PARK PROJECTS MEETING, REPORT #3: The pickleball plan

(Slide with schematic plan for Lincoln Park pickleball courts, shown at city’s online meeting)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

If Seattle Parks managers have given any thought to reconsidering the plan for pickleball courts in Lincoln Park, it wasn’t on display during Monday night’s online meeting about that and other area projects.

Two-thirds of the hour-long meeting was spent on recapping and explaining the plan – basically the first 20 minutes and last 20 minutes, with the other project updates inbetween, (Those were detailed in our first two reports on the meeting, here and here.) First, Parks and Recreation Superintendent AP Diaz spent most of his opening remarks on the pickleball project, after an introduction from the consultant who facilitated the meeting (which had almost 150 people signed into the video feed).

Diaz rhapsodized about Lincoln Park’s attributes – from “majestic trees” to Colman Pool (whose short season, he hinted, may be revisited) – before veering into an explanation of why they didn’t hold an in-person meeting: “It’s a busy time of year, darker, colder, (wanted it to be) as accessible as possible (to) as many people as possible.” As for why have a meeting at all, Diaz said it was for updates on “everything that’s going on,” to “try to get on the same page with these projects” and to “dispel rumors and myths” with “accurate information.”

The points he stressed toward that goal:

-No trees will be removed for the project
-No lights “at this time” (he cited both a lack of funding and dark-sky concerns)
-Parks Department crew members will maintain the courts
-Parks has met with state Fish and Wildlife who “found no jurisdictional intervention was warranted at this time”
-Parks “has met with and will continue to work with” bird advocates

The superintendent acknowledged that pickleball is loud but said “mitigation” could be considered such as “acoustic fencing” and quieter equipment (noting that local engineers are working on quieter pickleball equipment).

But before he went into all that, he explained that the department “has endeavored to rise to the challenge of accommodating” pickleball because of its skyrocketing popularity. He said Parks has added more than 80 courts but most are “dual striped” with tennis and they’ve been looking to add more pickleball-only facilities.

So why this location? He called it a “great opportunity” and said its current use as a maintenance location was always “meant to be temporary,” saying that even before the pickleball idea surfaced, “we were looking for ways to move (Parks) trucks out of the park and activate (the location).” The fact it’s “already paved” is a bonus, he said, along with its location “near other active recreational offerings” and away from homes and businesses. And he reiterated a point Parks spokespeople have stressed previously, that this is a “major maintenance project,” not a capital project, so an environmental review is not required, and he said the City Attorney’s Office has been consulted to ensure that’s a correct interpretation.

Superintendent Diaz concluded by declaring that “both active and passive recreation (are) important” as well as that “no projects will please all of the people all of the time.”

Since we’ve already summarized the other non-pickleball-project reports presented by his deputies, we’ll note here that there was no live Q&A during the meeting, The consultant moderator (Andrea Petzel from Broadview Planning) put up several live “polls,” but none were along the lines of yes/no on the pickleball courts or any other project – they were more in the vein of “What’s your favorite West Seattle park?” and “What are the top three attributes of (an off-leash area)?” But Zoom chat was available for those signed in, and while the consultant warned that questions/comments there wouldn’t be addressed in real time, they would become part of the public-comment record. (While we had to stay focused on the presentations, a WSB team member told us the chat window was fairly fiery.)

At about 6:40 pm, it was back to the pickleball courts, this time with Deputy Superintendent Andy Sheffer. He had graphics, including the schematic shown atop this report, and others showing the location of the site and what percentage of LP acreage it represented (two-tenths of a percent). He also noted its proximity to the upper-park restrooms.

Continuing to list site attributes, Sheffer said the existing paved pad would not require “an elaborate top coating,” just some asphalt as well as joints and fabric. He said the paved area would actually be slightly reduced, by 1,200 square feet. The items/materials stored there would be moved to the Southwest Crew HQ, he said. Meantime, Sheffer added that they want to collaborate with “wildlife constituents” and figure out how to “mitigate possible noise impact” – that would possibly include the quieter pickleball equipment Diaz had briefly mentioned; Sheffer said mechanical-engineering students at the University of Washington are “actively working on a solution.”

That led to more “poll” questions, including “What’s your main mitigation priority?” (The results did not linger long on the screen and we were toggling with our story-notes window, but “birds/wildlife” appeared to be winning.”)

Then came the only real nod to questions that were asked in advance – as had been requested by Parks when the meeting was announced – with answers reiterating mostly what Diaz had said earlier, including that trees would not be removed for the conversion and “no lights (planned) at this time,” and that reasons for choosing this site included its distance from homes, reusing “existing impervious surface” and saving money, and that it’s situated in the “recreational area” in LP’s “core.” He also reiterated that it’s a maintenance project, not a capital project. Here are the Q/A slides we screengrabbed:

The briefing did not include information on when Parks planned to resume work at the site – four weeks have passed since a two-week pause was announced – so we’re following up on that and will add the reply when we get it.

ADDED 5:21 PM: Here’s the reply from Parks: “When the weather is warm/dry enough to lay asphalt (likely spring but could be earlier).”

124 Replies to "PARK PROJECTS MEETING, REPORT #3: The pickleball plan"

  • Plf November 28, 2023 (12:57 pm)

    It’s time now to move forward and establish pickle ball courts 

    • Patty November 29, 2023 (8:05 am)

      For those that disagree and want to be involved in the cause to preserve Lincoln Park, visit protectlincolnpark.com.

      • win! November 30, 2023 (7:43 pm)

        Egads.  The number of people on that website complaining about how many trees will be lost because of pickle ball is utterly astounding.  The lies have got to stop–NO TREES WILL BE LOST!  The court is going in on a concrete slab that currently houses trucks! That concrete area will actually be REDUCED IN SIZE when the courts go in.  You can’t just proclaim FACTS MATTER when they suit you–facts always matter, and that you and others are supporting lies about tree canopies being reduced is shameful and disgusting.  What a farce.

        • Patty December 2, 2023 (1:11 am)

          I don’t know what “lies” on “that website” you’re referring to. Are you talking about protectlincolnpark.com?  This is the comment on the website that refers to tree canopy: “As Seattle densifies and loses tree canopy across the city but especially in our neighborhoods, natural spaces in parks provide critical mental health, physical health and cooling benefits for the public.” Natural spaces are important. We need a break from city noises, and park animals do too. It makes sense to put pickleball in Solstice Park where there is already road noise, not in the middle of Lincoln Park.

          • win! December 2, 2023 (7:53 am)

            Yes, I am indeed talking about the website you linked.  I am referring to the comments on that website.  Here are a few (you can access them by clicking on “Sign the petition”):

            “Good grief, enough paving over every last spec of green!”

