FOLLOWUP: Why power lines aren’t, and won’t be, undergrounded along falling-tree-prone Highland Park Way hill

(WSB photo: City Light truck on Highland Park Way during Sunday night’s outage)

The question came up again after Sunday night’s 2,100+-customer power outage from Puget Ridge to White Center: Since the line along the Highland Park Way hill seems to be particularly vulnerable, wouldn’t it make sense to put that line underground? We took the question to Seattle City Light.

Short answer: No.

Long answer, via SCL spokesperson Connie McDougall:

I’m told that the utility is aware of that area’s outages, and of course regrets the inconvenience, but City Light does not consider an underground system to be a viable solution for that area.

As one person told me, these kinds of projects are not only enormously expensive, but also very complex. Some folks might think it’s just a matter of digging a trench and then installing power lines but it’s not that simple. There’s a lot to consider.

Part of it is environmental. Crews would have to remove hundreds of healthy trees in the greenbelt area to make way for such a system, which in turn would damage roots of nearby trees. Also, by mayoral executive order, when crews remove one tree, they must replace with two suitable trees. Just making room for that scope of planting would mean thinning out hundreds of additional trees, adding to the cost to say nothing of aesthetic issues. Also, there are protected wetlands in the area, which further complicates it.

The other reason City Light would not consider an underground system viable for that area is our commitment to cost effectiveness. Even if you could somehow overcome all of the environmental issues, this would be a multi-million dollar job, using funds the utility simply does not have. Like everyone else, City Light has to stick to a budget and must make decisions and choices that are fiscally responsible.

To reduce tree-related outages, City Light’s vegetation management folks did trim the trees immediately around the wires in that area in May of this year. They trim about 10-feet around the powerlines, perhaps a few feet more depending on the situation. They try not to cut any more than is necessary for both practical and aesthetic reasons. The tree that caused your recent outage last weekend was not in that trim zone, but had a large reach, so when it went down, it went into the lines. This is just the nature of a greenbelt. And again, for practical and aesthetic reason, crews never trim trees deep into an area, but only around the wires.

This may not be any consolation, but you may also want to tell readers that when there’s an outage underground, it takes much longer to find it and repair it. Crews literally have to look into all the vaults in the area until they find the one with the problem. Overhead outages are a lot easier to find and repair, so customers get their power back sooner.

In newer construction of course, developers and contractors can plan for underground systems and build it into the cost and scope of the project.

Other tree-linked outages traced to that stretch include last August and March 2014; in November 2013, a car-vs.-pole crash there caused an outage with the same basic footprint. Those are just the ones we found easily in our archive, which also includes the signature sign of the 2006 Hanukkah Eve windstorm aftermath,

10 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: Why power lines aren't, and won't be, undergrounded along falling-tree-prone Highland Park Way hill"

  • Alan November 6, 2015 (10:40 am)

    Thank you for asking the question. I can accept the answer on why undergrounding up HP Way is not an option, so I have to wonder if they are considering other paths. Why should a tree on HP Way take out power for South Park and into White Center (with South Park being the big head-scratcher)? There is a feeder coming up Holly from West Marginal and another coming up Kenyon, which come straight up the hill, so trees are less likely to fall across the lines. Now I am wondering if the lines coming up Kenyon are actually feeding South Park from the lines coming up HP Way. That makes no sense to me. Nor does running electrical feeders along an unstable hillside full of trees.

    I don’t pretend to understand the logistics of the delivery of electricity, but it seems like they have a weak spot in the chain that they need to figure out.

  • Mrs.T November 6, 2015 (12:00 pm)

    Having grown up until the age of 10 without indoor electricity or water, I don’t see what the big deal is going without power for a few hours (or days). That being said, for some reason in the going on 7 years I have lived at my current location, not once has our power gone out. They are doing something right here anyway!

  • datamuse November 6, 2015 (1:10 pm)

    I don’t know the full answer, Alan, but the power grid in this area is the strangest interconnected patchwork (I live in Highland Park near the top of the hill). Quite often, our next door neighbor’s power will go out and ours will not, or vice versa (after a storm a few years ago we ran an extension cord to their house to run their fridge for them because their power went out for several days). So, while I don’t know enough to know for sure, I wouldn’t be surprised if parts of South Park were connected to those HP Way lines for some reason, or something. We’ve lost power when a truck hit a utility pole down in the valley a couple of times.

