FOLLOWUP: More 25-mph speed-limit signs going up in West Seattle

Thanks to everyone who has tipped us about SDOT crews installing 25-mph speed-limit signage – including that photo from 35th SW near SW Ida, sent this morning by Jennifer. So much has hapened theee past few months that you might not remember the city announced the change last December (here’s our report), saying it would be making the change “on major streets citywide” because serious-injury crashes were going up. The signage installation has just accelerated here, mentioned in two of this week’s West Seattle Bridge closure-related meetings as an emphasis along streets that are getting more usage because of bridge-related detouring.

(WSB photo: Newly installed sign on EB Thistle east of California – the small flags preceded the installation)

We asked SDOT about the new wave of sign installation and received this reply (which did not acknowledge that installation HAS resumed):

Since the beginning of the year we’ve installed new 25mph speed limit signs on Alki Ave SW and Harbor Ave SW. This work was completed in March.

We were just beginning to get started with sign installations in West Seattle when we temporarily paused this work city-wide due to the COVID-19 emergency response effort and the Stay Home, Stay Healthy order. When work resumes, we will finish installing signs throughout West Seattle, prioritizing the corridors with the highest traffic volume increase due to the West Seattle Bridge closure.

This work is especially important to the area right now because about a quarter of the time we spend sitting in traffic is due to crashes. In other parts of the city, we’ve seen as much as a 35% – 45% reduction in crashes after installing 25 mph speed limit signs on comparable streets, so we expect that these 25 mph speed limits will be an essential part of our plan to keep West Seattle moving.

In our followup on the December announcement, SDOT told us the signage would eventually be installed along all arterials citywide, plus: “Over the next two years, the Seattle Police Department will also double the number of red-light cameras and add safety cameras at five new school zones. SPD will provide 1,200 additional hours of enforcement on high-injury streets focused on giving warnings and driver education.”

82 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: More 25-mph speed-limit signs going up in West Seattle"

  • Elton April 24, 2020 (11:15 am)

    Are the signs really the problem though? There’s been folks racing on Alki and Beach Drive for quite a long time blowing way past 30 MPH. I’ve seen cops off and on more recently cracking down – I’d rather see more of that than different signs.  

    • BBILL April 24, 2020 (12:11 pm)

      “recently cracking down” might not be the best word choice.

    • chemist April 24, 2020 (1:04 pm)

      SDOT dropped the 35th SW S of Morgan speed from 35 to 30 mph as part of 35th SW phase 1 and reported a reduction in speeders, although not much reduction in overall speeds.  infoboard

  • Matt April 24, 2020 (11:23 am)

    Annoying that main arterial speed limits are lowered yet my street with a 25mph posted speed limit has an average of 35mph driven by 1,000 cars a day and we can’t get any sort of traffic calming.  I’ve actually been told that the only way they will think about it is if someone gets hurt or killed.  This is so backwards and will ultimately cause streets like mine to get worse as people seek out more shortcuts.

  • WS Taxpayer April 24, 2020 (11:23 am)

    Good thing we are spending $$ on this when we don’t have $$ to fix THE MOST IMPORTANT ROAD IN WEST SEATTLE!

    • WSJ April 24, 2020 (12:07 pm)

      You’re being sarcastic, but helping prevent people dying from being run over is more important than your commute times, and this might shock you, but it’s possible to do two things at once. 

    • BBILL April 24, 2020 (12:16 pm)

      It is unrealistic to expect that construction, maintenance of all other roads in Seattle, other transportation infrastructure, come to a halt because one road has cracks. It is reasonable, however, to expect that the West Seattle Bridge be a priority in terms of repair, which from all accounts, it is.

    • WR April 24, 2020 (12:29 pm)

      Agreed.  Sdot strikes again. 

    • tsurly April 24, 2020 (1:10 pm)

      West Seattle makes up about 12% of the city’s population. No matter how much WS residents kick and scream like children, we will not and should not get all of SDOT’s budget. 

      • WS Resident April 24, 2020 (2:01 pm)

        West Seattle might only make up 12% of the cities population but the West Seattle Bridge is the busiest road in all of Seattle. So yes we should get more of the budget then other areas. 

        • BBILL April 24, 2020 (3:30 pm)

          West Seattle Bridge might have been the busiest 1.5 miles of road a couple months ago, but it carried a small percentage of the total miles of travel in Seattle.