            “We all need trees and shade and natural spaces! Please let the trees alone”

            “A forest takes decades to create! Don’t tear this one down!”

            “Preservation of forest habitat in the city is far more critical than lighted pickle ball courts ”

            “Reduction of climate change effects starts with allowing natural areas to remain untouched to absorb storm water runoff. Trees purify the air and provide homes for wildlife.”

            I could go on and on, but I hope my point is clear: a VAST number of people are complaining about how the court will result in trees being torn down.  But no trees will be taken down.  In fact the courts will result in MORE green space. 

            This court can only possibly help the tree canopy, and that website and proponents thereof are convincing people of the opposite.  That is disingenuous and shameful and (judging by the sheer number of people signing the petition in order to save the trees) sadly effective.

          • Patty December 2, 2023 (9:44 am)

            I didn’t get a reply option, so replying here. My guess is that when many signed the petition a month or two ago, they thought the plan included removing trees. I’m pretty sure many wouldn’t change their mind knowing the scope of the project – it’s still noise pollution from early morning until dark (or later if/when they add lights) in a natural area of the park. I don’t think the project will”help the tree canopy” lol.

          • Neighbor December 2, 2023 (9:28 pm)

            The point is the signatures were solicited under misleading pretenses. Would all those people have signed in the first place if the petition was predicated on pickleball being annoying to some people? Because it’s become obvious that’s actually what the opposition is about. 

          • Line Call December 2, 2023 (10:34 pm)

            Dear Patty: Good luck here, and thx for http://www.protectlincolnpark.com. Two thoughts: First: Whether bc of a polarization that is truly infecting the entire body politic, or bc of the initial binary structure of this dispute as laid out by Seattle Parks & Rec–Solstice v Lincoln–it shouldn’t be and isn’t what it’s become.  ○  There are three parties to this: 1)Players of this game. 2)Neighbors of the courts at Solstice. 3)Ppl defending the status quo, a relatively quiet semi-quasi-natural already mixed-use park. Not all three can win.  ○  1a)Let’s say there’s 20-80% of players whose priority is to play In Lincoln Park. Another 20-80% want courts but do not want to further compromise the park. 2a)What anyone–anyone–would have done in a heartbeat if they lived anywhere near Solstice is simply notify the City they’d be raising bloody hell, as neighbors on Capitol Hill and around the country had already done. Plan no longer cost-effective; City, SPR, responsive. Some number of those neighbors might reasonably be expected to have bolstered their justified objection through otherwise-uninterested support for Parks’ alternative. They might also be some or many strident voices here. 3a)The existence of a 60yo slab, placed before many of the mature trees around it were planted in an entirely different park and city, is no more appropriately or practically resurrected in the world grown up around it since 1960–whether in re human density or natural-ish habitat–than the bathhouse at Green Lake or log flumes. It had been tennis courts. They had been retired. No-one would propose siting it there now. It’s an unfortunate binarifying hail mary thrown up unintentionally in good faith but ill-advisedly by a SPR beating a hasty retreat from a bad decision made among cramped options in foolish denial of full-flowered realities on Capitol Hill.  ○  ☆☆THERE ARE OTHER, BETTER, MORE COST-EFFECTIVE, MORE EQUITABLE, LESS CONSEQUENTIAL AND CONTROVERSIAL ALTERNATIVES THAN SOLSTICE OR LINCOLN:☆☆ 

          • Line Call December 2, 2023 (10:41 pm)

            Second: One alternative is complete conversion of as many courts nowhere near any forest or human home–as on Rainier S of Genesee and on Henderson btw Rainier and MLK, and on any/all comparable courts arnd WS and the city–as relative demand for the two games recommends. One is conversion or construction of indoor courts, as the ten tennis now at Amy Yee.  That’s it: straightforward, optimal.  Soft genteel tennis can remain near bedrooms and nests, its hard mutant spawn can be played everywhere no lives will be disturbed. (The two are oil and water anyway, and should never have been made to mix anywhere. That’s SPR’s do-over.)  ○  1b)The few courts that might result from ripping up part of and repurposing that slab in the woods wb a drop in the bucket of what’s said to be metastasizing demand. 3b)They would come at certain cost to those trees–if not from immediate root damage or delayed demand for debris-free play and/or expansion, then from exponentially-increased foot traffic and root compaction over time, compounding the stress of coming heat and drought that’s already killed millions of west coast native trees–and all they are and provide. Science has learned and forecasts that much. (Also lights.)  ○  So, ppl want to mountain bike everywhere, thinking it’s harmless–it’s bicycling, aftr all, not driving. But it can be harmful in some places–at least science says so. So it’s not allowed on the soft unpaved forest road and trails up through Seward Park (any more than is launching balls for furry fambly on the beach). But some educated ppl do it anyway, tho it’s impactful and illegal, as law enforcement and superego yield to cameras in this great land of ours. The only real linchpin question in this otherwise totally equitably solvable turns out non-binary dilemma here is exclusively addressed to one hypothetical 20-80% of one of three parties to it: is it that important to you personally to play the game in Lincoln Park in the event all that’s been writ here, and Science, is true?  ○  That’s the game. And the match. WS, Patty, (WSB)–adieu.

          • win! December 2, 2023 (3:40 pm)

            Yeah, that’s my guess too–but that merely raises the question of WHY did they think the plan included removing trees?  As for the noise pollution–I hear you!  I think that’s a reasonable concern.  For me, I think the benefits outweigh the negatives, but the noise is an absolutely valid issue.  As for helping or hurting the tree canopy–I stand by my comment that, if anything, this plan is more likely to help than hurt the tree canopy.  Hardscape is really bad for trees, both because of roots and waterflow.  Removing some of the concrete, as this plan calls for, can only help trees.

    • Moving Venns December 7, 2023 (3:07 pm)

      https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/concerns-swirl-before-meeting-on-seattles-playground-plan-for-nude-beach/
      Just look at SPR’s committment to serving private wealth’s appropriation and re-engineering of publicly-held parkland here, in defiance of no demonstrated need and self-evidently more sensible alternatives assuming any. Look at the public in-person meeting Parks didn’t disallow there, the overwhelming opposition in attendance, their powerlessness. Parks says that project will begin next year, and that they’ll respond to Seattle Times‘ request under federal FOIA to unmask that (nearby estate owner) donor… in February. Here, http://www.protectlincolnpark.com was blessed enuf to get land-use and real-estate attorney J. Richard Aramburu to write–for uncertain compensation, looks like–a blisteringly thoroughly researched, supported and argued challenge to Parks and the City’s dictatorial defiance of public process (and reason and the greater public–not private, not special-interest–good) and address it to everyone under the sun.  Any delay in renewing the indefinite suspension of this outrageous Parks steamroll and adequately, publicly answering every point in Mr. Aramburu’s letter (click and read on PLP above) as well as thousands of residents’ points in opposition would mark a City of Seattle government no longer answerable to its citizens. Dictatorship’s coming back into vogue.

