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June 3, 2010 at 5:20 pm #595042
DPMemberYou know, I used to feel intimidated by the voting process. Still do a little, actually. There are so many issues; it seems like I just don’t have the time or interest to stay on top of them all. Some of you wonks out there probably know where Senator Patty Murray stands on things like cap-and-trade, financial regulation, trade policy . . .
Bully for you, wonks! I think those issues are all important. But right now there’s an even more pressing problem at hand, and it’s one that I don’t have to do any more research on before making up my mind.
I’m speaking of the pipeline, of course.
No, no, not the one in the Gulf of Mexico. The other one. You know—the one that’s been gushing blood and money for nearly a decade? Senator Murray can’t do anything to stop the BP spill, but she could do a lot to stanch the bloodbath in Iraq and Afghanistan. If only she wanted to.
But there’s the rub: Does Senator Murray really want to plug the war pipeline? She talks a good game, but I have my doubts about her willingness to follow through. Let’s look at her voting record, shall we?
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Patty_Murray_War_+_Peace.htm
As you can see, the Senator’s record is mixed. Yes, she’s done some admirable things over the years; yes, she’s taken a stand here and there. Her initial vote against Bush’s Iraq War Resolution was particularly encouraging, for example. But has the Senator done anything to cut off the money supply for these dreadful, misbegotten wars, now that they’re well underway? Has she ever stood up to a President, as it is her right and duty to do under the Constitution and the War Powers Act?
No, she has not.
Therefore, I must conclude that either Senator Murray really doesn’t want to stop the war, or she simply doesn’t have the guts to do so.
For several years now, members of the West Seattle Neighbors for Peace and Justice have been trying to talk with the Senator on this. Unfortunately, she’s never agreed to meet with us in person; she always sends one of her aides instead. The aides listen politely as we read our statements urging the Senator to vote against war funding. “Oh, the Senator cares very much about your opinions,” they assure us. “She wants to stop the war as much as you do. She’s doing everything she can. Yadda yadda yadda.”
“Have a nice day,” they coo, shutting the door gently behind us.
So we commiserate over lattes, trundle back on the bus, and ride back home. Next morning, we pick up a copy of the Times and read that Senator Murray has voted for yet another war appropriations bill.
Gush gush gush goes the money.
Although Senator Murray has voted for Congressional resolutions to bring some troops home, establish timetables, and so on, you have to remember that a resolution is just that: a resolution. It doesn’t have the force of law. (Accordingly, Presidents always ignore resolutions they don’t agree with.) What does have force, though, is money. If only Ms. Murray—and other nominally anti-war senators—had voted to cut off funding then these wars would be over and thousands of people who have died needlessly would still be alive. Yet, crazily, instead of twisting the spigot shut when she had the chance, Murray has voted to open it even wider. In the upside-down logic of American politics, that’s called “supporting the troops.”
And the blood spills out upon the sand.
At one of our recent non-meetings with the Senator, a fellow named Don was there from our group. (Most Sundays, you can see Don at the West Seattle Junction with one of his gigantic home-made banners.) When it was Don’s turn to talk, he pointed out to the Senator’s aide that people in Iraq and Afghanistan are still being held incommunicado and tortured, and that it was intolerable to him to think of his tax money being used for that. Don’s like me; he’s no policy wonk. Yet his argument was disarmingly elegant. “My government is torturing people,” he said, “and I want that to stop. Senator Murray, you can do something about this. Stop funding these wars.”
I don’t know if the aide ever passed Don’s message along to the Senator, but all we ever got back from her was a form letter. In that letter the Senator seemed sympathetic, just like her aides said. But she certainly didn’t make any commitment to stop funding the wars, to say nothing of torture and illegal detentions.
As I said, I don’t know where Murray stands on other issues, but the torture thing seems pretty black-and-white to me. If she can’t get that one right, then why should I believe—or even care—what she thinks about . . . campaign finance reform?
