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January 13, 2011 at 2:39 am #597615
JiggersMemberI thought it was classless in how they went out of their way to honor these victims in a setting/forum of this magnitude. It was definetly political and uncalled for. There was no feeling of any somberness at all. It had more of a rock concert feel to it. What a disgrace if you asked me. But that’s me thinking.
January 13, 2011 at 2:52 am #713904
jamminjMember17000+ people in Tucson, who lived thru the tragedy seemed to have no problem with it.
But hey, anything he said wouldn’t have satisfied you I would ponder.
January 13, 2011 at 3:04 am #713905
SmittyParticipantOne thing I learned a long time ago was to never question how individuals mourn.
The little pieces of the speech I saw seemed pretty darn good.
January 13, 2011 at 3:11 am #713906
dobroParticipantThey held this event in the biggest place they had to do it, had 13000 people inside and 13000 more that couldn’t get in that watched it on video. That’s because a lot of people in the community cared and wanted to show it.
The speeches and readings were appropriate and Obama’s speech was moving and not political at all the way I see it.
Classless? Your attitude, pal. But that’s just me thinking.
January 13, 2011 at 3:26 am #713907
WMOParticipantNo jiggers, you are not thinking.
January 13, 2011 at 3:28 am #713908
RarelyEverParticipantWell, I’ll say – if Obama’s speech moved Smitty, I better go watch it right away! ;)
January 13, 2011 at 3:32 am #713909
JiggersMemberI just lost my dad recently. I guess people grieve differently today. It’s not how I would go about it.
January 13, 2011 at 3:36 am #713910
JanSParticipantthe people of Tucson needed to express this…they needed a cheer…and a remembrance..and to be brought together..and I thought he did it handsomely.
January 13, 2011 at 3:50 am #713911
jamminjMember“It’s not how I would go about it. “
that’s the problem, you want to make it about YOU. We ALL have different way of grieving, and you just $hit on the way that the city of Tucson decided to grieve. They weren’t forced to clap or cheer, they weren’t forced to cry, they weren’t forced to show up… but because it wasn’t YOUR way, they were wrong in your eyes.
January 13, 2011 at 3:55 am #713912
JoBParticipantjiggers…
first, let me say I am so sorry about the loss of your dad. It’s not ever easy to lose a parent.
i haven’t seen the video yet
and am not sure i want to
but there is a huge difference between public and private grieving…
this was an exceedingly public act
in a far too familiar setting.
January 13, 2011 at 4:06 am #713913
SmittyParticipantWell, “moved” is a bit much RE, but he did very well and went with the flow/energy of the crowd. He’s good at that.
I am moved by your photo though. What a wonderful city and country!
January 13, 2011 at 4:24 am #713914
AndyParticipantMourning, for some, is done quietly and mostly alone. For others, tens of thousands of people and the biggest TV audience possible is the recipe. Initially, I feel like the latter makes it too much about the mourner and not enough about the mourned, which is probably the point Jiggers was trying to make. Extremely, extremely valid.
Still, every time I think I can safely denounce one method of doing things, I start to see its validity.
Our cultural momentum has moved us into a vacuum of grand spectacle, where nothing subtle is significant. A thing’s importance is now measured in television cameras. Thousands of people die every day without fanfare, but a few people we don’t know, killed by someone we don’t know, who may have been motivated by some of our greatest celebrities – who we do not know, no matter how much we pretend – is a national tragedy. Let us hope it is not simply the connection to celebrity that causes our compulsion to be flamboyantly tearful.
Perhaps it is as it should be. I cannot expect my death, or that of a neighbor, or a random construction worker on the highway to rally the country’s sympathies. But if we can hold up an occasional tragedy as a rallying point for reason, then I say “roll tape.”
January 13, 2011 at 4:55 am #713915
JiggersMemberI’m not talking about Obama personally. He did what he had to do. I’m talking about the whole rock and roll scene that went with it. The last I read Tucson was A crappy place to live. They needed something positive to come out of this whole mess.