  • Engineer November 6, 2015 (1:55 pm)

    Hi all. I’ve been an engineer for electrical utilities for over 5 years and this response from City Light is valid. Datamuse, the “strangest interconnected patchwork” is actually quite normal for a power system. The reason your neighbor has power and you don’t (or vice versa) is the fact that you are fed from different transformers or feeders. Some areas actually have a dividing line, where one area will be fed from one feeder and the next from another. If one feeder is damaged, the other stays in service. The same goes for transformers. You and your neighbors transformer may fail, but the one on the next pole will still be intact. It’s quite beautiful, the redundancy and design of these systems. It takes a very major event to knock out large areas, because of the design.

  • Alan November 6, 2015 (3:44 pm)

    After 25 years here, it would be easier to appreciate the redundancy of the system, if it wasn’t always done in the dark, viewing my neighbor’s being lit by power that passes directly by my house. There have been times when we have all been without power, but I can’t recall them being without power while ours was on.

    Beyond the inconvenience and discomfort, it is a waste of the food that ends up being thrown out, as well as a negative impact on the businesses included in this grid.

  • datamuse November 6, 2015 (5:02 pm)

    Thanks, Engineer. I had wondered if it had anything to do with my house being substantially newer than my neighbor’s. Does make it easier to help each other out!

  • westseattledood November 6, 2015 (6:47 pm)

    LOL. Redundancy is beautiful.

    Haha. Try telecommuting with a powerless modem. Not beautiful.

  • Engineer November 7, 2015 (7:18 am)

    Seattle has one of those most reliable power systems in the nation. This is a fact. Telecommuting with a powerless modem? You should get a generator, if you depend on electricity to make a living. Nearly a quarter of Earth lacks electricity to the home. People should feel a bit more appreciative, when the power only goes out a few times a year. When I lived off of 21st, we lost power twice in 3 years. Now I live in High Point and have not lost power in 7 years. I wanted to add that if ALL of your neighbors have power and you don’t, than that is your home or the service from the transformer directly to your home. You should call City Light and/or your electrician to find the issue.

  • Alan November 7, 2015 (11:22 am)

    Engineer – I do appreciate your input. I am not complaining about the overall system in Seattle. I am only pointing out the vulnerability of one stretch that happens to impact me. If I had not lost power in 7 years, I would be happy with the system too.

    This is the fourth outage that we have had in two years, per WSB’s documentation above. If it were a handful of homes, I could see why there would be little thought given to it, but 2,100 customers is a big hit.

    Does it make more sense for everyone on this leg to have generators or for City Light to consider other routing, rather than the one picked 100 years ago when the hill was likely bare of trees?

  • Alan November 7, 2015 (12:39 pm)

    OK, here is my suggestion to replacing the feed coming up Highland Park Way, based on my best guess as to what the current (no pun intended) design seems to be.

    Current design:

    Power comes up Highland Park Way, with a feed going up Webster for much of the Riverview area, north to Brandon, south to Holden and east to 18th or so. The line continues on 9th with a feed on Kenyon down to South Park, apparently serving most of South Park. The line continues south into White Center serving a fair block south of Roxbury and east of 13th. The problem with Highland Park Way is that the lines run next to an unstable hill, downhill from trees tall enough to fall on the lines.

    My suggestion:

    Instead of coming up the hill, use existing poles going south on Detroit to Kenyon. Then bring the power up the hill to customers there, while also using the existing Kenyon feed to South Park. Voila! No undergrounding and no new poles to put in. It is probably less work than it will take the next time a tree falls on the lines on Highland Park Way.
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    Note: It may be that more of Riverview could use the feed coming up Holly. While both the lines coming up Holly and Kenyon are coming up the same unstable hill, surrounded by trees, they are coming straight up the hill. The trees tend to fall downhill, as the hill gives way. They lean further and further before falling. So, the trees are less likely to fall across those feeds.

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