would and could get anything more in ST3 than light rail to The Junction.

“So if we get one station by 2031 – that’s not worth it,” Redmond opined.

He wasn’t alone in that opinion. WSTC members agreed they need to strategize how to campaign for more – and how to mobilize West Seattleites to be part of that, to speak out for getting light rail to a particular location by a particular year. Board members talked about possibly offering an online petition or another way for West Seattleites to visibly show their support, en masse. And nobody disputed the exhortation that “we need to push now” to be sure West Seattle isn’t passed over.

A week and a half after the October 22nd WSTC meeting, no campaign has launched yet, but you can make your opinions known directly – contact information for ST board members is linked to the page where they’re listed. The 10 am December 4th workshop is at Union Station downtown, open to the public.

The West Seattle Transportation Coalition won’t meet in November or December, but watch for word of their January meeting.

18 Replies to "Light rail here? Next stops on the timeline explored at West Seattle Transportation Coalition's last 2015 meeting"

  • Greg November 2, 2015 (4:57 am)

    Honestly, at this point it’s hard for me to take anything train or rail related seriously in Seattle. All anyone ever does here is talk while traffic becomes jam packed. Ive voted for every ballot measure and tax increase for the past 20 years and all I have to show for it is that I can take a train from the airport to downtown and a tunnel machine that is now years behind schedule and massively ovebudget. It’s depressing.

  • M November 2, 2015 (5:32 am)

    Why does it always feel like West Seattle is the red headed step child? I feel like we are the only neighborhood on the list with a critical need of rail since we have so few options for getting downtown.

  • East Coast Cynic November 2, 2015 (6:58 am)

    I tend to believe the bigger problem w/ public transportation from West Seattle is a lack of options for getting to other parts of the Seattle metro area in a timely fashion, e.g., North Seattle–University District, Fremont, Ballard, Queen Anne and the Eastside.

  • Seattlite November 2, 2015 (7:41 am)

    Seattle does not and has not had the leadership to get the job done. These past 40 years Seattle has had a lack of vision, planning for transportation to match growth, development. Recent road diets are serving a tiny percentage and creating a mess for the majority. Lack of roadway maintenance is creating safety issues for drivers, pedestrians.

    • WSB November 2, 2015 (7:56 am)

      Lest anyone be confused, this has NOTHING to do with SDOT, city road projects, etc. Sound Transit is a different entity – a transit system that does not directly manage any roads or highways – covering King, Pierce, and Snohomish Counties. – TR

  • JeffK November 2, 2015 (8:28 am)

    Greg, I’ve done the same and feel the pain as well.

  • Marfaun November 2, 2015 (8:36 am)

    Seattle transportation planners remind me of toddlers with toys – when they’re done with one, like the waterfront trolley or the monorail, they leave the pieces and walk away. When they see a shiny new one (SLUT), they run to play with that. When they don’t like one, like the 1907 Downtown Seattle-to-Fauntleroy line, they smash it. It’s heartening that Sound Transit folk say they’ve got a systemic vision now, but their time frame, design & funding are just tentative – ST3’s Ballard-West Seattle service depends on 2016 voter whims &/or a recalcitrant Olympia Legislature. Maybe we go back to 1905 WS roots & create our own municipally-funded shiny new toy, and then ST will rush to play with us. And if they don’t, we can play with the toy ourselves.

  • RayK November 2, 2015 (9:09 am)

    I want to learn Metro’s approach to feeding stations in West Seattle based on ST commitments for headways in peak, non-peak, and night time services. If Metro can’t feed enough riders to Link to fill the trains with at least sitting capacity then worse service could result.

  • Joe Szilagyi November 2, 2015 (10:09 am)

    Whatever faults some of you may have with WSDOT (who owns and is responsible for Bertha) or SDOT (who owns city streets), Sound Transit has NOTHING to do with them. Every Sound Transit is on target, ahead of schedule, or under budget, or some combination of all three. Even older criticism of Sound Transit’s handling of Rainier Valley was an older generation of Sound Transit leadership that bent the knee to NIMBY-type interests in the area, and down in Burien and Tukwila, which lead to the sub-standard arrangement we have to the airport. All the new modern stuff is light years ahead of that, because Sound Transit and regional leadership began paying less attention to shrill uninformed voices and began taking 20, 30, 40, and 50 year positions instead of “today” positions.