These are challenging times we’re living in. Seems like pipelines are busting all over the place, sucking off our precious natural resources and fouling our world with the waste products of unbridled capitalism and greed. Right now we don’t need politicians who will sympathize with us, wring their hands, and then do nothing. We need leaders who know what to do and have the guts to do it. Goddamn it, people—we need someone in Congress who will step up and shut off these pipelines NOW!
—Even if it does cost them donations from military contractors.
—Even if it does stir up a swarm of hyper-patriotic whack-jobs.
Yes, I’m angry. (Is it that obvious?) I’m working on it, though.
I’ll probably feel a lot better after November, when I can at least vote against war and torture.
—Even if I can’t vote for a candidate.
David Preston
June 3, 2010
Seattle

BTW: Do my criticisms of Patty Murray mean I’m endorsing Dino Rossi for Senate? Oh hell, no! —Do you think I want another Slade Gorton running loose out there? But neither am I buying into the argument that if I don’t vote for Murray and Rossi wins, it’s somehow my fault. (That smells a little like George Bush’s if-you’re-not-with-us-you’re-agin’-us hogwash, don’t you think?) Nevertheless, in a future post, I will address the problem of who to vote for when there’s no one to vote for.
So stay tuned, and watch this space for more details on the David Preston for Senate write-in campaign.
;-)
June 3, 2010 at 5:44 pm #695777
JoBParticipantDavid..
i share your concerns big time.. i too have received more than my fair share of form letters from Senator Patty Murray that talked big, promised nothing and delivered less…
but… and i think this is a big but… what are our alternatives?
It is going to be difficult to get disaffected progressive democrats and independents out to vote in this election because they feel they have been let down so badly by the president and party they voted in… and that is exactly what the Republican party is counting on to put them back in the game.
I will agree that it looks likely that they will get back into the game no matter what we do here in Washington.. but do you really think adding Rossi or his counterpart to the mix is going to accomplish much for us here in Washington?
We are going to need each and every vote against Rossi that we can get… and every one of those votes needs to defeat his election. Like it or not.. our only real chance of doing that is to support Patty Murray.
i would like to remind you just what following Ralph Nadar down the primrose path of who to vote for when you want to make a point instead of voting for the better alternative got us..
it got us the Shrub and that hasn’t exactly turned out well for America… especially not on the torture front…
I admire you a lot..
but this is going to be one of those turning point elections and we can’t afford Dino Rossi for a day.. let alone an entire Senate term.. no matter how valid the point.
June 4, 2010 at 5:27 pm #695778
KenParticipantStatewide, this is a purple state. The only way Patty can lose this is if she stopped voting for the appropriations bills or someone peels off enough progressives in King county for the vast sea of wingnuts to the east to take the seat.
Either way your Ralph Nader.
Enjoy your life, glad it ain’t mine.
I have called and shown up at Patty’s office to express my displeasure with some of her triangulation and pandering early in her term when it was not necessary. At this point in the game, I will carry her flyers and call and beg for votes because a Senator Rossi is the last thing WA needs.
June 4, 2010 at 5:46 pm #695779
CarsonParticipantIts an old story, you hold your nose and pull the lever (thats how we used to do it). As many faults as Murray might have, they pale when put up next to Anti-Choice, Anti-Family, I am not running on that Issue, Dino Rossi.
June 5, 2010 at 4:55 am #695780
HMC RichParticipantGood thing for you guys Rossi’s charisma is generally low. Not that Mrs. Murray’s mom in tennis shoes act is all that compelling.
She is a pawn of the DNC. When Reid says jump, she says how high and what earmark should we attach to this bill.
It will be difficult for a Republican to win the seat but I have hope.
David. Obama is finally getting most of the troops out of Iraq. It is taking longer than you would like. But once I heard that Bush was sending in the troops, I wondered how long reconstruction would take (and if it would work). Too many lives have been lost but it happened. To be honest, I did not believe that we would be bringing them home this soon.