  • Kevin November 28, 2023 (1:01 pm)

    I’m glad the Parks department is actually working to get things done and trying to buck the usual Seattle process of polls, panels, committees, public feedback periods and the usual mountains of red tape. All of these NIMBYs are ridiculous and frankly a little embarrassing to the West Seattle community. People complain about pickleball being too close to people’s houses, so they move it far away from houses and now that’s not acceptable either.So many around here think that just because they were lucky enough to buy a nice house in the area 30 years ago for a quarter of its current value gives the power to veto anything and stop things from changing.Lincoln Park is a park for all, and that includes those that like to play sports. West Seattle must continue to grow and evolve, and yes, that includes accommodating “fad” sports like pickleball.

    • Jethro Marx November 28, 2023 (2:40 pm)

      Wait till you get a load of bike soccer, sepak takraw, or quidditch. All getting courts next to this one, I heard.

    • Patty November 29, 2023 (12:27 am)

      I think it’s actually the opposite of selfishness and NIMBYism. People who live in the neighborhood are saying put it in Solstice Park, where it’s closer to houses in order to preserve the natural area inside the park. I’m a pickleball player, and while it would be fun to play in the park, I’d much rather leave the park as a place for birds, and for people to enjoy nature. West Seattle does accommodate pickleball, Kevin; that’s not what this argument is about. I can get on a court at Delridge every time I go there.

      • Neighbor November 30, 2023 (8:17 pm)

        But the people fighting most against this are making weird conspiracy claims that the neighbors of Solstice Park privately funded the LP plan because they don’t want it by their homes. The “backyard” in this case is Lincoln Park for these NIMBY’s. Who knows whether the people living closest to Solstice do or don’t want it there but we definitely know the biggest protesters do not live by Solstice. 

      • Highland Park neighbor November 30, 2023 (8:52 pm)

        Thanks, Patty, I agree. If only tennis players (from where? How many?) were asked, then why did they only ask them? I also don’t think those tennis players were asked if they would feel the same way if they knew the alternative was the maintenance pad in the middle of Lincoln Park. Plus,  Solstice is easier to see if a court is available and has more availability for parking. Even pickleball players might prefer the Solstice location?

    • Brian November 29, 2023 (7:08 pm)

      Wow, well it sure is a good thing we don’t weight anyone’s voting power based on the purchase price of their home because that would be truly insane. Absolute madness. 

  • Where Is Our Playground November 28, 2023 (1:17 pm)

    Seattle Parks does not listen to the public.

    • my two cents November 28, 2023 (8:27 pm)

      … maybe based on your definition, not mine though.

  • win! November 28, 2023 (1:20 pm)

    Fewer trucks in the park AND less concrete?  Excellent all around!

    A further thought: has anyone considered the option of equipping the nearby birds with some sort of device that would let them move further away from the pickle ball court in case the noise bothers them?    

  • HS November 28, 2023 (1:22 pm)

    To add: Context Lincoln park image – the OLA Study Area is the off-leash dog park

  • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (1:27 pm)

    I’m so beyond excited for this to take shape. Ordered all of our pickle ball equipment for my family and can’t wait to play ball with my grandchildren on a court I used as a youngster. Thanks for the update. 

  • KT November 28, 2023 (1:36 pm)

    No lights “at this time” (he cited both a lack of funding and dark-sky concerns).  Note the qualifier.

    • WSB November 28, 2023 (1:54 pm)

      That’s consistent with what we have reported previously. At no point has Parks ever said – at least not to us – “no lights, ever.” The cost, however, is a significant factor – one Parks manager told me a month or so ago that they could cost a million dollars.

    • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (2:00 pm)

      There use to be lighting on the court so I’m sure eventually we’ll have it again. It’ll help especially with daylight savings. 

    • SE Dick. November 28, 2023 (2:07 pm)

      Worse, KT: lights not “pursued”. “At this time”. Allowed, acceded to, accepted any time. Probably the loudest and most unrelenting yay-p**b** voice here for many weeks on the topic, under uncountable user names and I’d wager my toenails a moneyed neighbor of the Solstice courts and familiar of Harrell’s, has right on WSB vowed substantial monetary donation for lights. This is an outrage, in violation of everything. Goodbye beautiful world; we’re not worthy.

      • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (2:35 pm)

        SE Dick who are you speaking about uncountable user names and moneyed neighbor?

      • Es nativo November 28, 2023 (2:59 pm)

        So much drama lol 

  • arabianrhino November 28, 2023 (1:37 pm)

    Thanks for the update @WSB. I was hoping to read some hyperbolic freakout bird extinction comments from wildlife constituents but maybe I just need to be patient and they’ll show up later :)

    • Cat Girl November 28, 2023 (3:27 pm)

      70 percent of wildlife have have disappeared in since 1970 due to human encroachment. That’s not hyperbole. That’s science based fact. Climate change and extinction are accelerating at alarming rates. That’s not hyperbole. That’s science fact. I remember the time before we had summer fires and freak storms every year. Many reasonable and intelligent people are, understandably, worried about these things and are trying their best to protect local natural resources. I’m sorry so many people can’t see, or don’t care about, how their behavior and actions cause damage to local ecosystems. 

      • Adam November 28, 2023 (4:13 pm)

        Maybe then every climate warrior needs to quit saying we’re so doomed we’ll be flooded by (blank) year and then have to revisit every cpl of decades. We shouldn’t ignore climate issues, and we shouldn’t use it as a reason to stop all pursuits. Just be genuine. 

      • Win! November 28, 2023 (4:19 pm)

        Living in dense urban environments, ie cities, is one of the absolute best things humans can do for the environment. Multi-use parks make cities healthier and more attractive. 

        • LowPoint November 29, 2023 (8:05 pm)

          Preach. Thank goodness somebody said it. 

      • Jethro Marx November 28, 2023 (4:30 pm)

        “…have disappeared in (you’re supposed to add your location here) since 1970…”

        Form letters are hard.

        • Cat Girl November 28, 2023 (6:56 pm)

          It was a typo. I honestly care about the environment and local wildlife. It makes me sad that people find that so funny. I think many people here have forgotten that you’re responding to other people. I don’t know why I’m being bullied for caring and I don’t know why WSB allows these kinds of responses to be posted when they do not forward the conversations in any way.