Thanks JoB..
January 13, 2011 at 5:03 am #713916
dobroParticipantA lot of people when faced with great loss or tragedy don’t know how to act. It’s the kind of thing that you can’t understand, no matter how many people tell you, until it happens to you.
Which is why laying a negative judgement on their “scene” or your hearsay about what Tuscon is like (I take it you haven’t been there) says a lot more about you than about them.
January 13, 2011 at 5:05 am #713917
elikapekaParticipantJiggers, I have to say that I was a little taken aback at the atmosphere myself. I thought it would be a little more somber. But I thought Obama struck the right tone and in the end it felt pretty good to me.
But what I think is truly classless is John Boehner opting to go to an RNC fundraiser instead of attending the Tucson event. Words fail me.
January 13, 2011 at 5:09 am #713918
JiggersMemberAnyways, Let them R.I.P and just let them be. But the media will drag it out out out…:(
January 13, 2011 at 5:47 am #713919
TDeParticipantWas John McCain there? I tuned in a little late and didn’t see him.
January 13, 2011 at 8:03 am #713920
dobroParticipantYes, McCain and Kyl were there but Boehner reportedly passed up an invitation from the White House and a free ride on Air Force 1 to attend a cocktail party/fundraiser rather than show any solidarity with Obama in addressing a national tragedy. He and Palin, with her “poor-me blood libel” video, pretty much showed us today what they think about that “coming together as a nation-ey” stuff.
If you’re looking for something classless, there you go.
January 13, 2011 at 8:30 am #713921
dobroParticipantOh, one other thing addressing the original point about the behavior of the audience. This event was described by the university as a “unity rally” It was not a memorial service. The title “Together We Thrive” and the whole deal was organized by the UofA and marketed as such, hence the people not acting like they were in church.
This is a quote from the U of A website…
“Thousands of people are expected on the University of Arizona campus today to hear President Barack Obama speak during an event honoring Saturday’s shooting victims.
“Together We Thrive: Tucson and America” will begin at 6 p.m.
… [snip] …
“We wanted to represent that every person has their own individual concerns and is grieving in their own way, but we’re all coming together and joining in unity and this is the physical representation of that,” said ASUA President Emily Fritze, a senior majoring in political science.
Of Obama’s visit, Fritze said: “This is an opportunity for us, borne from very very unfortunate circumstances.”
“Students are excited and comforted to have the president come and deliver a message to the campus community,” she said.”
January 13, 2011 at 4:56 pm #713922
lucky chickMemberOff-topic: why is your screen name “jiggers,” if you don’t mind mind me asking.
January 13, 2011 at 5:14 pm #713923
JiggersMemberLook it up in the dictionary if you know how to use one.
January 13, 2011 at 5:17 pm #713924
lucky chickMemberOh my. I assumed it wasn’t your given name and you had chosen it for a reason, but I guess I was wrong. Ah best git back to diggin ditches, only job ah cud git with mah therd-grade edukashen!
January 13, 2011 at 5:21 pm #713925
dawsonctParticipantWow Jig, snarkier than usual today, huh?
January 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm #713926
dgirlMemberWhoa….this is nasty. I believe the dictionary has speech spelled SPEECH (not SPEACH….throwing stones at glass houses are we?). I clearly don’t understand what your motive could be…to call the speech or gathering “classless”. What the heck? Such a sad time for all and to continue to try to stir things up with such a mean spirited negative statement. Done…
January 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm #713927
JoBParticipantdawsonct…
yes.. jiggers is snarkier than usual
his response to the jiggers question was uncalled for…
but see #7. he recently lost his dad and is dealing with his own grief.
his comments aren’t the only snarky ones here though. the preceding replies to his post were snarkier than usual too.
i think the frustration from another topic may have boiled over onto this one.
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