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September 6, 2008 at 4:07 pm #636470
JoBParticipanthellonwheels…
I agree that Obama has run an impressive campaign. One thing all of his work on the south side of Chicago did for him was teach him how to connect with voter’s needs. The other is how to build a grass roots constituency founded on more than popular appeal. he has done both brilliantly.
What he/we need to do now is find a way to convince those who are lukewarm about him that it is worth going the extra effort to get him elected.
This may be something that the selection of Sarah Palin has done more effectively than anything else could have.
I too once thought i admired John McCain.. tho hubby who is from Arizona told me i admired the myth, not the man… but his behavior in the last 4 years caused him to lose any respect i had for him.
Unfortunately, he has gained the backing of his party and lost a great deal of his base support in this campaign.
Still.. i think it was easy to think of him as an unknown quantity until the party pressured him to add Palin to the ticket and we saw how much he will be influenced by the more radical faction in his party.
He would have to toe the line for at least the first 4 years of his presidency to maintain their support… and perhaps to escape assassination. This is not a good thing.
I am amazed at the vehemence with which people who basically were not so thrilled with his candidacy have defended his campaign.
Sarah will energize those who back the far right positions.. but i suspect she is undermining his already weak support with those who had questions to begin with. And i think as the campaign progresses it will become even more difficult for them. It will be interesting to see how reason and self interest affect their politics.
I hope just waving the flag and mouthing platitudes won’t be enough to carry this election. The stakes are too high and affect too many.
September 6, 2008 at 5:20 pm #636471
soclwrkrinmotnMemberAnd one more for the road.
Palin as Feminist role model? Not!!!
http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/04/the-mirrored-ceiling/?em
September 6, 2008 at 5:50 pm #636472
hellonwheelsMemberSeptember 6, 2008 at 8:28 pm #636473
angelescrestParticipantDitto to sock.
How did we ever come to this? Many of us are feeling threatened at our very core. Instead of trying to deal with those tenacious problems in society that afflict the most vulnerable here andin the world, at election time we are having to discuss the unbearable idea that a religious zealot is the candidate for the vice-presidency of the United States. It is truly insane. I agree that the survival (and rehabilitation)of this country is in jeopardy, and I think that there is some catharsis in discussing it.
September 7, 2008 at 1:03 am #636474
hellonwheelsMemberanglescrest….very good point….
Where is the logic in all of this….Do I want Sarah Palin running this country…the whole idea is so ridiculous I can’t believe anyone can seriously even give it consideration…what is going on…??
All I can think is that so many Americans still believe in the concept that this country is humanitarin and cares for the good of the world.
We certainly haven’t been practicing as an example to the world, not even in our own country.
If people who are being convinced that the McCain/Palin ticket is there to take care of us, God help us.
…..AND exactly what does McCain mean when he says “I will be working for you?” Define it. I got the distinct impression he was not addressing America…he was addressing his base(he hopes!) at the convention……
Come on! people, let’s get real.
I may have this wrong, but didn’t he vote 19 times against raising the minimum wage?
Who is he working for? Certainly not the working, and I emphasize, Poor!
Read history…or anything for that matter..a strong society needs a strong working middle class,(Way,Way WAY below 5 million a year!!)
When did this Nation become so immune to the concept that we look out for all of us….and don’t jump on me about Welfare….people need work and work that provides them with means to a living, and health care and the opportunity maintain their families..
When I saw that Henry Kravis was the primary fund raiser for McCain that did it…he is “The King of Greed”…I worked for a company that he bought and I saw his methods of maximising revenue….help!
September 7, 2008 at 1:16 am #636475
JoBParticipanthear hear
September 7, 2008 at 3:23 am #636476
acemotelParticipantsomeone made a point earlier, maybe on this thread, maybe another, about the futility and foolishness of anger when both parties want the best for the country. As the last two posts have mentioned, the middle class has been eviscerated in the last eight years. Economic policies benefiting the top 1/10 of the top percentage point of income earners have taken from the other 99.9 percent.