          • win! November 28, 2023 (7:31 pm)

            Then pay attention to my point, Cat Girl, which was a sincere one.  I’m fine with you ignoring people making fun of you, but why address them and not my sincere point?  The point, once again, is this: clustering people in dense cities is absolutely amazing for the planet, by a vast number of metrics.  One of the side effects of that density is that urban areas are, well, urban–and that includes multi-use city parks.  Birds will absolutely be less happy in these environments–I agree.  But in the big picture that density (and that sacrifice of nature within those few dozens of cities in the US) means that cities can absorb more people so that there are fewer suburbs and small towns–places that have an enormously incommensurate (per capita) negative impact on the environment.  Doesn’t that make sense?

          • SE Dick. November 28, 2023 (11:55 pm)

            You, for instance win, or Win, or JK. If you didn’t come at her like that I wouldn’t have to eviscerate you. What’s this ‘sincerity’ shi*? Sincerity was a big manipulative palpably insincere ploy of Diversitybark’s, for weeks. Nauseatingly obvious. Somebody challenge your sincerity, bub? Did I miss that? I’m not challenging your sincerity, I’m blowing up the vacuity of your invalid leap from the regrettable but sound argument for density to this glaring fallacious presumption that ‘parks’ means ‘multi-use parks’ means ‘what-the-fu*k-ever-proposed-recreation-any- and-everywhere’. Vacuous idiocy. So A: that’s a fat No, it actually does not make sense. Pick on someone who doesn’t ID as ‘Cat Girl’ and I’ll go away.

          • Yikes November 29, 2023 (1:45 pm)

            Hi – are you ok? Im actually shocked the blog is letting your aggressive comments through lol, but just wanted to let you know that your comments read as though you need professional help. Seriously. Go touch grass and breath some fresh air cause your rage is coming through and that just doesn’t seem healthy at all ❤️

          • SE Dick November 29, 2023 (3:46 pm)

          • HS November 28, 2023 (7:31 pm)

            You’re not alone here. I’m also saddened by what I heard on the zoom call. The comments in this thread were the same arrogant nonsense that shut down the zoom chat several times during yesterday’s meeting – excluding others from being able to leave a comment for public record. They’re probably the same people who have been stirring up and making fun of their neighbors on the Reddit Seattle thread. Nothing like reading a question about Seattle and discovering that someone has randomly commented by blasting WSilites for opposing p-courts and encouraging users to go to the WSB to make fun of them. 

          • my two cents November 28, 2023 (8:32 pm)

            given the coordinated anti-pickle ball efforts to date, not a reach to expect a form letter response to ‘rally the community’. Just saying.

          • SE Dick. November 28, 2023 (11:13 pm)

            Cat Girl I can’t answer all yr questions but I can tell ya this: it is desperately sad but you can’t let it make you sad, or if you have to you have got to learn to live w it–read the great books, the poets, listen to Joni or Billie. This is an ugly mo*er fu*in world full of ugly cruel insecure a*holes, and they bury that by lashing out at vulnerable bookish caring ppl. They need to be tough and hard and–importantly–uncaring, bc they know it all even knowing they don’t, so everyone who rilly seems to and every subject they’ve learned abt has to be stupid. Every short fat bald dude’s as bad-ass as his monstrous menacing truck. If there were any enforceable standards of reasoned discussion most of these folks would be laughed off the stage… so they try to laugh at you. Learn to humiliate them so bad they don’t know what hit them–that’s what I do. But Cat Girl, they don’t say they can’t read you they say you’re unreadable… and they can’t be made to shut up anyway. If debate doesn’t come easy, stay out of their way; they just bully, whatever you say. You cannot let that hurt you. See I was a cat guy for twenty years, love birds n squirrels too… and not one of these blowhards has notched one logically valid shot against me or what I’ve been defending in weeks–or against you. Still somehow it looks like we’re losin this one. Don’t let it bring you down, Girl, it’s gonna happen a lot. Yr diffrent cuz the mob is fu**in ugly.

          • Patty November 29, 2023 (12:42 am)

            Win!, the decision to place pickleball inside Lincoln Park rather than at Solstice Park has nothing to do with density. And natural spaces can and should be incorporated into urban planning. We saved Lincoln Park from the ridiculous idea of installing a commercial Zipline attraction when hundreds of us spoke out against it. It would’ve drastically changed the park, and adding pickleball and a dog park will dramatically change it too. People in urban areas need natural spaces, and wildlife does too. That’s why we the signed the Urban Bird Treaty in Lincoln Park a few years ago. 

          • win! November 29, 2023 (7:21 am)

            Patty: I respectfully disagree.  Density is about having more in a smaller space.  Trading tennis courts for pickle ball courts doesn’t increase the number of recreation options.  Trading a big patch of unused concrete for a pickle ball court does. 

            Of course there should be natural spaces in cities.  I must remind you: this pickle ball court is not reducing the amount of “natural space”!  In fact, it will increase it because the project is going to reduce the size of that unused (aside from trucks parking there) concrete slab. 

            It is indeed honorable that the city of Seattle signed the Urban Bird Treaty.  If you respect the city for signing that treaty then perhaps you owe them some respect for their decision to install a pickle ball court in Lincoln Park.

          • Jethro Marx November 29, 2023 (8:40 am)

            I poked fun at your typo, yes.  I’m sorry it was insulting.  I think you’re trying to use the Living Planet Index to communicate your concern for the planet, and I guess you see some connection to these pickleball courts. 

            The problem is, it’s simply not true to say we have lost 70% of life on the planet since 1970.  The index surveys certain populations, not all wildlife, and has large omissions of key areas in Africa and other equatorial regions.  While they found a decline, on average, across the populations studied, the way they measure these declines is rather complicated and the metrics are not intuitive. 

            Unfortunately, America doesn’t have a lot of depth to its understanding of science, and we also don’t generally care to spend a bunch of time learning about topics that are nuanced and only apply to our lives tangentially.  This is why we get public-facing rhetoric of science that takes a complicated and not at all comprehensive report like the LPI and distills it to a couple clickbaity headlines that are wildly misleading. 

            It’s great that you care, but you are literally pushing hyperbole and misinterpretation as “science-based fact.”

      • DB November 28, 2023 (5:21 pm)

        Same Cat time, same Cat channel!

      • Not it November 28, 2023 (6:58 pm)

        I hear you BUT this “issue” ain’t the hill to die on. The overreaction to what amounts to some noise next to a noisy part of a large, urban, multi-use park has been, frankly, embarrassing. 