Kudos to you for being consistent. I am not happy about our effort in Afghanistan. I hate the fact that we are fighting two killers. The Taliban and Opium. While fighting the Taliban the farmers are cultivating the poppies and we do nothing about it. If we did, the Afghan government would kick us out in a couple of weeks I’m betting.
Never fight a war in Asia. When will we learn.
Anyway. Your displeasure with the system is good. Maybe we won’t have business as usual in Washington. Of course, we will most likely be voting for different candidates. I’m with the Wingnuts.
June 5, 2010 at 4:56 am #695781
DPMemberThese are mostly good points, folks.
(Ken, you’re going to have to do better than: “I’m glad I’m not you.” There are lot of folks who are glad they’re not you as well. So what?)
Alas, while I understand the Ralph Nader argument, I do not agree with it. At one time I did. Kinda. Sorta. But not any more.
Have you ever asked yourselves why the Ralph Naders of the world exist? I’ll tell you why. They exist because the Patty Murrays of the world existed first. They exist because voters are tired of being sold out, lied to, and cheated on, year after year after year.
As a voter, I’m the victim here. That’s right. I’m the one who’s been abused. So you think I’m going to let someone put me on trial for not sending my abuser back to office? Uh-uh, folks. Nothin’ doin’.
Let’s examine this voter culpability thing for a moment, shall we? Because it’s important to be clear on this.
Let’s say A, B, and C are running in an election. Candidate A wins, while B and C come in second and third in a close race.
I put it to you: Should a vote for Candidate C be construed as having actually been cast for Candidate A?
Morally, NO. That much is clear.
Technically? Um . . . maybe. But only if you can prove that the particular C voter you’re talking about WOULD HAVE voted for B had he known that otherwise A (the greater of two evils) would win. —And even in those circumstances, it only MATTERS to the degree that voting in that single election is the only political action any of the voters will ever take.
Thus, if voting in this election was the be all and end all of politics, AND it was a tight race, then yes, who you voted for would matter a lot.
But on the other hand, if voting was your only form of political expression (which we know it’s not) then would that even be a democracy you were in? Or would it be something else?
[Hm . . . he wondered, softly.]
In my opinion, voting is somewhat important. Sometimes. But it’s never ALL-important at any time. And it’s usually not even AS important as many other activities—like mass protest—that can have a far more profound effect on society. (Think of the Civil Rights Movement.)
But for the sake of argument, let’s say that Nader voters like me were somehow responsible for George Bush’s 2000 election. Are they therefore responsible for Bush’s crimes while he was in office?
Seriously?
Are Clinton voters (like Ken, presumably) to blame for the semen stains on Monica Lewinsky’s underwear?
Of course not. —Not unless they wanna be. (Ken?)
Ken, I propose a deal. How about you don’t blame me for whatever stupidity Rossi commits if he wins, and I won’t hold you personally responsible for dead Iraqi children if Murray wins. (Unless you want me to.) ‘kay?
Call me old-fashioned, but personally, I thought Mr. Bush should have been held accountable for his crimes. That’s right. I thought he should have been tried in court and sentenced to spend the rest of his life pushing vets in wheelchairs and spoonfeeding Iraqi amputees. But for some reason, which baffles me to this day, President Obama decided to let Bush and all his cronies, from the VP on down, wiggle right off the hook.
Oh well. I was disappointed by that. I guess it was just politics.
Anyway, if Bush is OFF the hook for war crimes, courtesy of the Dems, can anyone say that I’m somehow ON the hook for Bush, just because I voted for . . . Nader?
Come on, people! Think of the children! Put your anger where it belongs. Don’t blame evil politics on people who vote their conscience. Blame it on evil politicians who HAVE no conscience. And then do something about it.
It’s been a long time since high school civics, but as I recall, democracy means getting to vote for whoever you want to. Yes, even if it’s a close race and even if you know your guy isn’t gonna win. I know that sounds crazy to some, but the way I look at is: Hey,if you can’t vote for who you want, then what’s the point of voting?