The unions (those organizations that protect wage earners!) are under attack and fighting for their survival. The administration favors friends in awarding contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
Let’s not forget that the administration took us into a war on false pretenses, and more than 4000 of our young people are dead.
The United States looks like a violent, heartless bully to the rest of the world.
The dollar is in the toilet. In just five short years it has declined from parity to nearly half the value of the Euro. No one in the world respects the USA. The economy is in shambles, and we are eminently close to losing our position as most powerful, most wealthy country in the world. China is financing our debt!!!
For cryin out loud, if that’s not enough to make any red-blooded American mad as hell, I don’t know what is.
Wake up and take a look at your own country. Do you even see the thousands of homeless people sleeping under freeways and begging by the side of the road? That’s what happens in third world countries, not in civilized ones.
Go out to lower-income areas, as I was tonight in Burien, and see shops for payday loans on every corner, literally. What kind of country are we living in where people have to get loans to make it from payday to payday?
Do you notice that the airwaves are crowded with fanatic fundamentalists, preaching an authoritarian theology with rigid codes pertaining to all aspects of human behaviour, especially sexuality? That’s similar to third world undeveloped countries, not enlightened ones.
There are many reasons to be angry, and no-one needs to apologize for it.
September 7, 2008 at 4:06 am #636477
JoBParticipantwell said acemotel…
patriotism is caring what happens to your country.. not following the guy who helped put it in the toilet down the street because he is waving a flag.
September 7, 2008 at 4:23 am #636478
hellonwheelsMemberAcemotel…….Great response…You said it just great….
September 7, 2008 at 6:17 am #636479
RainyDay1235Memberflowerpetal: I just saw that link. Thanks for finding that! I do wish the Republicans on this board would watch that before they make any more comments about the fairness of the “Liberal” media…again, here it is:
>http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card
September 7, 2008 at 8:32 am #636480
mellaw6565MemberAcemotel – I think I’ve just discovered that you’re a prophet of a sort. I was cruising an old thread (car free days – alki SW)where there was a comedic discussion about a Gore/Nickels ticket in 2012. You said one month ago (before Palin was picked):
“I know it’s all in fun, but to go from mayor of a medium-sized metropolitan city to vice president of the United States? I don’t think so. He’s been with the city and the county – not even into state affairs, much less national politics, and international not even in the picture. The governor has a better chance of being VP than the mayor.”
I think you jinxed us Ace!
September 7, 2008 at 7:19 pm #636481
MagpieParticipantHey, I read in the paper this morning that in one year there were 206 drunk driving arrests in Wasilla (population less than 6k) when Palin was mayor. Wow, they blamed it on all the Anchorage residents coming for the later closures and she voted against closing down the bars earlier! I wonder if they actually post the mug shots in the Mug shot saloon? Is Todd’s photo there..sounds like even he received one, probably before she was mayor.
There are also some great letters to the editor today and op ed pieces…worth reading them.
September 7, 2008 at 11:26 pm #636482
acemotelParticipantha ha ha mellaw, I forgot all about that!
(and mixing threads, thanks so much for the engrish link. I haven’t laughed so much in months, and sent the link to many friends)
My husband pointed out the headline on page A19 of the Seattle Times this morning: Palin church promotes gay-conversion event. “pray away the gay”
I’m speechless.
September 7, 2008 at 11:33 pm #636483
soclwrkrinmotnMemberAlas, acemotel, I am just royally pissed. I just can’t believe this inept, racist, heterosexist, lil miss privilege got veeped. She is scary. Really. For real. She’s just smart enough to cause some REAL damage.
But then, look at her running mate. McJ******.
I quote a friend of mine, still residing in Alaska…
“We’re the laughing stock of the country, thanks to her.”
