LIGHT RAIL: 2 WS stations? 1 WS station? No ‘tail tracks’? Sound Transit board committee hears possibilities for West Seattle cost-cutting, as estimate rises

Sound Transit Board members are still months away from decision-making on a revised long-range plan and ways to pop projects’ ballooning budgets. But their committees are getting briefings along the way, and the West Seattle Link Extension was one of the focuses when the board’s System Expansion Committee met Thursday.

Starting at 1 hour, 25 minutes into the meeting video (see it here), deputy CEO Terri Mestas led the briefing on the “cost workplan” for capital projects, then focusing in on West Seattle (followed by Everett), concluding at the end, “We’re really turning over every stone.” She noted that the West Seattle project is now at 30 percent design.

CEO Dow Constantine said that since they’re now using “bottom-up” cost estimating, they are more confident about their numbers. Shortly afterward, ST’s Brad Owen revealed that the West Seattle estimate has risen again, now $7.1 billion to $7.9 billion – potentially almost twice as much as what the finance plan from four years ago covers.

He clarified that the number includes “total contingency” as required by a particular federal policy. That represents more than a fourth of the estimated cost, Owen said.

Then it was on to possible ways to reduce the costs. The only way to get the project within what the finance would cover would be the most dramatic proposal, phasing – cutting the project down to the SODO and Delridge stations, building the latter in a way that would enable some future extension to The Junction (and possibly beyond). This isn’t a formal proposal right now, just an example of what’s possible. Here are the details on that:

(Note that ST says going only to Delridge would drop estimated ridership dramatically, and would change the type of station needed there. In Q&A, board member Seattle City Councilmember Dan Strauss declared it to be “one of the worst ideas I’ve ever seen.”) Meantime, Owen also brought up the idea of dropping the Avalon station, which has been suggested and studied previously, including in the official environmental-impact statement. This could, he said, mean less impact on Longfellow Creek and the West Seattle Health Club; possible savings could be nearly half a billion dollars.

And “optimization” of the Junction station could save almost a quarter-billion dollars (stations are the costliest items on project lists, Owen noted) – one component of this would remove “tail tracks” that currently would stretch underground construction all the way to SW Hudson, a removal that they now believe would not have an operational effect, with benefits including less right-of-way needing to be obtained:

Other cost-saving possibilities included design changes in the SODO station and “aerial guideway and foundation optimization” for the entire WS project. No board member questions after the presentation, which again was just a briefing, not a formal proposal nor anything requiring a vote. Here’s the full slide deck (including the Everett project info, for a project that also could cost nearly $8 billion, though it’s a 16-mile extension, four times the SODO-to-WS Junction distance).

WHAT’S NEXT: It was noted in Q&A that the board will have to authorize more money and time before year’s end for the consultant that’s working on cost savings, if they want the consultant to keep ferreting out more possibilities. More discussions are ahead at other board/committee meetings as they move toward revising future plans next year.

62 Replies to "LIGHT RAIL: 2 WS stations? 1 WS station? No 'tail tracks'? Sound Transit board committee hears possibilities for West Seattle cost-cutting, as estimate rises"

  • Revealations1471 September 14, 2025 (10:14 pm)

    This project has stopped making sense a while ago.  We need to just get the best BRT system for billions saved and it will be much better for getting to SODO or even going downtown without having to transfer.  

    • Kyle September 15, 2025 (8:02 am)

      No billions will be saved. They will be spent to build light rail elsewhere in the system, making other places more desirable to live.

  • 1994 September 14, 2025 (10:18 pm)

    Drop the Avalon station.  Put the stations near a bus transit hub.

