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April 12, 2010 at 7:53 pm #691930
sam-cParticipantCMP- you forgot Delridge, lots of pedestrians, school buses in the mornings, parallel parked cars, cars making turns out of driveways, streets etc. maybe I’ll start a NEW thread, campaigning for the City to lower its speed limit to 30.
or maybe not
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April 12, 2010 at 7:53 pm #691931
CarsonParticipantSo, Hooper, when Safeway wanted to remodel their store what do you think they did first, apply for a permit or present the plans to the community to have their support?
Insanity, its doing the same thing over and over again, each time expecting a different result…
April 12, 2010 at 7:57 pm #691932
hooper1961Membermixing apples and oranges now
April 12, 2010 at 7:58 pm #691933
CarsonParticipantNo. I am telling you how to get things done. But by all means, keep doing it your way, its obvious how well its working!!!
April 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm #691934
CMPParticipantHey, when I wanted some potholes fixed by SDOT on 1st Ave South, I emailed them every day and told them I’d continue to do so until they repaired the problem. And what do you know…they finally fixed them with enough badgering, although I’m sure I wasn’t the only one contacting them about the massive safety hazard. You could complain to King 5…isn’t it Jesse that investigates this kind of stuff?
Oh yeah,I agree with Delridge being another problem arterial with the speed limit, I just don’t drive it often so I left it off my list.
April 12, 2010 at 9:21 pm #691935
nuniMemberIs this close to the spot where that fatal accident happened the other night?
April 12, 2010 at 9:26 pm #691936
CarsonParticipantNuni, not sure what accident you mean. I live close to Hooper and he lives close enough to the accident site at Admiral and 37th that it should have made his bed rock
April 13, 2010 at 1:07 am #691937
JoBParticipantCMP..
labeling anyone’s argument lame is lame.
but you knew that, didn’t you.
this is a dead horse because Hooper1961 is not interested in dialog…
he has decided traffic experts and the standards they set for generic traffic areas have more standing than the neighbors who must negotiate the street in question.
As Carson points out… that is not how political pressure is applied in this city. The people who live next to Admiral Way and deal with it every day became the same kind of squeaky wheel that gets potholes fixed and the speed limit was decreased.
his argument is not lame.. but it is a very narrow viewpoint that is not supported by the statistics he provided for that stretch of road… yet he keeps repeating exactly the same points over and over as though that would change things…
i suspect 20% is a high number for my posts on this thread.. but i will concede that i have posted regularly on this subject on several threads.
That’s because i think it is important.
As a physically challenged person, i am well aware that our streets are not pedestrian friendly for the group of people who most need to be able to cross streets safely to use public transit.
That may not be a big deal to you now.. but this issue will eventually become personal as age makes those power rides up the hill on a bike less and less attractive.
If you look at the pedestrian fatalities in West Seattle in the past few years.. you will find that there are a disproportionate number of people who couldn’t get out of the way quickly enough of some driver who was more interested in getting someplace quickly while multitasking than pedestrian safety.
My point is simple.. those who are busy making their commute a competitive sport would do better to flex their competitive muscles in a way that provided exercise…
ride a bike.. take the bus.. get their behinds out of a car and discover that there are stil people trying to share those streets…
the few seconds gained by speeding down that hill would be better used admiring the view.
April 13, 2010 at 1:12 am #691938
KBearParticipantJoB takes 40 more whacks at the dead horse. But now I have the last blow. It’s not gonna get up again. And it’s certainly not gonna run 35 mph uphill.
April 13, 2010 at 1:20 am #691939
JoBParticipantApril 13, 2010 at 2:14 am #691940
hooper1961MemberI am more than interested in dialogue. Why do you think I have requested a a peer review of the traffic documentation? Yet the SDOT is not willing. WHY I ASK?
The traffic data I have from the City shows no material change in the 85% speed with the change in speed limit from 35 to 30 MPH. Thus the change in speed limit has not reduced the 85% speed but has increased accidents. Please explain to me why this is good?
Admiral Way SW is a multi-lane Principal Arterial serving over 20,000 motorists a day. I am very open to dialogue and have numerous statistics that clearly show that speed limits not set based on Traffic Engineering standards tend to result in less safe conditions for all users.
April 13, 2010 at 3:50 am #691941
CarsonParticipantHooper, why? I told you why. The question is why can’t you figure out how cities, and politics work. But by all means keep doing it your way, it seems to be working so well for you.
April 13, 2010 at 3:52 am #691942
hooper1961MemberCarson are you afraid of an honest dialogue? SDOT certainly is.
April 13, 2010 at 3:57 am #691943
CarsonParticipantI love dialogue, why do you think I told you how to get it done? The system isn’t going to change for you, the faster you figure that out, the faster you might get what you want.
April 13, 2010 at 4:04 am #691944
maplesyrupParticipanthooper you haven’t proven that the speed limit reduction is the cause of the increase in accidents.
April 13, 2010 at 4:58 am #691945
hooper1961Memberi have data from other street corridors with similar results; and national studies continue to show the same results. i am more than happy to share the data
April 13, 2010 at 5:03 am #691946
JoBParticipantmaplesyrup
hooper hasn’t proven there is an increase in accidents on that stretch of Admiral Way…
the data he provided for equal numbers of years was a wash…
April 13, 2010 at 5:20 am #691947
hooper1961Memberthe data showed a 15% increase. data i obtained from WSDOT indicated a higher increase in incidents
April 13, 2010 at 5:22 am #691948
hooper1961Memberwhy has the City SDOT not allowed for a peer review?
April 13, 2010 at 5:29 am #691949
miwsParticipantYou keep asking that, hooper, and the time has come to answer that for you.
The answer is…….42.
Mike
April 13, 2010 at 5:29 am #691950
maplesyrupParticipanthooper I get that you’re not a dumb guy but you’re sure evasive. Whether there is an increase in accidents or not (still debatable, JoB), the data do not prove a causal relationship between a change in the accident rate and the decrease of the speed limit. The sample is too small.
I suspect you know it and the city knows it as well.
April 13, 2010 at 5:40 am #691951
hooper1961Memberi have data from other corridors showing the same type of results. and there is extensive research done on the issue that clearly documents that properly set speed limits improve safety for all users. the 35 MPH met the criteria and should never have been changed in the first place! it was operating safely and efficiently!
April 13, 2010 at 6:20 am #691952
maplesyrupParticipantThe 15% increase in accidents has been a key component of your argument all along.
But the data you’ve presented do not back up the claim that the change in accident rates is the result of the decrease in the speed limit.
April 13, 2010 at 1:08 pm #691953
CarsonParticipantHooper. One huge flaw. Again. You don’t have the skills required to get your point to the only people that matter. The Community. You are preaching to like 12 people here, most of who think you are nuts. Don’t you get it yet? Why would SDOT give you 5 seconds of time? Get the support and you will get your meeting. Duh. I hope in the real world your clients pay you for your time and not results, because you don’t seem to be an effective negotiator or business man.
April 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm #691954
JoBParticipanthooper1961…
the data you provided only shows an increase in the number of accidents for that stretch of Admiral if you include an unequal number of years in your before and after.
if you don’t.. it’s a wash.
While it may certainly be true that like data produces a 15% increase in accidents on other stretches of road.. the jury is still out on this one.
time will tell on this particular stretch of road whether the generic assumptions about lowered speed limits holds true for Admiral Way..
but in the meantime manipulating data to fit assumptions doesn’t make your argument.
In spite of all political evidence to the contrary… repeating faulty or false data does not make it true.
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