        • Ice April 24, 2020 (4:07 pm)

          “We consume proportionally more resources therefore, we should be given proportionally more resources” is the argument you are making here.

        • mjc April 25, 2020 (10:54 am)

          Busiest *bridge* not busiest road in Seattle. 

          • WSB April 25, 2020 (11:00 am)

            It is technically a city street and it did have the highest volume of any street in the city.

      • AT April 25, 2020 (8:06 am)

        Bridge use is not limited to residents.  Some people actually live in other neighborhoods and commute to West Seattle to work!  Also visit, play, deliver, shop, etc. 

  • bubbasaurus April 24, 2020 (11:52 am)

    Statistics without context mean nothing. If you have 10 accidents a year on a roadway and reduce them by 35 to 45 percent, you now have 6 or 7 a year. However, you’ve reduced the throughput of the roadway by a third to accomplish this.  Love how SDOT thinks this is keeping West Seattle moving. Gotta love project zero vision!

    • Citizen Sane April 24, 2020 (3:15 pm)

      Statistics without context mean nothing, and you just proved it with your post. Reducing the speed limit only reduces traffic if you have a constant stream of it 24/7. The same number of cars will be traveling that road; it merely means they’ll need to take a bit more time to travel that route segment.

    • BBILL April 24, 2020 (3:33 pm)

      The severity of damage at lower speeds, and bodily injury, goes way down. In other words, even if there are *more* incidents at lower speeds, the impact in terms of property damage, injury and death is lower.

    • CAM April 24, 2020 (5:19 pm)

      But would those 3 or 4 people who aren’t spending the next 2 years in PT agree with you? 

    • Ice April 25, 2020 (7:27 am)

      “3 or 4 human lives a year are worth my ability to drive 35mph instead of instead of 25mph” is the argument you are making here.

    • Dan April 30, 2020 (3:47 pm)

      The truth is cars and traffic flow are necessary in our modern world. We want safer streets, but if you really want to make these as safe as possible we need to ban cars and trucks altogether. And bicycles too. Everybody would have to be a pedestrian. And if a bus should hurt or kill someone, then they should be banned. It seems to me that reducing speed limits isn’t the answer. The enforcement of the traffic laws at a higher speed limit would be better. The same people going 45mph in a 30 zone are going to go 45 in a 25 zone. Perhaps we should start off with a 10mph citywide speed limit? It would be safer still than 25. Maybe then we can go down to 5. 

  • Daphneadora April 24, 2020 (11:58 am)

    25 MPH signs were installed on 9th Ave SW yesterday. As I look out my dinning room window, it’s apparent no one had noticed them or has decided to follow the new speed limit yet. I think it’s going to take a lot of intervention for speeds on this street to change. In the 5 years I’ve lived on this street I can’t remember ever seeing any type of speed enforcement. 

  • Bob Lang April 24, 2020 (12:02 pm)

    Couldn’t agree more WS Taxpayer.Get the bridge built now.  It is possible.  Other projects have been completed in less time.  This is a state of emergency.  

  • Mj April 24, 2020 (12:13 pm)

    Matt – you are correct.  Posting the same speed limit on a Principal Arterial street as exists on lesser streets will result in more motorists cutting through neighborhoods.  And WS yes you would think that with limited resources that SDoT would spend them on more important needs.  #’s on a sign do not change traffic speed, the City’s own study noted this.

  • Chris April 24, 2020 (12:28 pm)

    As someone who lives along Interstate 35, SPD never enforced the current speed limits, I dont know why people think they will enforce the lowered ones.   I think giving warnings is ridiculous.  People know what they are doing and a warning wont stop them.  Maybe a hefty fine will make them think twice.

  • j24 April 24, 2020 (12:30 pm)

    Once we all go back to work and trying to get out of WS the new norm will be about 5 mph.  Enjoy the 25 mph while you can!!

  • JRR April 24, 2020 (12:40 pm)

    I’m hopeful this will discourage the highway speeds on Roxbury.

    • DC Morriosn April 27, 2020 (9:58 am)

      Perhaps the SDOT in their miniscule amt of wisdom should actually LISTEN to the people of West Seattle and move it back to 30 mph and reinstate the two lanes going in each direction like it was before this stupidity happened. People need to be able to travel at normal speeds and are extremely frustrated. No thanks to the West Seattle traffic group who pushed for this nonsense.