    • Derek September 15, 2025 (7:24 am)

      Dropping Avalon and doing elevated and grade line to the Junction from Avalon over needless tunnel makes it cheaper 

      • Alex September 15, 2025 (8:51 am)

        Elevating the track would require shutting down Fauntleroy entirely between Avalon & Alaska for 1-2 years while also requiring ST to basically bulldoze everything along either side of it. That’s not even hyperbole! Its literally laid out that way in the EIS. The tunnel is the least disruptive and fastest way to deliver the project while being only marginally more costly

  • Ron September 14, 2025 (11:02 pm)

    I used to be against this project due to the price rising up to 7 billion dollars. But after some reflection and a bit of bad luck, also having my license suspended (DUI, allegedly (fighting it)), I FULLY SUPPORT the WSLE. It needs to be done and NOW, for the dozens of us who need it. I don’t care if the price goes up to 8 billion, this was voted on almost 10 years ago and NOTHING has changed since then. I’m tired of these NIMBY anti mass transit folks crying about the rising cost, it’s worth it. There’s absolutely no way for me to get to the Hawks games now since I cannot drive. They NEED to focus on WSLE before Everett or Tacoma or Ballard or Eastside.

    • Bill#1 September 15, 2025 (12:13 am)

      Ever hear of a bus? Clue the tiny violins!

      • Grammar is hard September 15, 2025 (8:30 am)

        Its cue… What would clue the tiny violins even mean? If youre gonna be a condescending ass atleast be smart thx

    • anonyme September 15, 2025 (7:51 am)

      Ron, it took me a minute, but I see what you’re doing here.  Haha.

      • Wes September 15, 2025 (8:41 am)

        Let’s see who falls for it.

  • Rhonda September 14, 2025 (11:40 pm)

    The best way to cut costs is to scrap the whole West Seattle line. Build a dedicated double-decker express bus line from the Morgan, Admiral, and Alaska Junctions to the SODO station. It could be up and running in mere months. 

    • Bill#1 September 15, 2025 (12:15 am)

      What is it with the “double-decker buses”? Where do you think you are? Disneyland?

      • Al King September 15, 2025 (9:25 am)

        Bill#1. Ummm Sound Transit runs double decker busses daily.  But I like your ST is Disneyland fantasy analogy. Quite appropriate.

      • Rhonda September 15, 2025 (1:15 pm)

        Bill#1, more like London…..or the I-5 corridor where Snohomish County Transit runs their high-capacity double-decker buses. You must think you’re at Disneyland with your push for an elevated train. Hey, maybe we could have the light rail run through a long tunnel with fighting dinosaurs and volcanoes?

        • Too much September 15, 2025 (5:55 pm)

          @rhonda: I agree with you and the costs should be capped. Better bus lines linking everyone to the transit. 

    • Snarky September 15, 2025 (1:09 am)

      Even better build a bridge just for that bus! Rhonda and I just saved 7 billion and solved the problem to get off the peninsula to the train.

      • Alex September 15, 2025 (8:59 am)

        The new bridge is the most expensive single item of the entire project. It needs to be the same height as the current one and they have to make a cut into the side of Pigeon Point. That cut alone includes a low 8-figure cost worth of land stabilization.And no they can’t build it on the north side of the existing roadway because there’s no reasonable way to then get it to hook south towards Delridge due to the height of the existing elevated roadway. The downward angle required to get back to at-grade before the intersection with Andover would be too steep. The options are to wrap it around Pigeon Point as is currently planned or to tunnel through it which is even more expensive.

      • Foop September 15, 2025 (10:15 am)

        Then maybe we can attach 3 or for busses together to meet capacity demand!

    • Marcus September 15, 2025 (3:36 am)

      I agree with you Rhonda, express buses run during times of need. Besides if Seattle is expecting any funding from Washington DC, that is an unrealistic expectation. 

    • Mike September 15, 2025 (3:52 am)

      Express busses to SODO and/or Beacon Hill station actually makes more sense for time and money.  They could add a 2,000 car parking garage in the Junction, charge nothing to park there for 30 years and still come out billions ahead.  This would obviously not be approved as it’s logical.

      • John September 15, 2025 (9:27 am)

        Mike, no. Just no. The solution is NOT more parking and buses that share roads with cars. Non starter. Parking garages? Ugh car brains have doomed this city. 

    • The King September 15, 2025 (5:57 am)

      You should be more specific and remember we’re dealing with the speed of government here. The Morgan Junction park expansion has been about 133 months. There would have to be studies, committees, levies, ST4, etc and by 2072 they’d be fighting over the color of the bus 

    • anonyme September 15, 2025 (7:54 am)

      Yes.  But let’s not forget the south end of West Seattle, which is what always happens.

