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September 3, 2008 at 11:04 pm #636968
GenHillOneParticipantThe daughter’s pregnancy discussion is here – post 41 is the announcement:
https://westseattleblog.com/blog/forum/topic.php?id=1868&page=2&replies=105
(I think this thread is starting to duplicate that one)
September 3, 2008 at 11:06 pm #636969
JennyMember> Sarah Palin is the one who brought her daughter and her underage, unwed pregnancy into the spotlight, not anyone else. She is the only one to blame. She has started a smear campaign against her daughter. Poor kid.
Oh fer chrissakes, JenV, The McCain/Palin campaign disclosed her daughter’s embarrassing pregnancy because A) it was going to come out sooner or later anyway, and B) it disproved the Daily KOS blogslime that had been clogging the tubes all weekend about how Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy to cover up the “fact” that her daughter had gotten herself impregnated by her brother.
I kid you not.
September 3, 2008 at 11:19 pm #636970
AnonymousInactive“I call complete and utter bullcrap on your argument, NR.”
JenV – Why make this personal? Haven’t we evolved from there?
“…and now you’re crying liberal media bias when it happens here.” – JenV
You are misinterpreting me entirely. I am NOT “crying” liberal media bias. I simply pointed out that Palin put it out there, the media reported on it (as I believe it should have), but NO ONE is letting it go.
It’s news, I agree. It should have been made public, I agree. Now let’s move on, that’s all I’m saying. Heck, hasn’t Obama even stated that children should be “off limits”? Does your candidate not have enough of your support that you would heed his own advice?
September 3, 2008 at 11:28 pm #636971
JenVMemberit’s not personal, NR – your argument stinks. Has nothing to do with you personally. You need to stop seeing everything as a personal attack.
stop talking about it? are you kidding me? no one is just going to “stop talking about it” – it’s out there now. the same way no one stopped talking about Rev Wright, the same way the right wing media (and you) kept harping on Obama’s middle name….nope. Not gonna happen. We’re all too infused with schadenfreude now….we’ve put up with the attacks, now it’s our turn to talk about something and listen to the right wingers whine.
September 3, 2008 at 11:28 pm #636972
CPMemberObama is a better man than I am. That’s why he gets my vote.
September 3, 2008 at 11:30 pm #636973
AnonymousInactiveOh, I see. This is a we-are-gonna-get-back-at-the-Republicans.
Ok. Carry on…I’ll be watching for when people start discussing real issues.
Btw, THAT argument stinks.
September 3, 2008 at 11:35 pm #636974
JenVMemberdeal with it. You’re the one who kept harping on Barack HUSSEIN Obama a few months ago….how does it feel now? Sarah Palin is fair game!
September 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm #636975
CPMemberI think turnabout-as-fair-play is a pretty clean tactic given that we’re talking about American politics.
September 3, 2008 at 11:38 pm #636976
AnonymousInactiveUm, He is still Barack Hussein Obama. That’s his name.
That was actually really funny when I used his full name on this forum (that was, what? about 3 months ago?). Everyone was so incredibly upset.
What’s even more funny is that, to this day, several feel that it is okay to refer to Reps as “Repugs”.
One is name-calling, the other is using a person’s name.
September 3, 2008 at 11:41 pm #636977
JenVMemberShe is fair game, and that is all I am going to say about it. The right wingers need to learn to take as they give.
No personal attack to you, I am just tired of the argument now.
September 3, 2008 at 11:46 pm #636978
villagegreenMemberNR – No one is letting it go because that is the way present day American culture works. Has nothing to do with liberal or conservative media. This is no different than any other sensational celebrity scandal, e.g., Jamie Lynn Spears, Lindsay Lohan, David Hasselhoff, et al. The media becomes obsessed with a story and the public feeds off it creating a vicious circle.
I think what people are implying is that if Sarah Palin had any common sense whatsoever she would have realized that this is exactly what was going to happen when she accepted McCain’s offer. I think most would agree that she did know by accepting his offer her children and life choices would be put through extreme scrutiny – and yet she chose to put them through it anyway.
She has brought it all on herself. I’m not saying it’s justified, but she should have known what she was getting herself (and her kids) into. Blame the dumbing down of American culture if you have to blame anyone.
September 3, 2008 at 11:47 pm #636979
acemotelParticipantHussein is a FABULOUS middle name for a US president. I can’t think of any better name of anyone representing the United States in dealings with the Arab world, in spite of (or maybe because of) the fact that Obama is Christian.
September 3, 2008 at 11:51 pm #636980
villagegreenMemberAlso, I think Republicans should be rejoicing about this turn of events. The race has now turned into a circus and that is the only way the Republicans have a chance of winning in November – by not discussing the actual issues. If issues were the only criteria in the election the Republicans wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
September 4, 2008 at 12:10 am #636981
AnonymousInactiveVillagegreen – And who’s to say that her family is not able to sustain the scrutiny? Maybe they braced for the worst and prepared. Maybe it will tell us a heck of a lot about this family…. we shall see.
How, exactly, does a circus election help the Republican’s? As far as I can tell, Obama is the candidate who is not forthcoming about his plans on issues. He is vague and evasive when pressed.
What, exactly, is his plan for Iraq (in detail)?
September 4, 2008 at 12:51 am #636982
JoBParticipantNew Resident..