  • CandrewB April 24, 2020 (12:40 pm)

    Aren’t they going to have a $300 million shortfall? 

  • Tricia April 24, 2020 (12:44 pm)

    Speed reductions on the main thoroughfare to the detours of the WSB do not make sense.  It drives people into the side streets to avoid the main roads.  If anything we should be adding more capacity these main streets (35th and Roxbury particularly).I agree with an earlier poster…patrols and cracking down on speeders works better to enforce the normal speed limit and keep traffic moving on the larger roads and off the side streets.

    • Ali April 25, 2020 (2:07 pm)

      I agree. I live in a neighborhood between Fauntleroy and 35th. People fly through my street which is basically a one way road. It got so much worse when the construction happened. Both my pets were hit and killed and I’m terrified to let me children play out front. Reducing speeds on main roads will just redirect traffic to the side streets that aren’t equipped for it. It will also add to the frustration and rage driving that seems to have gotten worse over the last couple years. 

  • GWG April 24, 2020 (12:59 pm)

    And the money grab starts!

  • Barton April 24, 2020 (1:08 pm)

    Because that seems like an important expenditure right now.

  • Don Brubeck April 24, 2020 (1:33 pm)

    Welcome news for people walking, biking, crossing to bus stops.  If enough people voluntarily obey the law, and if there is some enforcement where they don’t, it will save lives.

  • Matt P April 24, 2020 (2:05 pm)

    I’ve left the house 4 times in the past 2 months and twice while going the speed limit once each on 35th and California, I was passed by someone using the center turn lane.   The reduction in traffic seems to have emboldened the people who feel a few seconds cut off their total drive time is worth putting everyone in danger.  I know lower limits reduces overall speeds, but we definitely need more enforcement.

    • Niki April 25, 2020 (7:19 pm)

      Me too! In the past 3 weeks I’ve been passed on California & Fauntleroy by cars screaming down the center turn lane.  Called SPD both times, don’t expect anything to come from it.

  • Krystal April 24, 2020 (2:51 pm)


  • dsa April 24, 2020 (3:10 pm)

    This won’t help with detour routing folks out of WS.  But SDOT seems to have little to no qualified traffic engineers on staff and it appears if they do they could care less about the detour routes as they relate to the vast majority of commuters.  It is in the end Durkans choice if she wants to get re elected or not.  Saying options are on the table and not authorizing anything is useless.  For example the single lane at the longhouse on West Marginal could be restored to two lanes and a signal installed as the Tribe had originally asked for.  But no, nobody at city hall is thinking.

    • WSJ April 25, 2020 (12:34 am)

      Doubling the number of lanes when there are multiple chokepoints where it narrows to a single lane or light at the end of the route accomplishes absolutely nothing. The actual traffic engineers you arrogantly dismiss understand this; you clearly don’t. 

      • chemist April 25, 2020 (1:01 am)

        If it does absolutely nothing, why are we supposed to use both lanes before there was a merge on the old viaduct?  Doesn’t the zipper merge and using two lanes ahead of it being more efficient argue against a temporary bottleneck being an absolute limit?

        • Jake May 6, 2020 (8:47 pm)

          Chemist: Um, what? This sentence is impossible to read.

  • Citizen Sane April 24, 2020 (3:17 pm)

    I’m pleased we’re doing this, but the key is enforcement. We simply don’t have enough cops to cover this. Let’s install speed radar cameras like we have in some school zones. When you have a 100% chance of being caught, you’ll be less tempted to flout the laws.

  • Bill April 24, 2020 (4:25 pm)

    Why speed limit signs. West Seattle is in dite need of stop signs. I can think of 4-5 interestions right now (especially near Burien/White Center borders) that have no traffic control whatsoever.

  • WiseWoman April 24, 2020 (4:46 pm)

    I agree the sign changes are useless waste of tax dollars for traffic. Signs don’t stop speeders like restraining order paper doesn’t stop abusers. And the money spent on this is wasteful. Even before pur bridge broke. This city makes roads smaller by taking lanes away and that is dangerous for us all as pedestrians, as bicyclists, and as drivers. SDOT is a joke and we will vote out Durkin!