        It’s bad activism and I worry only serves as a boomerang for when we need good activism on more important issues. I think the cart went leaps and bounds before the horse on this.

        I say this as a birder and environmentalist myself.

        • JustSarah November 30, 2023 (7:41 pm)

          Exactly, on all points. It’s been so frustrating to watch this intensity misdirected to a non-issue, *and* for it to have been turned into a litmus test for who cares about wildlife. I’m a birder as well and prioritize native wildlife and plants in my garden. I donate to the Washington Arboretum and ornithological causes. But the case just isn’t there to block this project. 

      • ClimateChanger November 28, 2023 (8:29 pm)

        Have you flown in an airplane lately?  Eaten beef?  Used any kind of petroleum product (ie plastic)?  Gotten anything delivered by Amazon/UPS/FedEx/etc?  If you really care about climate change, this is where you need to spend your time and energy.  

    • 1994 November 28, 2023 (9:32 pm)

      LOL – read the comments again later and your patience will be rewarded. Go Parks!

    • LowPoint November 29, 2023 (8:28 pm)

  • Actually Mike November 28, 2023 (1:41 pm)

    So, “To hell with the public–we are the CITY!”, huh?

    • Jeff November 28, 2023 (1:55 pm)

      I’m not at all invested in this whole thing, but it’s worth noting that “public input” doesn’t just mean you get your desired outcome.    Presumably, some parts of the public want this.   Perhaps even more than don’t.    Again, I don’t care.    But losing doesn’t necessarily mean you were ignored.

      • Jethro Marx November 28, 2023 (2:47 pm)

        It strikes me that the considerable resistance park improvements raised here makes it easier to understand how difficult it is to site overnight shelters, mental health treatment facilities, sewage treatment plants, and various types of rehabilitative housing. 

        • WS Res November 28, 2023 (5:44 pm)

          Absolutely. Read the article in today’s Times about the struggle to open an opioid treatment clinic in Lynnwood. “We don’t want to see visible drug use on our streets” but also “we don’t want to have a place for people to get help staying clean in our midst.”  Pickleball seems a breeze in comparison.

  • Genesee5Points November 28, 2023 (2:23 pm)

    I believe I’m the only one who talked to, and polled the birds. The outcome? They overwhelmingly chose the maintenance yard and city vehicle parking lot. They exit poll narrative was that they enjoy pooping on windshields much more than pickleball participants. Moreover, the seagulls were bullish that the hum of the truck engines and excavators paired with smell of exhaust was reminiscent of the dump, and they appreciate that we have recreated their favorite place in Lincoln Park.      

    • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (4:49 pm)

      Bwahahaha love this, thanks 🤣

  • Terremoto November 28, 2023 (2:36 pm)

    The question as to who made the initial LP siting determination at a 2020 zoom meeting with ARC — was it just pickleball players?  Am guessing the deck was stacked.       There has been no determination as to the “community’s” preference 4 use of Lincoln Park –  whether to remain an Oasis from “recognized” irritating urban noise (that be p-ball) and provide a space for the large number of walkers and wildlife – or submit to relentless p-ball players’ demand that all park properties be subject to their “enjoyment needs”.      When were the greater community desires actually measured?  Glad that WSblog also mentioned the sleight-of-hand with combining dogpark/p-ball in the slido polls flashed on screen. No one was fooled with this nonsense, as in “Look over there, a squirrel!”.        This meeting was just a reiteration of the 2020 ARC planning mtg.   It appears a done deal because pickleball players want “real estate.”  And — “it’s a popular sport”  – to those playing rather than those having to listen to it or impact on wildlife.         People are working in several locations to develop quieter paddles and balls, not just UW.  The big issue is that the players are not required to use quieter equipment so probably won’t.  Sound deadening walls are much too expensive.  A lot of smoke and mirrors.

    • Adam November 28, 2023 (4:22 pm)

      I demand to know more about this squirrel. 

      • Jay Mick November 28, 2023 (8:38 pm)

        The squirrels are now extinct thanks to *checks notes* pickleball noise

  • Barbara November 28, 2023 (2:43 pm)

    Thanks for the screen captures WSB. My zoom was frozen on one of the first title pages but at least I could hear. Once again, Seattle Parks is not engaged with the community input to retain this peaceful meadow as it is for ALL to enjoy. 87% voted for the golf course Off Leash Area, but yet Seattle Parks continue to promote Lincoln Park for that activity in the map and slide text with zero explanation for the community why their change of course.

    • WS Res November 28, 2023 (5:49 pm)

      “This peaceful meadow.”

      • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (6:38 pm)

        Yes, I’ve been here 53 yrs and nobody has ever called it a peaceful meadow. But it did bring me laughter as people will say anything to get a reaction. Considering parks vehicles were always parked there, trying to figure out what year it was a peaceful meadow. 

      • Never November 28, 2023 (7:13 pm)

        Sincerely. Never have I ever seen the word “meadow” weaponized so much but here we are.

        • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (11:09 pm)

          Me neither but now I’m expecting parks to add signs that strongly state “ now entering peaceful meadows ahead”, shortly. 

  • DC November 28, 2023 (2:49 pm)

    Wow! Seattle Parks consulted the City Attorney reiterating the legality. They met with Fish and Wildlife who found there would be no harm to wildlife. AND they continue to meet with amateur wildlife and bird ‘advocates’ to find mitigation methods. All steps they weren’t even obligated to take. A+ work Parks! Now that all the concerns have been addressed I look forward to those opposed moving forward accepting that their stated concerns are unfounded.

    • Erik November 28, 2023 (4:36 pm)

      Agreed. It sounds like the city took the steps they needed to ensure that what they were doing was not going to negatively impact wildlife by consulting with Fish & Wildlife. I’d be interested to see what the noise reduction screens do if they choose to put them up. It sounds like there are a few things they could do to help alleviate some of the concerns of the local residents that they may not have even thought of, because they were so angry and hyper focused on trying to force the city to do what they want…

      • Oakley34 November 28, 2023 (7:14 pm)

        Actually it sounds like they consulted with them to insure they didn’t have jurisdictional control or inclination to step in.  It’s been clear from the start parks was always gonna do whatever they want and this is some CYA/public relations gesture that they consulted with fish and wildlife…because the bird experts seem to be fairly United on the issue.I just hope they don’t just consider the acousting fencing…but actually invest in it.  I’m speaking as someone who uses Lincoln park roughly five days a week.  That doesn’t mean I’m entitled to my way, but I really hope they make every effort to quiet it down.  Pickle ball is loud and annoying if enough players are at it, and that area is a very nice quiet place to walk and in the summer there is some lovely quiet shade in the trees nearby that was one of my favorite spots for respite during heat waves or just warm weather.

