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January 18, 2008 at 3:49 pm #614040
Lattemom, I “get it”; I just disagree with you. I don’t care how bad his language was.
Now someone is standing on the unemployement line, without the medical insurance he likely needs to seek help for what may be anger management issues or a chemical imbalance.
How about teaching children to control themselves and not others? That will serve them better than freaking out over the “f” word.January 18, 2008 at 3:59 pm #614041
Eric, I completely agree with you that we all have a choice in our actions, but would you say that what we hear, see or read influences how we make our choices?January 18, 2008 at 4:25 pm #614042
Well, I don’t believe people should be using that kind of language, especially around children (but it sounds like no children were there???) but I wouldn’t feel good about getting somebody fired. You don’t know what is going on in his life.
I just can’t believe that they would fire someone ON THE SPOT like that. Maybe he was a problem worker…we don’t know.January 18, 2008 at 5:13 pm #614043January 18, 2008 at 5:38 pm #614044
Of course we can and sometimes will be swayed in our thinking by what we hear, read, see. But individually we all have to run this information through our own contextual filters to see if it’s something we want to influence our lives. Just because so and so says I must believe such and such doesn’t necessarily mean I will. I’m quite skeptical by nature and will want to do my own due diligence. It doesn’t mean that what the other person told me is wrong, I just haven’t bought into it yet. I guess that’s why we love having discourse on this forum…lol.January 18, 2008 at 5:45 pm #614045
Hey there Lattemom:
Reading this thread made for an interesting morning. I’d like to suggest that you re-read what you have written and consider the “tone” of your voice. Your first message did sound to me like you were proud of the fact that you got the disturbed man “fired on the spot”! Perhaps that wasn’t your intended message, but your later writings dug the hole you started yet deeper. Loosing a job is huge; no insurance, can’t pay the bills…it’s something we universally worry about. I’m sure you generally feel compassion for the person experiencing this, it just didn’t come through in your writing.January 18, 2008 at 5:54 pm #614046January 18, 2008 at 5:55 pm #614047January 18, 2008 at 5:58 pm #614048
Lattemom- you keep explaining that you yelled back “nice language” as if that was asking him to stop when in fact you were contributing to his rage. If you felt so strongly about reporting him, just do that instead of inciting him further. Or if you really wished for him to just stop, how about a sincere “are you OK?” That usually jars people out of there trance and maybe you would of genuinely made him reflect on what he was doing. By the title and contents of your first post, what I’m hearing is the hall monitor tattling and hoping we’ll all somehow be proud. Now we’ve got one pissed off dude out there somewhere. I’m worried about who he’s going to take it out on now. Protecting invisible children might be making one at home less safe. That doesn’t mean we should tolerate a free for all in society, but you seem to be more concerned about being right than actually making a difference.January 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm #614049
Lattemom, that’s an interesting, derisive (presumptuous and wrong, also) stereotype of people who swear. Would you like me to offer an equally derisive and presumptuous stereotype of stay-at-home moms?January 18, 2008 at 6:30 pm #614050January 18, 2008 at 6:38 pm #614051
Lattemom – I’ve been following this conversation since yesterday. I’ve waited to see how things played out before posting, but I have to say that reading your posts yesterday afternoon, I felt a lot of angry energy coming from you in those posts, simply because people were expressing their own opinions, which don’t happen to be in agreement with yours.
It sounds like this guy was having a really bad day, made some unfortunate choices, maybe he did or did not deserve what he got, I don’t feel like I’m in a position to make that judgement.
I do believe that in any given moment people are doing the best they can, and if that was the best he could do in that moment then he was obviously hurting in some way and was in need of compassion from those around him. I completely agree with JT that expressing concern for someone instead of judging them could have brought a completely different outcome.January 18, 2008 at 6:45 pm #614052
A lot of response to this since I left yesterday afternoon.
I’ve got two words that all of us should keep in mind: “Personal Responsibility. Especially for the now-fired worker and Lattemom.
Lattemom keeps telling us she didn’t fire the guy, as if this makes it not of her doing. Yet it was only at your impetus (your initial complaint) that he was fired. Yes the worker chose to use foul language, he’s an adult and now he’s paid a very high price for using swear words.
I’m still waiting though for lattemom (or anyone) to link me to any study which shows the permanent negative effects to a child of hearing swear words from a stranger. Even though that’s not what happened in this case. I also find it interesting how diligent lattemom has been in posting after posting in order to justify her stand.
What’s that saying about protesting too much?January 18, 2008 at 6:53 pm #614053
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