  • DC Morrison April 24, 2020 (4:56 pm)

    I am completely aggravated at the 25 MPH ridiculous signs on 35th AVE SW! They waited until most people were not driving on the road to change the speed limit. I am urging people to stand up for road improvements and not corridor destruction!  Please call SDOT to let your voice be heard!  As a lifetime resident & with a family history in West Seattle for over 100 years,  I can honestly say that West Seattle residents, drivers, pedestrians, and other travelers DO NOT APPROVE of this change.  They will have to change it back, or even better INCREASE the limit to 40MPH to keep people moving.  This is the most desired issue for Washington State according to WSDOT’s own study!  With the increase in traffic due to the bridge needing to be replaced, I guess they do not want anyone to be able to go anywhere in the city at all. Not to mention the added pollution from the stalled traffic, including Metro.  Doesn’t the Mayor or the head of the SDOT care about the children?  Our future is filled with pollution and stuck cars only add to this. We went through this mess about 4-5 years ago when they tried to change the road to single lanes going in each direction. We effectively stopped this terrible idea, but still they were able to keep the South part of 35th in the single-lane corridor , yet still not cut down on accidents.  Their logic is flawed and their argument for using the center lane for emergency vehicles is a lie.  Cars just “hang out” in the middle lane, delivery vehicles clog them and some “brilliant” person decided to put in permanent, cement, eyesore, traffic obstructions along Delridge’s single lane misuse of city property. The traffic speed camera is illegal due to several reasons, yet it still is being used to supplement city funds. Another issue is the SW Avalon parking mess, designed by a child, or someone who does not & has not driven on that road for the past 30 years.  Please call SDOT with your complaints and have them change the speed limit on the road back to 35 MPH. 206 684 – 7623.

    • Tsurly April 24, 2020 (7:46 pm)

      Nice tantrum.

      • Duder April 24, 2020 (8:15 pm)

        Nice tantrum? That was a well thought out post from a real resident being affected by the stupid decisions of a few. Soon you’ll wish for the 35th of old.

        • Tsurly April 25, 2020 (7:25 am)

          Nope, I will continue to support these kind of safety improvements.

        • Ice April 25, 2020 (7:51 am)

          As someone who lives on 35th ave, I can say with a good amount of certainty that I won’t be wishing for the ‘35th of old’ any time soon.

    • Delridge dad April 24, 2020 (10:10 pm)

      I just sent a thank you note to sdot for these changes. It’s great to see them prioritizing safety. 

    • Darryll April 25, 2020 (1:43 am)

      Wow. Toddler level self-centeredness. There need to be disincentives to single occupancy vehicles. People’s lives are more important than the couple of hours you save in a year by driving 30 instead of 25. Challenge yourself to be a pedestrian for just a week, then come back and try again. 

    • WS Renter April 26, 2020 (10:29 am)

      Thanks, I just called SDOT and thanked them for the traffic calming measures. The comments on this blog are the equivalent of “old man yells at cloud” sometimes – severely out of touch with reality, self-centered, and dismissive. 

    • CSG April 27, 2020 (9:54 am)

      I actually just called SDOT and thanked them for lowering the speed. There are many young families with children, as well as retired citizens who 35th for walking and cycling. Preventing accidents is much more important than lowering one’s commute for a few minutes. @DC Morrison, since you describe yourself a lifetime resident of WS, I would have expected that you care for this community and for the safety of its residents. 

      • S - in West Seattle May 6, 2020 (9:04 am)

        If I could swear on this blog I would. 35th is not a neighborhood road. It is a main traffic moving road. If you wanted to live on a street that was protected then you should had bought on one. The only reason you probley got the house was it was cheaper since it was on 35th. 

  • flimflam April 24, 2020 (5:44 pm)

    seems like a huge waste of funds at considering the times….

  • Graciano April 24, 2020 (6:29 pm)

    Since the west Seattle bridge is closed, 35th and Roxbury need to made back to two lanes in each direction. with a 35mph speed limit. The traffic lights through White Center need to be timed to keep traffic flowing.

  • Mj April 24, 2020 (6:29 pm)

    DC Morrison – I agree call SDoT and complain, it worked in Olympia a few years back when the City did a similar change on a Principal Arterial. 

  • 22blades April 24, 2020 (7:17 pm)

    Who cares what the speed limit sign says? Traffic will be crawling at 5 mph when the city does it’s “soft opening” anyway! Personally, I’d like more 20 MPH Residential signs & enforcement.