      • Oh Seattle November 28, 2023 (9:46 pm)

        You mean the same Fish & Wildlife that will eradicate the wildlife in your neighborhood if you pay them $5k?

  • Rico November 28, 2023 (3:06 pm)

    Having lived next to the park until 2021, I am really surprised people would want pickleball at LP.     While in the spring there are kids sports in the park during the evenings and weekends, for the most part the park is a very serene place.   I like pickle ball, but serenity is in short supply and pickle ball is load (80+ disciples) and annoying.   I did see the city put up noise reduction screens after complaints about the pickleball courts on Capital Hill.     Maybe LP will get the same treatment.    

  • AI sound abatement November 28, 2023 (3:13 pm)

    Doritos has developed AI-based technology to cancel chip crunching and chewing in on-line settings. I assume the tech exists for noise canceling mechanisms. Maybe Doritos can sponsor the court with UW… Doritos Pickle Dawgs… 

    • Jethro Marx November 28, 2023 (4:40 pm)

      You think you want AI developers to give you sound abatement but most of us would not like it. The ability to modulate sound wave signatures in this way would be terrifying, because you could interrupt the natural connection between what is said and what is heard.

      • AI sound abatement November 28, 2023 (8:35 pm)

        Boo hoo. Focus on the Doritos Pickle Dawgs moniker. Trademarked already. 

  • Quiz November 28, 2023 (3:21 pm)

    Sounds great! The anti-pickleball-mob has made it feel like we live in an episode of Portlandia.

  • Dcn November 28, 2023 (4:24 pm)

    They striped the tennis courts at SWAC for pickleball without any public notice or comment period, and there are houses literally across the street. I live a few doors down and can say the pickleball noise is way louder than the sound of tennis, or even the Friday night football games (with the exception of referee whistles). If they decided not to use the Solstice Park courts partly because of their proximity to houses in an affluent part of West Seattle, why wasn’t the same consideration given to the people who live close to the SWAC courts? I’m far enough away that I don’t mind the noise of the pickleball games, but I’d probably feel differently if I lived in the one of the houses right across the street from them. 

  • JL November 28, 2023 (4:38 pm)

    I hope everyone commenting here also took the opportunity to comment on the Seattle Parks Master Plan currently being updated. There were several in-person meetings as well as a website to make comments. FWIW – there was a very vocal pickleball contingent.

    • Rache November 28, 2023 (8:09 pm)

      Yes, and that very vocal pickleball contingent during that joke of a meeting comprised 2 or 3 people typing and retyping the same comments over and over. On the other hand, pickleball opponents were a diverse bunch, all with strong, valid reasons for their views. Not that Parks & Wreck cared.

  • Mark Ahlness November 28, 2023 (5:24 pm)

    The fate of a rare plant hangs in the balance of these decisions. Phantom Orchids are totally white plants that exist in only two places in King County. One place is in Seattle – Lincoln Park. Along the bluff trail, yes, right next to the proposed offleash area and pickleball courts. They will certainly be wiped out with all the increased traffic. They cannot be moved or transplanted.  They do not produce chlorophyll. Phantom Orchids grow where a perfect symbiotic relationship exists with a tree. Parks knows about them. Or they used to. This one grew near the location of the proposals Parks is pushing. There is so much more to consider.

    • Another WS Person November 28, 2023 (6:49 pm)

      These are so very beautiful and I would have never known how special and rare they are without your post! Thank you and let’s hope (despite the outcome) someone is able to save these! 

    • Ghosted in LP November 28, 2023 (7:32 pm)

      They are cool indeed, and a result of a circumstantial fluke. It’s incredibly rare for them to show up in a park as busy and actively maintained as Lincoln Park. The last one I heard of being seen in LP was in 2013. Is your photo more recent? 

      • Tom November 28, 2023 (8:44 pm)

        Still there (and elsewhere) in King County!

        https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=1282&subview=map&taxon_id=50706

        • Ghosted in LP November 28, 2023 (10:34 pm)

          Thanks, Tom! Indeed interesting that it’s been reported via iNaturalist 8 times in several areas of King County just this year.

          • Mark Ahlness November 29, 2023 (6:36 pm)

            When I first found out about the Phantom Orchids in Lincoln Park, in 2014, they were noted in only one other site in King County.  iNaturalist sightings in King Co start in 2017. Lincoln Park is still the only place they have been reported in Seattle. They were first noted by a nun in 1930 in Lincoln Park. They were most certainly around before that. At any rate, there are several locations where they grow in Lincoln Park now – see the INaturalist reports. I have also seen one on the bluff on private property north of the park. In 2014 I started documenting, via photos, the locations of Phantom Orchids in Lincoln Park. I have published over 300 pictures of them, in seven locations. They do not appear every year, but they usually come back within seven years. They are amazing, gorgeous, and incredibly fragile plants.As I said before, Parks knows about them. A few years ago I personally worked with the Parks architect and the project manager of the north playground to actually move the proposed location of the kiddie zipline in order to protect a Phantom Orchid location  there.  Then I submitted a proposal with Friends of Lincoln Park,  to create a small, protective, environmental education area for the orchid location there. Parks never responded.If you look at the iNaturallist sightings map, it is striking how isolated the Phantom Orchids are – as if they are literally being pushed out of existence by the development of the city. They won’t grow in Puget Sound, folks. They need to be protected .

  • K November 28, 2023 (5:41 pm)

    Anyone else find it funny that the “what about the birds” contingent never has a problem with parking?  I was really, really not invested in this one way or the other, but finding out that the so-called environmentalists would actually prefer to have this left as-is–parking for maintenance vehicles–than used by humans for recreation is mind-boggling.  Glad parks is using common sense and hoping they moving forward converting these to pickleball courts.  And good planning, having the OLA nearby.  It’s an all-natural ball-return system!

    • KM November 28, 2023 (7:28 pm)

      I didn’t know it was parking until now, but now that I do, I would much rather have it removed knowing that they is space available elsewhere. I’d love to see this area restored with native plants. I also just kind of hate parking as a theory, we should have a lot less of it at Lincoln Park and everywhere.

  • Jackson K November 28, 2023 (5:50 pm)

    Yay Pickleball in Lincoln Park! First tournament details to come once I get news on court opening. 

