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March 31, 2012 at 5:43 pm #602725
JVMemberIn a post yesterday, I typed a sentence that some of our fellow readers/poster laughed at, called me crazy, and told me to take my head out of the sand.
I said,
“America is the least racist country in the history of the world.”
And I stand by that statement. Am I aware that racism exists in America? Yes, it exists everywhere.
Are there many terrible, miserable, racist people of all nationalities who live in America? Yes, lots of them.
But still, one of the founding principles of America is “E Pluribus Unum” (From Many, One). Which says, “America welcomes you, regardless of your race, nationality or religion, and as long as you’d like to become an American and join us in this melting pot, we’d love to have you.”
That is America. Yes we have fellow American citizens who fall short of that goal, and equally despicable Americans who make a good living off of hilighting and manipulating those shortcomings.
So these replies can go one of two ways; 1-they can point out all of the ways that people fall short of that goal, or 2-they can appreciate the fact that so many races, religions, and backgrounds have come together to make such a diverse country, and marvel that despite all of our differences, there is relatively little racism in America.
March 31, 2012 at 5:49 pm #753390
dobroParticipantSo we must assume you’ve never heard of slavery, the Dred Scott decision, Jim Crow laws, the 3/5ths of a man doctrine. Or the Civil War.
And thanks for limiting the discussion to your 2 approved reactions so as to not cause any thinking beyond your arbitrary boundaries. It highlights the lack of seriousness in your posting.
March 31, 2012 at 6:04 pm #753391
DFWParticipantLibel is written, slander is spoken. (I am an editor.)
March 31, 2012 at 6:30 pm #753392
JoBParticipantJV
perhaps you should take a look a the percentage of white voters from Alabama who voted for President Obama in 2008…
The only perspective from which America seems the least racist country in the world is that from the perspective of those who have never been a minority anywhere.
Experiencing being a minority is one of the many ways in which travel really does broaden the mind.
March 31, 2012 at 6:39 pm #753393
SmittyParticipant“perhaps you should take a look a the percentage of white voters from Alabama who voted for President Obama in 2008…”
Any bets that the percentage of black voters who voted for McCain was lower? Anyone? Anyone?
I tend to believe that those black voters voted for Obama for his policies. Why can’t you say the same about white voters? Oh yeah, “what’s the matter with Kansas”. So, so typical.
To JVs point – do some reading. There has been slavery throughout history LONG before we even became a country. White-white, black-black, white-black, you name it.
March 31, 2012 at 7:00 pm #753394
JoBParticipantSmitty…
According to Wikpedia
in 2005 a little over 70% of Alabama’s population identified themselves as white
In 2004 19% of those voters pulled the lever for John Kerry
In 2008 only 10% did so.
this would seem to indicate more than political differences with candidate Obama.
“The South, in particular, stands out as a region where whites and blacks voted differently. In what is likely another indication of black voters’ incredible enthusiasm for Obama, several Southern states experienced record turnout. For example, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina all posted new turnout records despite their lack of attention from the candidates. However, Obama received strikingly low support from white voters in those same states – lower even than John Kerry received in 2004. According to exit polls, just 10 percent of whites in Alabama pulled the lever for Obama, for example.”
http://www.thedefendersonline.com/2008/12/23/race-still-mattered-in-the-2008-election/
You might want to follow that link to read the entire article.
it’s all pertinent to this discussion.
March 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm #753395
SmittyParticipant2004 vs 2008? Apple and oranges but fine:
11% of African Americans voted for Bush in 2004. 5% voted for McCain in 2008. A 50% change.
This would sam to indicate more than political differences with candidate Obama.
See? It really does work both ways.
March 31, 2012 at 7:14 pm #753396
dobroParticipant“Thanks Dobro, I figred you’d be here to disagree.”
Mind reading and seeing the future are now acknowledged as among your many talents.
“Please continue with your proctologist’s view of America, (option #1) or feel free to take it in any direction you’d like.”
Thanks for your arrogant evaluation and permission to disagree, now amended to your prior restrictions on content.
“I’ll be back later to correct you.”
I can’t wait. Since all the events I mentioned are unarguably factual I’ll be curious to see your corrections. Try to include something to back them up besides your baseless assertions.