  • Going 28 April 24, 2020 (7:18 pm)

    Woot! Everyday is Sunday driving in Seattle now! 

  • Doug April 24, 2020 (9:06 pm)

    because serious-injury crashes were going upYes, of course they’re going up, and I predicted exactly this when they implemented Vision zero. Instead of backing away from Vision zero they’re visioning zero harder.When your plan results in the exact opposite of its it’s intended results, your plan is a failure.

    • Ice April 25, 2020 (8:07 am)

      Except not. You are shooting an arrow and drawing a target around where it landed. Fatalities are going up nation-wide. Distracted driving is a problem everywhere. The per capita percentage of fatalities has gone up less in Seattle than in a place like Phoenix or Houston.

      • Hugh Reeves May 12, 2020 (2:25 pm)

        When everybody goes back to work and traffic is bumper to bumper 25 mph will make sure nobody can get out of West Seattle and air polution will double.

  • Driver April 24, 2020 (9:26 pm)

    I’m an essential worker who’s pay was lowered and told thanks for years at Renton but now you will be working in Everett. Truman show of a life

  • 1994 April 24, 2020 (9:49 pm)

    I am beginning to believe SDOT stands for the Seattle Department of Transition…..never ending transition to not moving Seattle. What a shame and not a good use of taxes. I was a bike commuter in my younger days in Tacoma and in Seattle. I didn’t need a special bike lane or greenway to ride my bike and I am still alive. Those greenway enhancement are a total waste of money. The Dept of Transition actually needs to learn to go with the flow and improve the side streets being used by cars for the cars. Why keep fighting it when the number of cars is not going down? 

    • Darryll April 25, 2020 (1:49 am)

      Well, I guess since you’re done being a bike commuter, then so is everyone else?  Let’s just all sit around and get old and dumpy together, in separate cars. 😆Seriously, though. I’m 50 this year and have no intention to stop voting to eliminate cars and the massive waste they represent. I work downtown and I drove fewer than 2500 miles last year. 

      • Audrey April 25, 2020 (5:57 am)

        Must be a lot of single people in West Seattle owning bikes, good luck taking your spouse or date out for dinner or a movie on your handlebars after this blows over folks. 

        • Darryll April 25, 2020 (9:22 am)

          I’m married and have an eight year old. We sometimes drive, but we stop at stop signs and drive 20 mph if that’s the limit. We’ve even taken the bus downtown for family activities like movies. What’s crazy to me is people’s inability to question their default behaviors. 

          • Tsurly April 25, 2020 (11:57 am)

            Well said. My family (wife and two kids) manage to do so many things without driving.

  • No bridge for me April 24, 2020 (10:25 pm)

    25 mph is way too low for a street like 35th. There is no way people will respect this because it doesn’t make any sense. Instead of lowering the speed limits, they should be enforcing the current one and improving the streets and signals.

    • Kathy April 25, 2020 (12:44 pm)
      1. If this virus has taught us anything, it’s that it won’t kill us to slow down, in fact it is better for us. Slower speeds = less pollution-causing fuel burnt, less climate warming that is killing our environment, less death on the roads, less incapacitating injuries, less property damage, less stress and heartache. You were used to going faster, get used to going slower and plan ahead, you will still get to your destination, and more safely with fewer traffic jams due to collisions. Time is money you say? So be it, opt for less money and more health for ourselves and our planet. Money can’t buy you health.
  • JRR April 25, 2020 (10:04 am)

    Convenience isn’t more important than lives or the quality of life for people living on the streets you consider to be West Seattle highways. Roxbury and 35th have both needed lane reductions for decades and should never have been used as high-speed thoroughfares. Sdot should NOT GO BACK on efforts that have improved the safety of these streets for community members who call them home. 

    • chemist April 25, 2020 (11:13 am)

      Maybe you should talk to SDOT about the fraction of 100,000 daily vehicle trips that are being directed down your street for the next several years? 35th is identified as an arterial that folks should use.  They need to plan for that street having 5 figures more daily traffic and you should too.  SDOT says to take transit, but the RR C was standing room and bypassing folks on avalon pre-covid and only 20,000 folks using the high bridge in buses.  Seattle needs to procure bus runs for double or triple that number of folks.  This will be shared sacrifice time citywide.