  • M November 2, 2015 (2:02 pm)

    I’m voting NO one “move Seattle” so I can save my hard earned money and will vote Yes on rail to WS.

  • West Seattle since 1970 November 2, 2015 (2:05 pm)

    Getting rid of the 1907 streetcars happened in, I believe, 1940 or 1941, and probably most of he people who made that decision are dead now. Furthermore, other cities did the same thing in the same time frame. Not sure what this has to do with now.

  • YES on ST3 and Move Seattle! November 2, 2015 (5:24 pm)

    It’s a little scary how misinformed a lot of people are, as evidenced by all the derogatory comments about SDOT and move Seattle. I know this won’t change the minds of the willfully ignorant but: Sound Transit is not SDOT, WADOT, or Metro. SDOT is not WADOT, Metro, or ST. WADOT is not SDOT, Metro, or ST. Metro is not SDOT, WADOT, or ST.
    The sad thing is that I know as I’m writing this that the people always lumping them together know this, but are being willfully ignorant. Without willfully ignorance, the Republicanarchist anti-government ethos falls apart.

  • public administrator November 2, 2015 (5:34 pm)

    Few regular readers of the WS Blog would confuse the stalled TBM Bertha as a Sound Transit project. We get it, it’s a state highway and contracted out to STP by WSDOT. That doesn’t mean WS residents don’t have plenty of reasons to be entirely dissatisfied with SDOT, Sound Transit, Metro and WSDOT for the combined failure to adequately serve the transportation needs for our portion of the city or the greater Seattle area.

    To single out Sound Transit as the one golden transportation agency as on “on target, ahead of schedule and on budget” is not telling the whole truth. ST has had their fair share of cost overruns, missed deadlines and lower than projected ridership levels. The agency was founded in 1999, that’s hardly “light years ago”. Lord knows we’ve all been paying taxes to support them since then.

    ST Board is made up of elected officials with the intention that it would act to ensure accountability and fair compromises on how ST services were delivered. But it didn’t turn out that way. It wasn’t NIMBYism that prevented Link Light rail from having a Southcenter Mall stop on its way to the airport, it was former Mayor Paul Schell.

    The Puget Sound Regional Council that projects demographic trends and future transportation needs for the entire region. Our electeds are more interested in maximizing their own special interests rather than greater good for the broadest constituency.

  • JeffK November 2, 2015 (5:35 pm)

    M, that sounds like a lack of empathy for fellow citizens and one of the main reasons we’re stuck with ‘Seatle process’.

  • wb November 2, 2015 (6:30 pm)

    My great great uncle worked on the Seattle street car system. According to http://www.kpluwonders.org/content/mysterious-demise-big-city-streetcars-solved
    “By April of 1941, Seattle had ripped up 230 miles of streetcar lines, melting them into steel for the war effort – and becoming the largest city in the country at that time to have no streetcars”

    Then in 1968 and again in 1970, Seattle voted against helping fund a mass transit project–leaving $900 million in federal funds on the table, or more than $5 billion in 2015 dollars. So the feds gave it to Atlanta for Marta.

    So now, not having learned from our past, we beat up the King County Metro bus system, cry about traffic, and yearn for light rail.

  • MOVE! Seattle PLEASE! November 2, 2015 (10:25 pm)

    public administrator is spot on!
    Especially spot on is the final sentence, ” Our electeds are more interested in maximizing their own special interests rather than greater good for the broadest constituency.”

    Road diets in the name of safety but the brake shops must love it, Pronto bike rentals for tourists because locals would ride if they desired to, Metro bus service takes 90 to 120 minutes travel time from W Seattle to deep Southeast Seattle….the broadest constituency gets lost for the special interests.

  • Kathy November 3, 2015 (9:15 pm)

    Look at the bright side, Link will be taking us all the way to Capitol Hill and the U district in a few months. I’m looking forward to connecting to it via Metro Route 50.

    Go Seattle Proposition 1!!

  • Robert November 7, 2015 (10:23 am)

    don’t hold your breath all of the high-dollar yuppies in the north end and ballard will get the trains, west seattle will get the stuck-in-traffic busses..

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