“To JVs point – do some reading. There has been slavery throughout history LONG before we even became a country. White-white, black-black, white-black, you name it.”
JV’s assertion was..
“America is the least racist country in the history of the world.”
The fact that slavery existed before America doesn’t negate or diminish the place of slavery in American history. logic fail.
March 31, 2012 at 7:27 pm #753397
kootchmanMemberYou would feel right at home in any number of tribal or ethnocentric cultures who perpetuate and find identity in timeless conflict. Jim Crow is gone, Dred Scott overturned, and while not perfect our progress is still the best in the world. Smitty calls this one correctly. We are not dispatching the Coast Guard to net the bodies of hundreds of thousands of Jew, Christians, liberals, hacked to pieces with machetes and thrown into the water. The only perspective in which American does not appear the least racist… is one who has not traveled anywhere. Not Serbia, Rwanda, France, Maylasia, China, … indeed. The left is in a panic. More states are going “red”.. the cache and slogans of the left have lost their attraction. The old guard of the left is frustrated.. their catechism is being roundly rejected. Conservatives roll their eyes… and shake their heads… “there they go again”. As I read it..Smitty posted in the present tense, he did not argue or assert slavery and Jim Crow never existed.
March 31, 2012 at 7:34 pm #753398
dobroParticipant“You would feel right at home in any number of tribal or ethnocentric cultures who perpetuate and find identity in timeless conflict”
The joint is filled with mind readers today. In polite and focused discussions, speakers make assertions and back them up with factual citations and refrain from injecting their baseless opinions about what other speakers think or beleive.
March 31, 2012 at 7:42 pm #753399
Spring ChickenMemberCanada is better.
March 31, 2012 at 7:57 pm #753400
kootchmanMemberImmigration would disagree. But do vote with your feet as so many professional Canadians do.
Emigration from Canada to the United States from 2000 to 2006
By Patrice Dion and Mireille Vézina
July 13, 2010
In the late 1990s, studies showed that a growing number of the most qualified Canadian workers were leaving Canada to work in the United States. This article looks at whether this trend has continued in recent years. Using a relatively new data source, the American Community Survey (ACS), this article examines Canadian emigration to the United States. More specifically, it examines demographic and socio-economic characteristics of those who migrate to the United States. Annual earnings are significantly higher for all individuals who relocated to the United States. Moreover, these differences are most salient among undergraduate engineers and computer scientists. Annual earnings are significantly higher for all individuals who relocated to the United States. Moreover, these differences are most salient among undergraduate engineers and computer scientists.
(short version.. we get the ambitious, motivated, educated who earn appreciably more than their Canadian peers)
HTML version
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11-008-x/2010002/article/11287-eng.htm
March 31, 2012 at 8:09 pm #753401
dhgParticipantLeast rascist in the world, ever? Hard one to call but I’d lean towards the French who, when they leave colonies, tend to remain on friendly terms. The British and Spanish were usually booted out. Exceptions abound, of course but the French just seem better at integrating with foreign groups.
JV: looking for some satisfying chest thumping? How about: most innovative country in the world.
March 31, 2012 at 8:20 pm #753402
Spring ChickenMemberlol kootch, you’re off topic again, this thread is about RACISM.
Canada is (still) better.
March 31, 2012 at 8:35 pm #753403
kootchmanMemberdhg? Are friggin kidding me!!?? Algiers, French Indochina? Did you watch the news the last three years? France was aflame in ethnic riots in 2005 over 280 cities were aflame for over three weeks,,…France with the anti-hajib rules for public schools. That France? That was a stretch ..! No colonial power has a more miserable record of leaving their empire states resourceless and impoverished. Haiti? Sudan? Senegal? Any of these ring a bell?
March 31, 2012 at 9:02 pm #753404
redblackParticipantlet me start out by making a similarly ridiculous claim:
france is the least racist country in the history of the world.
there. prove me wrong.
in other words, there’s no way to prove or disprove your premise, JV. no way whatsoever.
now, i grew up in indiana, and i went to school in a small exurb of indianapolis. and i have to honestly say that that was one of the most homogeneously white and thoroughly xenophobic places on earth. i went to school with unabashed klansmen who would regularly go to the larger towns just to mess with black people. and they bragged about it.
at the time, indianapolis was approaching a 40% black population, but there were still plenty of white-on-black and black-on-white crimes, perpetuated by nothing more than skin color.
but you can cull any statistics you want and make all of the generalizations you want – someone will come along with anecdotal evidence that you’re right. or wrong.
this is a silly discussion.