    • Seth September 15, 2025 (7:58 am)

      Let’s build a dedicated bus lane to downtown so the buses don’t get stuck in traffic. Only buses. And since it’s only buses we should just replace the buses with tracks to make it more efficient. We should chain a few of the buses together to increase capacity. 

  • Frank September 15, 2025 (12:17 am)

    Sound Transit has much bigger issues to face in the near term with their five main security contractors getting ready to strike on September 28.If that happens, there will be NO visible security presence on trains, at the light rail stations, on platform, etc. Be prepared

  • Al King September 15, 2025 (5:25 am)

    Why isn’t stopping at Delridge fine? With the overwhelming demand wouldn’t people be happy to walk/ride their bikes/transit to Delridge??

    • Fizz September 15, 2025 (10:09 am)

      All you car lovers, why don’t we just put a big parking  lot by the bridge and close off roads for the rest of the peninsula? Think of the savings! And folks love cars so much, I’m sure people will be willing to walk to the one WS parking lot.

    • Foop September 15, 2025 (10:18 am)

      I’d support this if we got a dedicated protected (with concrete) bike lane north on Delridge, and protected separated lanes up California, 35th and more east west connections like thistle, sylvan, and better bike lanes on admiral to get people to the station. Then we’d need to remove some parking to accommodate and remove the center turn lanes. Maybe when we free up that space we can plant some more trees.

  • K September 15, 2025 (5:57 am)

    Let’s cut costs by not hiring consultants who do nothing but State the obvious or throw out bad ideas.  More buses will never be a viable alternative to light rail unless you can magically resolve the ongoing driver shortage, and bar all single-occupant vehicles from the roads at peak hours.  Otherwise you just have a bunch of buses being driven by phantoms of your imagination, getting stuck at the same choke points as everyone else.  This hand-wringing is what’s driving up the cost.  Just build it already.

  • North Admiral Cyclist September 15, 2025 (6:02 am)

    All the bus solutions some suggest are difficult for anyone with the impaired mobility.  Not just wheelchair riders, but anyone with joint replacement or other challenges affecting the climbing of steps.  ST will follow the ADA, which is based on standards more than 50 years old, and only primarily focuses on wheelchairs.  Estimates range from 10 to 25% of the population today has some form of mobility impairment.  Even “low floor” buses are problematic for disabled persons, as they have minimal seating areas accessible without climbing steps, therefore accessible seating is always full.  West Seattle residents have paid for years for everyone else’s LRT, why would we now become myopic and settle for less?

    • Snarky September 16, 2025 (5:50 am)

      How are these persons with impaired mobility to get to the train station?  Most probably by bus…..

  • Derek September 15, 2025 (7:23 am)

    It would be so much cheaper if we stopped talking about it and got building 

  • flimflam September 15, 2025 (7:37 am)

    I understand the need to invest in transit but wow, the cost has multiplied – is this truly worth doing at any cost? Especially when tariffs kick in – who knows what the final bill will be.

  • WS resident September 15, 2025 (7:39 am)

    Eliminating the Avalon station makes sense. Having three stations within such close proximity to each other never made sense to me. 

  • John September 15, 2025 (7:40 am)

    Can we not just build the lightrail now? Busses fight traffic and trains are the future. We voted for it so please build it!

  • Gibby September 15, 2025 (7:41 am)

    Just build it. Years from now people will be happy it’s there. Ignore the NIMBYs who don’t want it. When we’re all dead and gone, our descendants will be grateful that it was built. 

  • Seth September 15, 2025 (8:00 am)

    Honestly down with dropping the Avalon station if it means saving wshc. That pool is a staple to the community. And Avalon isn’t that far from deleidge anyway I walk there from deleidge all the time. 

  • Emily September 15, 2025 (9:00 am)

    Just scrap the whole dang thing and let’s get more C line buses!  And maybe a bus that goes between Beacon Hill and West Seattle, it shouldn’t take 45 minutes to get to Beacon Hill via public transit  

    • k September 16, 2025 (8:10 am)

      The 60 goes between Beacon Hill and West Seattle.  

  • Keenan September 15, 2025 (9:11 am)

    This is not what we voted for.  ST3 needs to go all the way to the Junction.   I don’t care what it costs, build it anyway!  Raise taxes!  We will pay for it!