—Or did you think democracy was just for “throwaway elections” that weren’t close or where nothing was at stake?
[Hm . . . he wondered, a little louder this time.]
You know, I think it’s an illusion, this idea that elections have such a big impact over the course of history. Did you ever wonder whether that’s just what THEY want you to think.
Or what about all those crotchety pundits and sexy news anchors who can be DEPEND-ed* upon to wet their pants every election year? Is it really because they’re so very EXCITED about “DECISION 20XX” ?
Or is it really just because they want YOU to be excited?
In terms of issues, ordinary citizens don’t seem to have much power anyway, as I implied in my original post about Senator Murray. On the issue of war, for example, Ole Tennis Shoes sure as hell doesn’t listen to me or any of my friends, even though we represent a huge slice of the electorate. But, you know what? It wouldn’t matter how many of Murray’s constituents were against the war anyway, because Murray doesn’t even listen to what actual human persons think. What she listens to are corporate “persons.” (Political action committees, military contractors, Microsoft.) And these corporate persons generally want war, not peace, because war is good for business, you see (or so they think) while peace is not.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely why we have war, and not peace. See how that works?
[Wow! How DOES he do it?]
So like I was saying, as far as the peace issue is concerned, Rossi might as well already be in, ’cause he and Murray are both for war, as far as I can tell—though I’m sure they’d never admit it, even as they’re shoveling more cash into the gaping maw of the Pentagon.
Trust me, Ken. We’re not in this mess because people vote for third-party candidates. No. We’re in this mess because the system itself is rigged to favor people like Murray and Rossi. Sell-outs and nitwits. So you can take your pick between those two if you want. And you can beg others to do so as well.
Just don’t blame me if you end up with a sell-out in office. And don’t blame me if you get a nitwit, either. ‘Cuz remember? —My choice was “None of the Above.”
–David Preston
Seattle
That’s P-R-E-S-T-O-N. Don’t forget in November, hear?*
*Product placement alert!
June 5, 2010 at 5:03 am #695782
HMC RichParticipantDavid. Are you running for that seat? I am serious about the question. If you are not, whom would you like to win it?
June 5, 2010 at 5:29 am #695783
DPMemberYes. I have decided to run for Murray’s seat. As a write-in candidate. Consider this my official announcement.
Am I the best qualified person in this state to be our next U.S. senator?
—Hardly.
Am I more qualified than any of the people currently waiting at Metro bus shelters in the Seattle area?
—Umm . . . maybe.
Am I more qualified than either of the other two frontrunners?
—Definitely.
Do I know that torture is wrong?
—Decidedly.
Am I sure?
—Yup.*
Air strikes on civilian targets?
—Um. Against ’em.
Even journalists?
—Yup. Afraid so.
Aw . . .
—No, no. Really. It’s a fairness thing.
Single-payer?
—For.
Green jobs?
—For.
Corporate donations?
—Against. No, wait! Would that include coffee grounds from Starbucks?
That will be all the questions for now, folks. I’ll let you talk to my press secretary, as soon as someone volunteers for that job.
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*Note that I did not say “Define torture.”
June 5, 2010 at 9:47 am #695784
KenParticipantWhile many of your points are valid, the fact is that you don’t understand math in a two party system.
The founders, especially Jefferson and Madison were appalled at the party system that developed. But the parliamentary system used by the British at the time required a monarch. Not acceptable. Modern parliamentary systems evolved later and still would not fit with our three legged “balance of powers” system.
Proportional representation voting could make third party, write-in and 4th, 5th and 6th party candidates viable by changing the math.
As it is, if the only voters you could pull would be the current non voters, then I would say go for it. Participation in the system is good for democracy.
That does not change the math of this zero sum game.
June 5, 2010 at 12:49 pm #695785
CarsonParticipantDavid, the bad news is, a vote for you, is a vote for Rossi. Its a chance we can’t afford to take.