March 31, 2012 at 9:54 pm #753405
kootchmanMemberMarch 31, 2012 at 10:12 pm #753406
JanSParticipantkootchman…what the hell does that have to do with racism? you know, the topic of this thread?
March 31, 2012 at 11:33 pm #753407
kootchmanMemberOh…. I thought racism was the heart every problem we have… actually, I had two posts open ,, wrong topic thread.
March 31, 2012 at 11:48 pm #753408
kootchmanMemberit’s posted in the right thread.
April 1, 2012 at 3:42 am #753409
dhgParticipantTopic posed: can we all agree that the u.s. is the least racist country in the history of the world? The economic policies of the colonialists don’t play into this. When I think of the French, I think of a country that assimilated rather than creating picket fence settlements. Perhaps I’m just confusing history with South Pacific. (the Frenchman was pretty well integrated)
There is the suggestion of smugness and self-satisfaction that comes with thinking we are the least racist in the history of the world. As if we need not be concerned about a killing like Trayvon. But in fact, JV, since we can find stories of racism in America just about every day, arent we obliged, like the old ladies in the Junction, to disavow our citizenship just as they must separate themselves from the occupiers?
April 1, 2012 at 5:30 am #753410
HMC RichParticipantWhy don’t we just mellow out a bit. For those of you with a Green Card, I suggest you take your medicine.
Time to rent Blazing Saddles. Although extremely humorous for a variety of reasons, it actually shows how much we have changed towards race.
Our county name was changed to Martin Luther King County. Why, because he was a great man with a great message and moral integrity. That wouldn’t have happened in the not so distant past.
We should pat ourselves on the back for the positive changes that have been made. But we should not let political correctness or arrogance stop us from reaching a better future.
Lets not kid ourselves, there is plenty of racism but it is fairly manageable. This is not Serbia and Croatia. This is not Lebanon. This is not South Africa. It is America and the pieces are in place to be a less racist society if people choose to do so.
April 1, 2012 at 5:48 am #753411
JoBParticipantonce again
could i suggest actually reading this link
http://www.thedefendersonline.com/2008/12/23/race-still-mattered-in-the-2008-election/
Is not is not is not a valid argument.
April 1, 2012 at 6:48 am #753412
kootchmanMemberI want to watch Keith Obermann… I hear he is doing a puppet showin a basement for kids on a public access channel… does anyone know where? We need his insight and journalistic acumen to settle this. All 177.000 viewers in his prime slot… I think Rachel Madcow has a tad more at 210,00 viewers. Well he did beat Namcy Grace. In fact FOX beat every other news show in every time slot. Catholics, who are 38 per cent of the voting population, now favor Romney by 14 points over Obama… because he declared a leftist intifada … a whopping shift. They will do so because he declared an all out war on faith and has shown great contempt for the church. Are they racists now? No. The are trending to the candidate that best reflects their values and interests. If these number hold.. he cannot win, Catholics populate the swing states. If he loses 14 points, and it appears he is… the election of 2012 will be settled by Catholic voters.
I guess white voters in Alabama who are anti-abortion, conservative christians… don’t think Obama reflects their values or their interests. I would expect he gets even less in 2012… because he confirmed their suspicions. But, it balances out..95 per cent of blacks think he represents their interests.. The game is in the middle..and with Catholics..and the “Buffet Rule” has no traction there.. The question is does he govern as a centrist and do independents trust him with a second term? The polls say no.
65 percent of likely Catholic voters told Rasmussen they disapproved of the administration’s bid to force religious employers to cover contraceptives and sterilization in their health plans. Nine months before the nation’s next presidential election, Catholic voters’ overall dissatisfaction with President Obama has reached nearly the same levels found among Evangelical Christians. The War on Women morphed into the Assault on Catholics and Religion.
April 1, 2012 at 2:29 pm #753413
dhgParticipantThe polls I see show that the centrist Obama is ahead
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html
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