It’s obvious you don’t understand… both of your examples relate to ideas… which is perfectly acceptable… not to a person’s character which is not.
let’s try this one more time…
if you say something stupid i can call those ideas moronic, but i can’t call you a moron.
Attack the ideas not the person.
Tonya42..
it is not ok to make comments about another poster’s character on this forum.
I really don’t understand what part of that rule you don’t get.. but your latest post shows clearly that you don’t get it at all.
Please cease before someone feels it necessary to bring this to TR’s attention.
This kind of behavior just makes everyone uncomfortable and doesn’t accomplish anything.
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Do either of you really think that slandering the messenger refutes the message?
i am aware that is a standard republican tactic when the truth hits too close to home.. but really ladies, it doesn’t work so well on forums where people actually spend time thinking about the argument you made.
This is not the short attention span theater of the nightly news broadcasts or the theater of confrontation that we have come to expect from our talk shows.
In addition to annoying everyone else, you make yourselves appear incredibly stupid, foolish and unattractive when you engage in such tactics in a venue where ideas actually matter.
If you have something to say.. say it.
September 4, 2008 at 12:58 am #636983
JoBParticipantHow about some perspective..
Nobody even knew who Sarah Palin was a few days ago. And we still don’t.
I suspect in a decade or so no-one will remember who she was…
she clearly wasn’t important before she was named the VP pick.. and she isn’t that much more important now.
LOL… And the Republican’s tell us she is “making history”.
Sorry, Olympia Dukakis beat her by a generation.. or is it two now?
and it looks like they may share more than the VP nomination… husbands who become political liabilities:)
At least Olympia was actually qualified to serve on the national and international stage…
I just can’t see how a hockey mom and beauty queen is going to impress our international neighbors…
assets for a first lady.. yes.. possible president? not so much.
September 4, 2008 at 4:31 am #636984
angelescrestParticipantAcemotel,
I agree. The middle name Hussein could have real value as Obama tries to secure peace in the Middle East (and Africa and Southeast Asia….). Oh, why can’t we all see it that way?
That is my final thought for this evening.
September 4, 2008 at 7:27 am #636985
JanSParticipantI like the name “Hussein”…it means “good looking”…nothing wrong with that :)
September 4, 2008 at 5:24 pm #636986
JoBParticipantSometimes in the heat of battle, the obvious doesn’t occur to you.
The only way the comments about Sarah Palin’s attention.. or lack of attention to her family are insults is if you believe that her behavior is bad.
If you think marrying your 17 year old daughter off to the father of her baby.. a 17 year old who has left school… says something positive about parenting… then the fact that she is doing so is not an insult.
if you think choosing to travel home over 9 hours to a local medical clinic without declaring your possible medical emergency to the safety personnel on an airplane is a safe thing to do for the health of your baby after you have started labor… at an age and number of pregnancies that should have shortened that labor, pointing that out should not be an insult.
if you think running up hills and stressing your body to it’s max (her assessment, not mine) when 5 to 7 months pregnant is a good thing.. or controlling your weight so carefully that you don’t show during your 5th pregnancy after ballooning for the health of your other children is a good thing, it’s not an insult to point that out.
If you think bringing any 4 month old baby.. let alone a downs syndrome baby.. into a political convention for hours is a good thing… it’s not an insult to point it out.
The trouble is that most women don’t think that behavior is a good thing when they hear about it in their neighborhood.. so why would they think it is a good thing in a political candidate?
defensiveness about behavior that you would find unacceptable in the women you know is a sure sign that you have doubts yourself.
Sarah Palin may be the woman next door.. but not all of the women next door are role models.
In the words of some highly conservative professor’s wives my daughter overheard talking about Sarah Palin..
“Just who does she think she is, anyway?”
September 4, 2008 at 6:09 pm #636987
JenVMemberJoB- nicely stated.
September 4, 2008 at 6:19 pm #636988
TrickParticipantI agree JoB, very well said.
September 4, 2008 at 6:21 pm #636989
CPMemberJoB – bravo! If Giuliani can tell us he’s just “stating the fact” that Obama’s experience amounts to “zero, nada, nothing” than I think we can state a few facts as well.
September 5, 2008 at 12:52 am #636990
JoBParticipantI think that when you stack up the first big decision that both candidates had to make that could profoundly affect the well being of American citizens… we learned quickly who was looking out for us and who was looking out for their campaign.
The way that decisions played out was no surprise to me… and demonstrated the difference between the two parties.
Biden doesn’t have that much to offer a political campaign.. but he sure has a lot to offer as the fellow a heartbeat away from a presidency… he is already at the top of the learning curve about national and international matters.
Palin on the other hand is probably a great political asset, but someone will have to be writing her speeches and coaching her on national and international issues for a long time.
If McCain is elected, we will have to hope that his hearbeat continues long enough for Sarah Palin to find out what a Vice President does… because 4 years is too short a time for her to absorb the amount of coaching she will need to be fully conversant on matters of state.
September 5, 2008 at 1:15 am #636991
ZenguyParticipantMcCain wanted to pick Joe Biden or Tom Ridge (both pro-choice), the right complained and threatened to not support him…scrambling he came across Palin and picked her hastily. Not very mavericky! How many more choices will be made hastily, without due dilligence?
September 5, 2008 at 5:23 am #636992
JoBParticipantmy point exactly.
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