  • ddharp November 28, 2023 (5:51 pm)

    I am a pickleball player.  I’ve spoken with a number of pickleball players and so far no one really wants the courts planned for Lincoln Park.  For some they don’t want to disturb the park, for others it was about parking, walking all the way in to find them in use.    What would be best would be to strip a few of the Solstice Tennis Courts.   That would be much cheaper and more useable for the pickleball players.   As for noise, spend the saved money on thick wind breaks on the fences.  Yes, there are a few houses to the right and left of the existing tennis courts, but some sound dampening should lower the sound to tennis ball level, or close to it.    SWAC has houses across the street (comments above), Delridge has houses across the street with no noise dampening.    BTW, the pickleball organizations have purchased the court squeegees for SWAC.   I would recommend that the Parks Department contact the local pickleball organizations and get their input.

    • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (7:54 pm)

      Quite the opposite for me. I’ve met quite a few players since all of this went down. Brings me joy it’s so popular. There won’t be much cost resurfacing the old court in LP actually. I know some people still think a brand new structure is being built. 

      • Patty November 29, 2023 (12:56 am)

        Funny you’ve met quite a few players, yet don’t have your pickleball equipment yet. You sound super excited about the sport for never having played. I can’t help but wonder how close you live to the Solstice Courts and don’t want the noise there.

        • Alki resident November 29, 2023 (1:09 pm)

          Patty Ive played for many years and I bought equipment for my grandsons if that’s any of your business, thank you.; Didn’t know I needed to be specific. And once again, it’s been said a few times already, pickle ball players want to be separate from tennis players. Where I live certainly isn’t your business.

    • Sampras November 28, 2023 (11:17 pm)

      Yes walking a thousand feet completely defeats the purpose of pickleball.

  • Admiral-2009 November 28, 2023 (7:21 pm)

    I wish I could get a nickel for everytime the word pickleball is mentioned on the WSB, I could afford a Hawaiian vacation!

  • Raye November 28, 2023 (8:03 pm)

    Thank you for the detailed and accurate report, Tracy. I suspected the meeting would be a joke, merely performative, but even the “performance” by AP Diaz was an insult. It was even worse than I expected. NO genuine consideration given to the impact on wildlife, on vanishing green spaces, on opponents’ genuine and honest concerns. AP is a lawyer who headed Los Angeles parks; it’s clear he doesn’t care about the concerns of those of us who cherish Seattle’s parks and the pleasures of quiet walks, birdwatching, family gatherings, nature exploration.  He and his clan just covered the usual talking points. His big smile doesn’t fool anyone. As for the other speakers…holy moly!!Bad choice, Mayor Harrell. You’ve lost this lifelong Democrat’s vote.

    • Actually Mike November 29, 2023 (9:03 am)

      He’s losing my support over this garbage too, Raye. Selling the heart of Lincoln Park to the highest bidder is just bad government, plain and simple.

      • Jethro Marx November 29, 2023 (2:56 pm)

        This is amazing, how do I get in on the bidding? I don’t have much money but buying parkland seems valuable, if it’s really an option. Who will own these pickleball courts?

  • CB November 28, 2023 (8:19 pm)

    NO to pickleball in Lincoln Park. This isn’t over.

    • Alf November 28, 2023 (9:06 pm)

      Yes, yes it is

    • Alki resident November 28, 2023 (11:14 pm)

      Yes it is. Did you not just read the article. It’s time to move on to other things you disagree with. While we enjoy our multi use park playing pickle ball!

      • CB November 29, 2023 (7:39 am)

        Yes, I did. Don’t be condescending. Those of us opposed to this awful plan have until the spring to continue to build opposition and work other levers. Diaz has stuffed cotton in his ears. Things done can be undone. 

      • CB November 29, 2023 (8:53 am)

        Not even close. We have 3 months and levers to pull.  The ‘meeting’ forced Diaz to be more transparent.

  • Anne Helene November 28, 2023 (8:35 pm)

    I stepped in dog poo three times this weekend. Saw two more piles I managed to not step in. Grateful! Westwood Village has two huge spaces available for lease. Lease one for a indoor dog run play area for rainy days and one for an indoor pickle ball court. Develop outdoor dog run area at Roxhill. Skate boarders said that would be ok with them. That Park could use a little love. Why was the Roxhill Park left off the list of possible OLA’s? Who donated the $140,000? Questions were not answered by the presenter as we all thought would happen. We were asked to write in questions. Why would you ask people for questions and then ignore them? sheesh. The zoom with parks was a one way mansplain. Boring ( lacking passion) and disappointing. The onscreen poll did not work for all to participate in. They dropped a hint that the first choice for an OLA ( the stadium) was no longer viable due to city “electrification” and I do not know what that means. I like change. More trees in Lincoln Park would be a change. Pull up the hard black top. That would be a change. Plant more native plants and prevent any more mud slides. Do more to prevent erosion. And stop stepping in poo. That would be a change .Be nice and stop calling people names and that includes abbreviations/acronyms. thank you.

    • CB November 28, 2023 (9:31 pm)

      All true and I completely agree. 

    • Raye November 29, 2023 (12:22 am)

      Thank you, Anne Helene. I agree 100%. It’s disgusting to think that Parks and Wreck has already almost certainly decided to go ahead, regardless of what the majority of West Seattle residents think. Mansplaining and patronizing AP Diaz just repeated his talking points, with no genuine interest in what we think. He must not have been a very good lawyer; he doesn’t listen! And the other guy with the monotonous voice clearly was out of his depth.

      • Alki resident November 29, 2023 (2:10 pm)

        The “ majority”? Where do you get your numbers? There are 5 million pickleball players in our country alone. There’s been quite a lot of the pickleball community speaking out in favor of the LP court. Not only that but now new players are coming on board since this started. Win win. 

      • Resident November 29, 2023 (3:23 pm)

        Yes, they have decided to go ahead.  This is not a conversation, and Park has made this very clear.  Just because they are building this doesn’t mean you are not being heard.  It means that this decision has been made, a large majority support it, and it is a VERY valuable use for the space.

  • Rhonda November 29, 2023 (12:40 am)

    Remember when we ALL came out to stop Parks from putting in a zip-line and aerial climbing course in Lincoln Park’s majestic trees? It’s too bad there’s not the same community outcry over these ridiculous pickleball courts.

    • Patty November 29, 2023 (8:11 am)

      It sounds like Parks didn’t have the public meeting because they don’t want to give the opportunity for people to be heard. Instead they had a carefully crafted and controlled Zoom meeting with a consultant moderating Chat. Almost 6 thousand people have signed the petition to preserve the park which can be found here: protectlincolnpark.com

    • Jackson K November 29, 2023 (11:35 am)

      Oh Rhonda. I teach pickleball. Can I interest you in a free 45 minute lesson? It’s not ridiculous, it’s exercise. In a park. 