  • West Seattle Walker September 15, 2025 (10:36 am)

    The cost overrun for a four mile extension is mind-blowing . For the new cost per mile estimate West Seattleites could have flawless, non-stop bus service for a fraction of the cost. Message to ST Board Members: Get real about needless spending of taxpayers money! West Seattle does not need light rail.

    • Firefighter September 15, 2025 (4:44 pm)

      Could have had Monorail at $99 million, if I remember correctly. But after 4 votes City, County and State legislators finally won a (1) vote to protect their portfolio investments in Sound Transit. Lesson? Vote it down on cost and pay at least 5 times the amount years later! Who did that serve? If you want to bite the “bullet train” – cheap ass Seattle’rs should have built a legit big city, people-moving, heavy rail subway to begin with. Now we’re crying about not being able to afford a monopolized boondoggle Portland-style buses on rails system. LOL. Caveat Emptor. 

    • Peter Lemon Jello September 16, 2025 (5:11 pm)

      Last I checked, buses get stuck in traffic.

  • NotAgain September 15, 2025 (10:41 am)

    OMG!!! This is worse than 20+ years ago. Stop the madness. It will never happen…

  • VN September 15, 2025 (10:47 am)

    Light rail to West Seattle makes no sense unless Metro makes a full commitment to provide bus service to the entire peninsula.  Right now, thousands of residents have ZERO bus service, and thousands more have poor or marginal service.  Unless this changes, people will not be able to actually use the light rail.  By the time it would get built, the price tag will be closer to eight billion.  I would argue that now we know the full scope and cost of the project, put it back on the ballot for a vote on whether to continue.  Offer as well a far, far cheaper transit service that would cover EVERY neighborhood in West Seattle and that would take riders to the Lander Street LR hub.   Let the voters make a decision based on these choices.

    • Bronson September 15, 2025 (12:11 pm)

      This was the problem from the get-go; they put a half (quarter) baked ‘plan” in front of voters the first time around. which is the reason I voted against it in 2016. That being said, the region and WS specifically need light rail, but ST should have come to the ballot box with a plan significantly further along in the design process than they did so there was full transparency on the costs ($, homes, businesses, and disruption) and design. Coming to the ballot box now with that information will still result in it passing (and would get my vote), but at least the voters can more fully understand the plan and costs. 

    • anonyme September 15, 2025 (12:23 pm)

      Absolutely right.  Light rail will not serve the vast majority of West Seattle residents due to poor or zero bus service in their neighborhoods.  This includes most of West Seattle south of Morgan.  Of course, if we had decent bus service we wouldn’t need light rail; it’s a Catch-22.  And to complicate things further, there’s no doubt in my mind that bus service will be cut even further once/if light rail actually comes to fruition, making it available to even fewer people.  The most obvious solution is expanded bus service and more dedicated bus lines.  

      • k September 16, 2025 (8:09 am)

        There’s an ongoing driver shortage. The best chance we have of getting buses into underserved areas is to get people on the main corridors OFF the bus and onto light rail, which frees up Metro’s capacity to serve other neighborhoods.  Metro does not have an endless labor pool to fulfill these bus fantasies everyone has.

        • Vn September 16, 2025 (12:05 pm)

          I live over 3 miles from the proposed light rail stations but on the Rapid Ride C line.  If that line is removed, my neighbors and I could not access the light rail. The bus service will need to be expanded, not reduced to effectively get residents to a station.  I believe Metro,  Sound Transit and the mayor needs to address this gap in the overall plan. 

  • DRW September 15, 2025 (12:33 pm)

    Id like to see how much money is being spent just on all of the transit studies.

  • Joe Z September 15, 2025 (12:44 pm)

    Dropping Avalon is easily the best out of these options. Everyone in the know seems to have accepted this as the best outcome without having to rescope the entire project for the tenth time. Especially if they can save WSHC and get the tunnel portal farther east. For those arguing to cancel, that money would not be coming back to West Seattle. It would go straight to prioritizing the Ballard extension and/or the Kirkland-Issaquah 4 line that the voters also approved.  All of the social and economic benefits associated with being attached to the region-wide light rail network would go to Ballard and/or the east side as well. Fortunately our representatives seem to be smart enough to not lose this generational opportunity. 