June 5, 2010 at 2:43 pm #695786
JoBParticipantDP…
those who voted for Nadar aren’t responsible for Bush’s actions in office, but they did help get him elected in an election so close it was handed to our supreme court who played political football with it.
That might be ok with you.. but in hindsight.. i think we as a nation paid too much for the political expression of a few.
You didn’t elect Bush, but you also didn’t elect Gore… and he was the only viable alternative to Bush.
You can dance around that theoretically all you want to.. but the outcome speaks for itself..
I have to ask you.. just what did that gesture buy us? Is either party more responsive to progressives because of that vote? It is true that the democrats are pander for their vote with lots of rhetoric.. but have you seen any real payback for that vote since Obama took office? I haven’t.
Think about a Washington with Dino Rossi occupying that Senate Seat.
Is the outcome worth the gesture?
June 6, 2010 at 1:28 am #695787
DPMemberJoB:
So, I take it you don’t agree with my point that politics is really about more than just the current election? Right?
Everything’s really about the current election. Right?
Everything’s really about voting. Right?
What people do in between elections isn’t that important. Right?
I’m willing to go over this point again, if necessary, but what I’m REALLY saying is that elections aren’t that important. Epecially in this era of corporate dominance.
Do elections matter? —Yes. Sometimes.
Do they matter as much as other forms of political activity? —Usually not.
I’ll be covering this issue extensively in an upcoming post about Obama. So stay tuned.
–David P-R-E-S-T-O-N
P.S. Dino Rossi isn’t exactly the anti-Christ, you know. I bet he’s actually a pretty nice guy. True, he’s a nitwit. But then again, some of my best friends are nitwits.
June 6, 2010 at 2:52 am #695788
JanSParticipantfirst impressions stick a long time…and Dino Rossi’s first impression with me is not anti-christ, and not “a nice person”…it’s smarmy, slick, salesman, who has beliefs far different than mine, and I can’t in all good conscience vote for someone like that just to bring in something different.
And , in my book, voting is super important, as is what they do in between elections. It’s MY life they’re effing with, not their own. If they didn’t have the perks that they do, if it was a job that had yearly reviews, and if it’s ultra bad you get your ass canned, if they had to pay for what they get for free, well…maybe things would be different. They can’t relate to you and me a lot of the time. And it shows, more , IMO, by the right leaning, than the left leaning.
Opinions are just that, opinions. They’re like various parts of our anatomy. We all have them.
June 6, 2010 at 4:11 am #695789
JoBParticipantDP..
you protest every saturday because of the election Al Gore lost to George W Bush… but hey.. that was just an election. right?
Yes, politics is about more than an election.. but there are times when elections really matter.
As for Dino being a nice guy.. maybe.. if you are white, wealthy and conservative i would bet he is really nice to you.
If you’re not.. he might be nice to your face but his policies aren’t exactly what i would call nice…
June 6, 2010 at 7:10 pm #695790
dawsonctParticipantChange starts at the roots. If you REALLY want to affect change in local, state, and National politics you should get involved with your local political parties. The people who show up for meetings and pull a few volunteer shifts around party headquarters soon become the ones helping set the party platforms. Local politics are also where third parties are the most viable.
How long would it take for Seattle to elect a Green Party mayor?
THAT would send the Reichies into a tizzy!
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Addressing the symptoms of our current political establishment (Patty Murray; centrist policies emanating from the DLC; religious wackos hijacking a once reasonable political party) doesn’t change the system. If you REALLY want the parties and politicians to respond to you, then you need to invest more than an occasional, faceless, and essentially voiceless, vote.
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It is almost always easier to change a culture from within, as outside influence is usually perceived as an attack, even if the intentions were good.
June 7, 2010 at 12:29 am #695791
DPMemberI’m with you, dawsonct. However, I’m not sure that starting with the local Dems is the right way to go. If you get enough people to go with you to the meetings, then yeah, maybe.