      • JRR April 25, 2020 (8:46 pm)

        White center and vicinity already deals with enough from ineffective municipal structures. Continued improvement in pedestrian safety is more important than moving cars through as fast as they want, with passing lanes. I talk to sdot about this stuff all the time. It’s an equity issue.

  • YES2WS April 25, 2020 (10:35 am)

    Thank you, Audrey! As a sometimes cyclist, I get fed up with the condescending attitudes that several bicyclists have. Why they’re not hearing how infeasible biking is to numerous individuals and for numerous reasons, is beyond me.  Your comment is golden in a touche’ sense of the word. :-)

  • Guy April 25, 2020 (12:47 pm)

    Great, add more signs no one enforces. I have never seen police in the city enforcing anything – people driving on HOV with only a driver, people speeding, people driving through red lights… There’s no police presence, how will signs help?!? 

    • WSB April 25, 2020 (12:51 pm)

      You must not have been anywhere near the low bridge lately!

  • westsearsd April 25, 2020 (1:16 pm)

    Agree with many others – traffic signs are pointless if the speed limit isn’t enforced. I don’t think there was anything wrong with the prior speed limits, it’s just that no one followed them. I have never in all the time I’ve lived in West Seattle seen a cop enforcing the speed limit. 

    • I'm the one April 26, 2020 (11:42 am)

      I’ve lived in Highland Park and White Center for maybe a decade, and yes, I speed regularly. Typically 5-10 over the limit. I’ve been stopped for speeding ONCE. I was doing 42 mph down Highland Park Drive ON A BICYCLE!
      I’m absolutely convinced that even traffic engineers don’t actually believe that people obey speed limits, and police don’t strictly enforce them either. Like, it’s not worth their time unless you are actually exceeding the posted speed limit by at least 10 mph.

  • Any M April 26, 2020 (5:55 pm)

    How in god’s name is traffic supposed to move once people go back to work, with the bridge closed, at 25 mph? 35th and Roxbury are both major arterials, meant to move traffic. They are not residential streets. This is fuc*ing ridiculous. 

  • WS Citzn April 28, 2020 (6:21 pm)

    I keep seeing that people are equating slow vehicle speeds with less air pollution.  Not true! The WSB was funded with city state and federal funds.  The long and short of it, part of the original federal funding to originally build the now cracked bridge was justified as a method to reduce traffic congestion and air pollution in the Duwamish valley. Air quality tests demonstrate that cars are less fuel efficient  at lower speeds for the same distance driven.  Primary reason for dollars expended for additional mass transit, bike right of ways and improved roadways for less congestion are now part of air quality improvement standards.  It is not the cars but congestion that has recently been increasing the air pollution.  Todays cars at there optimum operating speed make near ZERO air pollution. The problem is they are forced to go slower by congestion and posted limits.  Seattle obtained some state and federal $$ to reduce congestion in an effort to improve air quality.  Peek efficiency is achieved between 35-65 mph most vehicles. Not fixing the bridge increases both congestion and air pollution.

    • heartless April 28, 2020 (8:03 pm)

      “Todays cars at there optimum operating speed make near ZERO air pollution. The problem is they are forced to go slower by congestion and posted limits.”

      Nah.  Believe it or not, all cars have to start from a standstill in order to get up to whatever “optimum operating speed” you’re talking about.  And because of pesky things like pedestrians and cross traffic and, well, being in a goddamn city, cars also need to stop and start again–all of the time.  So the real problem is acceleration which, perhaps obviously, there is a lot more of the faster you want to go.  So no: faster is not better–at least not in any urban environment.

      What DOES decrease pollution from cars is smoothness–easy, smooth acceleration, traffic circles (when possible) rather than stop signs or uncontrolled intersections, and well-timed signals.  Driving 55 thru Seattle ain’t the answer.


      I love this part: “It is not the cars but congestion that has recently been increasing the air pollution.”  I mean…  What the hell do you think is behind the congestion?  This is like exclaiming “It’s not the cigarettes and sunburns but cancer that has been harming people!”  

  • WSDAD April 30, 2020 (7:23 pm)

    25 is absolutely ridiculous. Traffic lights are horribly timed already. 25 is going to enable how bad Seattle drivers already are. Traffic is going to be horrendous. West Seattle was so much cooler before all these people kept moving in & gentrifying the neighborhood. Absolutely disappointing. 

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