    • JustSarah November 29, 2023 (12:06 pm)

      Reflect on your comment and you may find insight into this situation. Yes, there was a significant and strong opposition to the zipline plan because it put the trees and wildlife of the park at direct risk of harm for the benefit of a commercial enterprise. In contrast, the pickleball plan takes an existing piece of infrastructure intended for active recreation and restores it for use by the general public for free. 

    • Alki resident November 29, 2023 (1:25 pm)

      Rhonda “ community outcry”? You don’t speak for everyone. There’s plenty of people that’ll be happy to play pickleball at LP. 

  • This sucks November 29, 2023 (6:57 am)

    So much for a nice stroll in the woods. Now it will be ping ping ping followed by barking and the smell of dog poop. This is insanity. 

  • WSSubaruGuy November 29, 2023 (7:37 am)

    Seattle Subaru driver here…I’m against pickle ball. And don’t get me started on the price of gas. But I’m an environmentalist. For example, I bought my “Forrester” for the name, thankfully it’s not called the pickler. Nothing environmental about that plight on nature. I was considering the Tahoma, Sierra or Cherokee, because they make feel one with the natural environment. The commercials show my vehicle plowing through pristine environments like Lincoln Park, so birds, otters, runners and pickle ballers out of my way! 

  • Lincoln Park Nature Advocate November 29, 2023 (11:25 am)

    Excellent point, Rhonda!  NO PICKLEBALL in Lincoln Park!  Send money and time – and political clout – to preserving and caring for Lincoln Park wildlife and forest environment.

  • Facts Matter November 29, 2023 (2:19 pm)

    LP is zoned as a public park, including public recreational use. It is not zoned as a wildlife refuge. You’ll need to get zoning permits for use as a bird sanctuary. Someone will need to pay for the research to be done on that before allowed permit for updated zoning. It had better not be taxpayer funded! What a complete waste of time and resources for this debate, given all of the crime, homelessness, and other issues in WS. 

    • CB November 29, 2023 (3:15 pm)

      The operative word here is ‘public’, which means your opinion and what you think is ‘right’ is only one opinion. The park is a public one, for sure. And so we can all have a say in its use- or we thought so, until Parks rammed this down our throats.

  • Matty November 29, 2023 (3:44 pm)

    Pickleball for all I say! Yes to off leash (dog) area! The birds will be fine in the other 99.8% of the park as will the other awesome animals that live there (especially at night). It’s Parks and Recreation — not Parks and Evacuation…
    @Tracy — Can you please elaborate on your point: Diaz rhapsodized about Lincoln Park’s attributes…to Colman Pool (whose short season, he hinted, may be revisited)”.

    IMO Colman Pool is a huge gem, but the season is too short (barely 6 weeks) and the facilities are getting too old — Invest in Colman Pool! [Would love to see a year-round warmer kiddie pool for lessons and water aerobics].

  • JJ Zhang November 29, 2023 (4:28 pm)

    Yes!  Thank god the parks department wasn’t swayed by the ridiculously dramatic NIMBYs. We desperately need pickleball courts in Seattle (basically the home of the sport) and there will never be a perfect place to put them. This option is far better than anything else we have right now. I just hope they don’t put solely asphalt as that will be too hard on the joints. Hopefully they follow best practices for racket playing surfaces. Thank you SPR 🙏 

  • Erik November 29, 2023 (7:28 pm)

     If Seattle Parks managers have given any thought to reconsidering the plan for pickleball courts in Lincoln Park, it wasn’t on display during Monday night’s online meeting about that and other area projects.”. I would like to point out to the WSB that the point of the pause was not to “reconsider” the plan for putting the courts in. It was to evaluate the concerns of the bird advocates. Not the same thing, and exposed the potential bias in the journalists opinions.

  • Alki resident November 29, 2023 (7:39 pm)

    Why is SE Dick allowed on this forum with such a foul mouth? 

  • SE Dick. November 30, 2023 (2:18 pm)

    The state of the Union is: ‘In tatters’, when the obscenities perpetrated on reason and logic and the bodies of science and social history by so many in this public forum; the profanities passive-aggressively paraded as ‘sincerity’ and ‘community’ and ‘concern’ for anything but self-evident self-interest; the sneering insults supplanting relevant fact and knowledge and argument and consideration; the thinly-veiled trolling assaults on authentic courtesy or civility or any of their gestures… when all of those things pale or all attention is diverted (!) from them by feigned righteous indignation at suggested bad words and forcibly-restrained rage at resolute ignorance and the savagery it’s working on the natural world… it’s over.   ○   I’m okay, Yikes, probly just been watching longer or more closely or with a different heart than you.  And this will be my last aggression here, I promise.  Guaranteed.  Woulda liked to leave it at that emoji.  I’ll continue to follow (so do keep those torches lit) in case the more hopeful rainbow warriors here lay out any last-ditch plan to hold back the tsunamis of population and privilege; and I had to do this:  to make clear as a gd bell that Your Editor, who has restrained more verbal violence from me on your and others’ behalf, Alki, than you would fuc*ing believe, has now bent to no-one in re me, or likely anything else ever.  She’s tirelessly conscientiously consideredly read it all frm evryone and done what she’s done, ash-canned plenty, published what she deemed fit.  She won’t pause in that or be influenced or deterred for a single bark or bleat–and neither will I.  I’m just done w it.   ○   I’d been walking the asphalt around Seward yesterday when Yikes thot I oughta be touching grass, breathing air; I found myself by the picnic bench near the S end of the beach as a guy rounded the N end w a dog in general orbit and what turned out to be a ball launcher. He idled and wandered and circled way down there chatting on a headset–(‘there’s this guy…’)–for fully half an hour as I stood motionless and stared, gladly menacing and jamming up I’m sure his regular routine. Finally he slowly gave (the body language had been exquisite) and they drifted unleashed in sort of tandem, ball launcher under arm, on up to the asphalt road… nonchalantly across it… and slowly up the path, into our doomed remnant of a forest. I sat down on the bench, looked across the water.  Laughed.  So it goes.

    • win! November 30, 2023 (7:30 pm)

      I’m the one standing and staring and you’re the guy with ball launcher and dog, right?  So it goes.

  • Midnight60 December 8, 2023 (5:37 pm)

    It was nice to read the Seattle Parks will be moving forward with the project. The majority of the over 70,000 residents of West Seattle will be pleased the previously used tennis courts will be  converted into something useful and with little to no impact on our wildlife, win win! Let’s move forward to the many other deeply important issues in our community.  Happy Holidays everyone .

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