(Anyone interested in forming a group to do that? If so, I’m all ears. Er . . . I mean fingers.)
Anyway, my experience with Local 34 has not been good. Last time I checked, 34 was much more interested in discussing personalities than platforms. When I tried to contact my local reps about this, the silence was deafening.
You said something about the Greens too, right? I’d probably go with that option instead. The closer you are to people who already share your core beliefs, the easier it is to bring them around on the little points. I’m pretty much spot on with the Greens. With the Dems . . . I’d pretty much have to start from scratch.
Here’s me at an official Democratic gathering:
“OK. Who’s for taking a stand against torture?”
“Anybody? Anybody?”
JoB: Actually, most of my time at the Junction is spent protesting Obama’s policies on war. You remember Obama . . . the Democrat?
The guy who beat McCain in the all-important ELECTION?
–David
June 7, 2010 at 1:01 am #695792
KenParticipantThe progressives took over the 34th district years ago. We got greens, socialist and democratic socialist as dues paying members. The are still lots of longshoremen, and other union members as well as business owners, fishermen, cops and the retired and disabled. A cross section of WS.
They show up over and over with no chip on their shoulder, stand up and state their position within the agenda and vote on propositions, bylaws and donations and endorsements to candidates.
There are even a few conservadems and they get the same chance to speak that everyone else does.
If you want to remain the outsider, you’re doing it right.
There are probably plenty of people at the 34th meetings that agree with your positions. I have no problem with most of them myself, but if you want to pull a “Bluto” charge and no one follows you, perhaps your message needs refining or the application of a little reality therapy.
June 7, 2010 at 4:40 am #695793
JoBParticipantBP..
you mean that Obama guy who took over from that Bush guy who diverted billions of dollars to defend the rights of oil companies in Iraq and overextended our military so badly that our kids can no longer count on their enlistments ever being up?
Yeah.. i remember that guy.
And i am as pissed as you that Obama is following a retreat from Iraq with an escalation in Afghanistan that won’t work and we don’t have the funds or manpower to maintain…
But I shudder to think what you would be protesting if dear John was sitting in the White House… Can you imagine a White House with the influence that promoted Sarah Palin having the ringside seat?
Imagine the war at home… because that crowd would like nothing more than to openly turn the guard loose on it’s own.
I lived through that.. watched helmeted riot police break up a picnic in a park fatally cracking the heads of a reporter and a child.
No thanks.
You think it couldn’t be worse. I know it could.
The past has returned in helpings too big for me to digest. That war is already being waged openly in the United States.. and people of concience are ignoring it.
If you were a person of any color living in Arizona.. Big John’s home ground… you would be painfully aware of what lurks below that barely civilized surface… any citizen can be stopped for a minor infraction of any kind and be hauled off to jail if they don’t immediately produce papers that satisfy the arresting officer.
Yes, this is aimed at immigrants but it is being applied to legal immigrants and their descendants as well as illegals.
And this racism is so pervasive that a mural in a public school in Prescott Arizona.. painted of the actual faces of the student body… was so insulting to the local powers that be that they have pressured the principal to call the artist back to lighten the skin of anyone of color… and there is little public outcry.
This is the reality of that trivialization of the alternatives.
Wake up. This is a deadly game.
June 8, 2010 at 12:42 am #695794
DPMemberHey, I’m not trivializing the difference between candidates. But neither am I exaggerating them to the point where I’ll prostitute myself to someone like Patty Murray, just because she represents the lesser of two evils.
Our tradition of relying on lukewarm corporate-approved politicans like Murray and Obama to solve real social and economic problems is part of the reason we’re in the mess we’re in. I keep saying that, but nobody’s listening. You just keep chanting your “Vote Democrat” mantra, as if that were imbued with some kind of special power.
Politics deadly? You bet it’s deadly, JoB. Just ask the hundreds of innocent civilians (women, kids, old folks) who have been killed by Predator drones since Obama took office.