  • SPLABDOOBIE September 15, 2025 (1:55 pm)

    cars will fly before this project gets finished 

    • Look Both Ways September 15, 2025 (4:25 pm)

      This.

    • WS Guy September 16, 2025 (10:41 am)

      Unironically, cars and buses will be self-driving before this project is finished.  In the years I’ve been making this comment we are now seeing them in cities like SF, LV, and Phoenix.   “Driver shortages” mentioned elsewhere will be solved.  The “train” of the future will be computer-controlled caravans of self-driving vehicles in dedicated lanes and roadways. They will split apart off arterials for door-to-door service.

  • Citizen Joe September 15, 2025 (11:09 pm)

    Listen if I can get from WS to Bellevue in under 20 minutes without a transfer, then it’s worth the $20B

  • K.I.S.S. September 16, 2025 (6:41 am)

    As an electrician on ST projects, everything they require is way over built, over engineered, and often unnecessary.For example, requiring everything in Ridgid conduit inside the stations even above 10′ is an insane waste of money and time for the electrical contractor.They design every station different meaning added cost and complexity per station instead of a cookie cutter practical design, that utilizes the same parts and materials. This means every job is different and the contractors can’t wash rinse repeat, no prefab, and no working out the kinks on the first one with the rest being smooth sailing.On the maintenance side it increases cost and complexity as well if you want any capital spares for replacement parts.It’s insane the specs they use, and always seemed over engineered and like a money grab. How we build could make a huge difference is overall cost and complexity if we made some common sense changes to the specs and plans. We don’t need the “best and strongest” if it serves no functional purpose.

    • k September 16, 2025 (8:06 am)

      Was that specified by the geotech?  Once the engineer says you need something, it’s hard to walk back from that.

    • Jake September 16, 2025 (8:49 am)

      Hi, do you have a civil engineering degree? Or experience in engineering management? I am questioning a commenter who is saying different than a team of engineering managers. Do you have other regional (different counties, different codes, etc) transit experience? What are you able to compare it to? Have you compared it to other cities’ work? As you know, the multi contract thing is not “just cuz” as you seem to oversimplify.

    • Peter Lemon Jello September 16, 2025 (5:17 pm)

      I’m also an electrician, have been one for 30 years.Last I checked, contrary to what so many electricians believe, we are not engineers and are not qualified to deliver credible and qualified opinions about engineering matters of why things are built the way that they are. I suggest you stay in your lane, bend you pipe, pull  your MC and wire, etc., because you don’t know what your talking about. As a former PM doing public projects I feel comfortable saying that the engineering concerns, from civil, on through mechanical and electrical are beyond your real understanding, if not you willingness to opine.

  • IDC9 September 16, 2025 (2:30 pm)

    The cost of this project is getting way out of hand! West Seattle needs better public transportation options, and light rail could be a great one. But the cost has got to come down. How that could be done? I really don’t know. Lately, it seems like even when projects get scaled back, they still end up costing more, thanks in part to inflation. Add in the tariffs, and you have a recipe for major cost overruns. So even making big moves like axing the Avalon Station, as some here have suggested, might not deliver the necessary cost savings to make this project viable. As an alternative option, maybe there should be more bus routes to take passengers from different neighborhoods across West Seattle to the water taxi, which, as I understand it, often has capacity available. In downtown Seattle, add a direct bus route from the water taxi dock to the Central light rail station. Not the most efficient alternative, I know. But it could be a stop gap until the West Seattle light rail can be brought online.

  • Peter Lemon Jello September 16, 2025 (5:24 pm)

    As I read the comments about cost I would remind you that the costs that you have locked in your heads are from years ago. Material, labor, engineering, etc. all have increased. To think that they wouldn’t is pure fantasy.As for the need for this, as reliable public transportation, this system is needed. We have terribly public transportation and more buses are not a real solution. Many cities and regions just make it happen. They say that we need this so lets do it. Seattle is hard. Everyone wants a say. Alas, we’ve been dragging our feet for so long that the costs are higher. Ultimately we have to bite the bullet and just get it done. 

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