September 8, 2008 at 2:40 am #636484
ZenguyParticipantSocketwrench, she has just enough stuff to be scary and electable. More people want to have a beer with her, which is apparently how we choose our leaders…starting with BushII
September 8, 2008 at 3:00 am #636485
beachdrivegirlParticipantZenguy I am with you on the fact that it is scary b/c she is just scary enough to be electable.
September 8, 2008 at 5:11 am #636486
JoBParticipanti hope not…
i suspect the republicans took on more than they can chew with this one…
but to them.. all skirts are the same.. and not much worth considering. Perhaps they should have looked at this one a little closer.
no surprise though.. remember, McCain is the man who thought jokes depicting women enjoying rape were funny enough in the 80s to repeat them publicly.
September 8, 2008 at 5:14 am #636487
AnonymousInactiveFun quote from HuffPo:
“Remember, Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor”
September 8, 2008 at 5:23 am #636488
charlabobParticipantThe latest insult to the intelligence of the people of the United States: It’s expected that Palin’s husband, Tod, will attract the cross-over votes of many *White Working Class Men* because he’s a union guy and a real man. Or because they’ve been looking for an excuse not to vote for the black guy. Apparently they can send him on the road, speaking to the folks, but his wife the VP wannabe can’t be trusted without a script.
White working class union guys who vote for this R ticket are far removed from the reality of their own lives. We have 58 days to bring them back.
JT, I started seeing that fabulous quotation a couple days ago. As a former midwest community organizer, trained in the same programa Obama was (many years earlier) I think the scurrilous attack on organizers is one of the more pathetic tactics of the right.
People who claim to support grass-roots, local, rather than federal government solutions to social problems should be primary supporters of community organization. Guiliani is especially disgusting, since as New York Mayor he knows what they accomplish and pretending to be even dumber than he is wasn’t a good move.
September 8, 2008 at 5:48 am #636489
RainyDay1235MemberFrom Sunday’s Seattle Times:
“Sarah Palin had turbulent first year as mayor of Alaska town”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008163431_palin070.html
“Picking brain of a top pollster”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008163854_zogby07m.html
September 8, 2008 at 6:42 am #636490
JanSParticipantJT and Charla…there are T-shirts out there on the web now saying exactly that quote. More to come , I’m sure :)
September 8, 2008 at 2:11 pm #636491
JenVMemberremember when I said “a woman who votes for McCain is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders”? The same goes for union guys. The republicans want nothing more than to bust the unions. Any “union guy” who votes for the McCain/Palin ticket is signing his own eventual unemployment papers. Sick and wrong.
September 8, 2008 at 2:15 pm #636492
charlabobParticipantThanks, Jen — I’m still at the stage of disbelief — they will not fall for this crap. It is interesting that they seem to think it’s safe to send him out to talk to people, but his wife, the “heartbeat away kid”, can’t be allowed out of the house with out pappy.
September 8, 2008 at 3:31 pm #636493
JoBParticipantI m afraid some people will fall for this … have you listened to the lies many people regurgitate from the republican political machine?
September 8, 2008 at 4:09 pm #636494
walfredoMemberIt’s pretty scary to see the Republican base fired up again. It’s more scary to see what fires them up. It is a bigtime reminder of what is wrong with America.
You can say they are stupid- and that they will believe the incumbent party will clean house if given a third chance, that a man that supports the current president on every major policy is a “maverick”. That being a hockey mom of 5 qualifies you to lead the worlds last military superpower during a time of war…
But its important to be clear- what truly seems to drive the core base of the party isn’t any of this. It is finding someone that meets the extreme religious social requirements of the Christain evangelical right. They happily worked to elect and re-elect a semi-retarded man and still support him. And, they wouldn’t get behind a man of some genuine accomplishment and character (McCain) in 2000 or this year until he caved to them on every one of his “maverick issues” and picked the most unqualified candidate from a major party ever to reassure them… Everything that has been wrong with the Bush administration, everything that has led to the sudden and dramatic drop in our countries standard of living, moral authority, world leadership, and quite simply lack of competence is personified in the rights reaction to Sarah Palin the last two weeks.
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