If your response is: “Vote Democrat, because then we MIGHT have fewer deaths in Afghanistan” I’m sorry, but I’m not very enthused. I’d rather spend my time and energy trying to stop the war and keep the Bushes and Obamas of the future from starting any new ones.
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Ken: I agree with you that no one at the 34th would bolt the Dems over the issue of war. That’s precisely why I don’t think it’s wise for me to waste time on that.
I also agree with you that there are probably people there who do agree with me on issues. They just don’t agree with me on candidates, so in that respect they’re like you. They think winning the election is the most important thing, so their motto is “Our candidate, right or wrong.”
(Sound familiar?)
–D.P.
June 8, 2010 at 1:59 am #695795
JanSParticipantDP…so, if you had the power, right now, what would YOU do about Afghanistan? Specifically. Would you just announce that it’s done and over with and haul everyone out of there? Or would you do it piece by piece? You complain a lot about who is not doing what to your satisfaction, so tell us what YOU would do if it was your call, instead of just jumping on someone else. What are your answers? (and don’t go into it should never have happened. Many didn’t want the war in the first place, but reality is reality…it’s already done)
June 8, 2010 at 5:23 am #695796
JoBParticipantDP
the war is not the only issue here…
it’s one issue
and a big issue
and likely the issue that got Obama elected
but it is not the only issue.
Don’t kid yourself, Washington DC wields power… so if we are wise we make sure that we elect the best possible representatives … even if that means electing someone who does not truly represent us but comes closer to representing our beliefs than the other viable alternatives.
But there is also power vested in people.. that’s why the right wing has invested so much money in the great American con job…
To paraphrase Bill Ayers in his remarks on Sunday… An insurrection in thought is necessary to create an insurrection in political action…
You aren’t going to create an insurrection in thought by siphoning off voters from the candidate who is the lesser of two evils allowing the worst possible choice for you to win.
“F” you is not the answer.
You do that by talking with strangers and finding common ground.
It’s just possible that some of those who disagree with us are almost disgusted enough with the con job they are getting from their own party to listen.
In any event.. the steady dribble of fact not being reported in our main stream news eventually creates small corners of doubt.
A write in candidacy won’t even get you and your issues the attention of the mainstream press.
June 10, 2010 at 7:05 am #695797
HMC RichParticipantI just didn’t want JoB to have the last post on this. She will probably put another post on here just for fun anyway. ;-)
You know, if you vote for who you want and it is outside of the Democrat or Republican circle, then it is your vote, but also a wasted vote usually.
Since all politicians and us voters have lead us to this point in time, maybe it is time to change things.
You need to change the party closest to your views. Good Luck. The Progressives have slowly changed the Democratic Party. I think the Conservatives are going to change the Republican party. That leaves a lot of small parties and independents. The Independents decide our elections.
Finally, I want the war to end in Afghanistan too.
June 10, 2010 at 9:10 am #695798
charlabobParticipantI just have two words for the people who think it doesn’t matter whether dems or repubs are elected and that a “protest” vote will, in the long run, make a difference: Supreme Court.
We have a supreme court that chips away daily at anything approaching the constitution. The Chief Justice was confirmed because he flat out lied about his position on upholding precedent and the gutless fools who confirmed him didn’t stand up to his lies.
The latest abomination to come from the supremes is an “Emergency Ruling” throwing out a portion of Arizona’s public financing law which says that if one candidate gets an undue financial advantage from a private entity, hir opponent gets equivalent public funding to compensate. Yup, the supremes once again declared money to be part of free speech.
You may not think Obama’s picks are bastions of liberal thought, but they aren’t right wing automatons masquerading as “strict constructionists and that’s enough for me. I can rail with the best of us about how much more Obama should be doing, but, bottom line, I’ve seen the Supreme Court turn into a place where justice is denied to all but rich corporatists and that’s where my political purism is directed.
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